General (Non-Wiz) Draft Discussion

[ZonkertheBrainless]

I'd take Redd, but he's probably making too much.

[Knicksick]

Just a thought:

Maybe EG is floating Curry's name in an attempt to get New York to trde up to get him. There are a bunch of rumors that New York likes him at #8. Let's say we end up with the 4th pick:

Etan + James + Pecherov + #4 for Hughes + #8?

It saves us about $2M ($4M after luxtax considerations) and gets us a competent combo guard. The guys EG actually likes (Evans? Harden? Lawson?) will probably be around at #8.

New York sacrifices no 2010 cap space and moves up 4 slots in the draft.[/quote][/quote]



I think this is a fair trade for both sides. Hughes played decent ball for us and good defense but I'm still kinda hoping we can move up and snatch Harden or Hill.

[ZonkertheBrainless]

I'd take Redd, but he's probably making too much.

Ugh, he's making $17 mil next year and has a player option for $18 mil after that.

[nate33]

If we're looking for a no-D deadeye shooter at the SG position, I'd draft Curry and pay him $2.7M rather than trade for Redd and pay him $17M.

Indeed, all of our problems would be solved if Curry ends up measuring out at about 6-3 barefoot. If he grows that extra inch, he'd have SG size.

[Severn Hoos]

I've been on the Darren Collison bus for two years now, and I'm not jumping off now. I think he'll be a perfect backup PG in the NBA. Great quickness, excellent shooting, pesky defender. Ironically, the fact that he doesn't really project to a potential starter is a plus, IMO. Other teams will pass because he's too small or because they're enamored with the "potential" of other PGs. But Collison strikes me as the kind of guy who would know and accept his role without sulking or clamoring for minutes.

Backup PG is an interesting slot to fill. Not quite like backup QB in football, but close in that it's much harder to play the starter & backup at PG together than it is for any other position. Which means that they typical backup plays somewhere around 10-15 minutes per game. But also needs to be able to step in as a starter on a moment's notice. Not many people have the skillset to do that, and fewer still have the mental/emotional makeup to handle it well.

So give me a guy who can do a few things very well (shoot, push the ball, pester opposing PGs), even with other limitations, and I am much happier to fill that backup PG slot than even with a guy with more "potential" (i.e., Critt). And don't forget - Collison is actually older (read: more mature) than Crittenton.

I strongly suspect that Collison will be a 2nd round pick. Hopefully, we'll still have our pick, and bring DC to DC.

[fugop]

I'm not sure how I feel about this, but people should keep Earl Clark on the radar. He'll probably measure out extremely well -- I'd guess at about 6'8" w/o shoes, and with a solid 9' reach. The notion of playing him at the 3 will appeal to a lot of teams, including EG, based on his track record.

I suspect that Clark could defend the three pretty well; he's not exactly Tayshaun Prince quick, but it stronger and more physical. I just don't know that he has the mental acumen to play the position well on offense, and I'm not comfortable with a Young-Clark-Blatche collection of stooges.

[durka]

How about Stevenson and the 5 for a S&T Marion and the 9?

[doclinkin]

I've been on the Darren Collison bus for two years now, and I'm not jumping off now. I think he'll be a perfect backup PG in the NBA. Great quickness, excellent shooting, pesky defender. Ironically, the fact that he doesn't really project to a potential starter is a plus, IMO. Other teams will pass because he's too small or because they're enamored with the "potential" of other PGs. But Collison strikes me as the kind of guy who would know and accept his role without sulking or clamoring for minutes.

Backup PG is an interesting slot to fill. Not quite like backup QB in football, but close in that it's much harder to play the starter & backup at PG together than it is for any other position. Which means that they typical backup plays somewhere around 10-15 minutes per game. But also needs to be able to step in as a starter on a moment's notice. Not many people have the skillset to do that, and fewer still have the mental/emotional makeup to handle it well.

So give me a guy who can do a few things very well (shoot, push the ball, pester opposing PGs), even with other limitations, and I am much happier to fill that backup PG slot than even with a guy with more "potential" (i.e., Critt). And don't forget - Collison is actually older (read: more mature) than Crittenton.

I strongly suspect that Collison will be a 2nd round pick. Hopefully, we'll still have our pick, and bring DC to DC.

Agreed on all counts, he'll be a solid pick for whomever lands him. He'd step right in to the Antonio Daniels role. Only with better shooting.

[Rafael122]

Check out that wiretap article. Ernie basically says the same thing in 5 different ways.

[Ruzious]

I've been on the Darren Collison bus for two years now, and I'm not jumping off now. I think he'll be a perfect backup PG in the NBA. Great quickness, excellent shooting, pesky defender. Ironically, the fact that he doesn't really project to a potential starter is a plus, IMO. Other teams will pass because he's too small or because they're enamored with the "potential" of other PGs. But Collison strikes me as the kind of guy who would know and accept his role without sulking or clamoring for minutes.

