Lather me with blather -- DRAFT thread 4

[Jay81]

whoever we are considering taking at 6....we shouldnt take at 6

[omegatronic3]

Mike Prada breaks down a good argument on Bullets Forever about why he’d trade JaVale McGee for the No. 2 pick (Derrick Williams) straight up. I previously made a simple argument of why I wouldn’t do it, but certainly wouldn’t complain if it happened. However, from what I hear, such a deal was never really considered seriously, or even “on the table,” because when conversations headed in that direction, the Wizards were turned away at the door. Indications are that Minnesota has been fielding some very creative and interesting offers for the second pick — which make the rumor of the T-Wolves sending Johnny Flynn and the No. 2 to Toronto for DeMar DeRozan and the No. 5 laughable. Nonetheless, lotta days until draft time, folks, so plenty of time for more rumors to float, and plenty of time for David Kahn to play hardball.

http://www.truthaboutit.net/2011/06/sha ... more-16021

Wow, that makes it sound like we approached the Wolves about McGee and were rebuffed immediately. Everything with a grain of salt this year I guess. I'm also guessing that a lot of what we're hearing is out of the Timberwolve's camp trying to increase the value of the pick. Still, sounds like a trade is unlikely.

Minnesota would have to be Morons to do this unless it involved our #6 pick. Even then why do this when they can just draft Kanter.

I like Mcgee but along side Blache they're two dumb players. Blache next to Haywood was good because heywood knew what he was doing.

Having said that both are good talents..just dont know if they should start next to each other

[Illuminaire]

I tend to think Minnie would have their frontline set if they acquired McGee. Love is a fundamental defender/rebounder who lacks athleticism. McGee is a high-flying shot-blocker who lacks fundamentals. They're practically a match made in heaven.

Kanter isn't such a good fit with Love. They're both earth-bound rebounders with offensive savvy. They could score points, but I don't see how they defend athletic teams or prevent drives into the paint.

It's just my opinion, but throwing in the six seems like a panic move. The talent difference isn't that great between Williams and McGee. Kanter isn't a good fit for Minnie either. We could overpay here, but it would be just that... overpaying. *shrug*

[WizarDynasty]

Mcgee showed tremendous defensive iq improvement toward end of the season. Many of u clearly stopped paying attention based on some these comments I keep reading.

[Scabs304]

If we were giving up anything more than McGee for the 2nd pick I would be upset. I like Williams believe he has the athletism to play the 3 which makes him better than Jamison since he should be able to play and defend the 3. I think this years draft is one where you might not want 3 first round picks IMO. I much rather have a first next year for Blatche if we are trading a front court player.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

I'm torn on Mcgee. He makes such amazing plays at times, but has such poor fundamentals and mentality. If we got Williams at 2 AND Kanter at 6, that would be a major renovation!

For a weak draft, there are alot of players I really like. Most of which are projected late... N.Smith, Parsons, Thompkins, Hansbrough, Tyler, Harper, Faried, Vucevic, Holiday... I'd love to pick up a couple more late 1st/early 2nds.

[montestewart]

Mcgee showed tremendous defensive iq improvement toward end of the season. Many of u clearly stopped paying attention based on some these comments I keep reading.

I would need to see that over a more sustained period of time, but I agree that McGee was getting better at not being caught out of position, not biting at fakes, not picking up silly multiple fouls early, and generally trying to hold his ground and cover his man. On offense, I saw signs of him seeing the worth of playing the decoy to open up lanes (maybe that was an illusion, but it seemed that way).

To me, the end of McGee's season showed progress from the beginning. I could see McGee straight up for the #2 and maybe a 2nd, but no significant additional assets. It's not so much overrating McGee (again, I'm not fully convinced about him) as it is not trusting this draft. Williams may turn out to be good, but he may turn out to be less than Beasley.

[sfam]

I'm torn on Mcgee. He makes such amazing plays at times, but has such poor fundamentals and mentality. If we got Williams at 2 AND Kanter at 6, that would be a major renovation!

For a weak draft, there are alot of players I really like. Most of which are projected late... N.Smith, Parsons, Thompkins, Hansbrough, Tyler, Harper, Faried, Vucevic, Holiday... I'd love to pick up a couple more late 1st/early 2nds.

I'd be just fine in trading down to get another 1st. This gives us yet another chance to pick a diamond in the rough. Would prefer WIlliams, but that may not be realistic given what teams may be asking for.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Uh, back to draft for a moment:

MarShon Brooks. I like that his mom is a WNBA referee. Distinct from McGee's momma who ought to have taught him how to rebound but instead filled his head that he's gonna be a superstar, a referee for a mom is bound to be a stickler for fundamentals and details and two-way play.

Okay now back to your regularly scheduled episodes of "Everybody Loves Snatch".

doc, Brooks is IMO a surer bet even than Faried to be an impact player at the next level.

Rebounds, points, big-time outbursts of scoring ... and a guy that's flying below radar for whatever reasons. He should be a lotto pick for sure IMO.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I tend to think Minnie would have their frontline set if they acquired McGee. Love is a fundamental defender/rebounder who lacks athleticism. McGee is a high-flying shot-blocker who lacks fundamentals. They're practically a match made in heaven.

Kanter isn't such a good fit with Love. They're both earth-bound rebounders with offensive savvy. They could score points, but I don't see how they defend athletic teams or prevent drives into the paint.

It's just my opinion, but throwing in the six seems like a panic move. The talent difference isn't that great between Williams and McGee. Kanter isn't a good fit for Minnie either. We could overpay here, but it would be just that... overpaying. *shrug*

McGee came away from Team USA tryouts making comments about rebounding like Kevin Love. Javale improved his rebounding. All Love needs is a guy like McGee--a strong weak-side shot blocker and more importantly, a C that can finish around the basket, to compensate for any weakness the Wolves have.

Williams for McGee straight up, or Williams for McGee and the #18 are as high as the Wizards should go--even then they're helping the Wolves MORE than they're getting helped.

Washington needs to trade Blatche. Not McGee.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

If we were giving up anything more than McGee for the 2nd pick I would be upset. I like Williams believe he has the athletism to play the 3 which makes him better than Jamison since he should be able to play and defend the 3. I think this years draft is one where you might not want 3 first round picks IMO. I much rather have a first next year for Blatche if we are trading a front court player.

+1

[dobrojim]

Uh, back to draft for a moment:

MarShon Brooks. I like that his mom is a WNBA referee. Distinct from McGee's momma who ought to have taught him how to rebound but instead filled his head that he's gonna be a superstar, a referee for a mom is bound to be a stickler for fundamentals and details and two-way play.

Okay now back to your regularly scheduled episodes of "Everybody Loves Snatch".

doc, Brooks is IMO a surer bet even than Faried to be an impact player at the next level.

Rebounds, points, big-time outbursts of scoring ... and a guy that's flying below radar for whatever reasons. He should be a lotto pick for sure IMO.

He does sound interesting. I didn't realize he had the huge scoring outbursts
against quality teams in the Big East. That sounds to me like it oughta be top 10
material right there. Good size, does other things besides score.

[doclinkin]

He does