Backup PG is an interesting slot to fill. Not quite like backup QB in football, but close in that it's much harder to play the starter & backup at PG together than it is for any other position. Which means that they typical backup plays somewhere around 10-15 minutes per game. But also needs to be able to step in as a starter on a moment's notice. Not many people have the skillset to do that, and fewer still have the mental/emotional makeup to handle it well.

So give me a guy who can do a few things very well (shoot, push the ball, pester opposing PGs), even with other limitations, and I am much happier to fill that backup PG slot than even with a guy with more "potential" (i.e., Critt). And don't forget - Collison is actually older (read: more mature) than Crittenton.

I strongly suspect that Collison will be a 2nd round pick. Hopefully, we'll still have our pick, and bring DC to DC.

Interesting, Sev. Now that you mention it, with all the PGs in this draft, he could be a guy who slips. He'd be an outstanding backup PG - probably not physically sturdy enough to be a big minutes player - but to have a guy with his quicks, shooting ability, and smarts at backup PG would be a step up - and a great 2nd round pick.

[Dat2U]

How about Stevenson and the 5 for a S&T Marion and the 9?

You can't work a S&T until after the Free Agency period begins in July. The draft is in June 25th. So this isn't possible. Even so, Marion looked old and played like crap for most of last year. He's also not a good fit on our roster with Jamison & Butler already manning the F spots. The Wizards pass.

[Zerocious]

how is this thread different from CCJ's thread about the5th pick? merge!

[LyricalRico]

how is this thread different from CCJ's thread about the5th pick? merge!

I think we still need a thread for general draft discussion. Folks just need to concentrate their Wiz-specific talk to the other thread. I'll re-name it and see if that helps.

[Rafael122]

Just got this off rotoworld.com:

Ricky Rubio could pull out of the NBA draft because he has no interest in playing for Memphis or Oklahoma City, according to an NBA source.
"He’ll pull out if he doesn’t like what he’s hearing," the source said.

I mentioned this possibility yesterday, his buyout coupled by the fact that teams ahead of us might not need a point guard could mean Rubio falls to us. This is VERY interesting and something to monitor. Of course the Kings could mess it up and pick him but still.

[verbal8]

If the Kings picked Rubio, they should trade him to us to make up for the CWebb/Mitch Richmond debacle.

[LyricalRico]

Would Miami trade Beasley for Rubio? Having a blue chip PG would take a lot of pressure off Wade and Chalmers would go from being a serviceable starter to a terrific backup. MEM would fill their need for a PF of the future.

[miller31time]

Would Miami trade Beasley for Rubio? Having a blue chip PG would take a lot of pressure off Wade and Chalmers would go from being a serviceable starter to a terrific backup. MEM would fill their need for a PF of the future.

I don't know how much Miami needs a great point guard considering how much Wade needs the ball to be effective. All they really need out of their point guard is competency and 3pt shooting ability.

Just my 2 cents, though.

[LyricalRico]

Calathes, the state's two-time "Mr. Basketball" from Lake Howell , agreed to terms Friday to play for powerful Panathinaikos , the reigning Euroleague Basketball champion club based in Greece, according to sources close to the former Gators playmaker.

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The deal, sources said, will pay Calathes around $1.1 million per year, in addition to providing him with a home, car and tax credits, making for a total package commensurate to what the NBA rookie salary scale provides a late-lottery selection.

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NBA teams still may select Calathes in the June 25 draft and would retain his future rights. The contract with Panathinaikos is believed to have a buyout option, as well.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/o ... 1197.story

Even after this news broke about 2 weeks ago, DX still has Calathes going in the first round. Not sure if that's realistic since he's essentially a Euro now. If he slides to the second round, I wouldn't mind taking him at #33 and waiting for a couple years before I try to bring him over.

[closg00]

Calathes, the state's two-time "Mr. Basketball" from Lake Howell , agreed to terms Friday to play for powerful Panathinaikos , the reigning Euroleague Basketball champion club based in Greece, according to sources close to the former Gators playmaker.

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The deal, sources said, will pay Calathes around $1.1 million per year, in addition to providing him with a home, car and tax credits, making for a total package commensurate to what the NBA rookie salary scale provides a late-lottery selection.

<snip>

NBA teams still may select Calathes in the June 25 draft and would retain his future rights. The contract with Panathinaikos is believed to have a buyout option, as well.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/o ... 1197.story

Even after this news broke about 2 weeks ago, DX still has Calathes going in the first round. Not sure if that's realistic since he's essentially a Euro now. If he slides to the second round, I wouldn't mind taking him at #33 and waiting for a couple years before I try to bring him over.

Blazers would be good candidates to select Calathes, they've got plenty of picks. In-fact you can place your bets now that it will be Portland that will select him.

[nate33]

If we don't end up making a trade this offseason, we won't have a roster spot for the 2nd rounder anyway. Calathes would be perfect as a guy to draft and stockpile overseas. In 2 years when our cap situation clears up, we can offer him a portion of the MLE to convince him to break from his Euro contract.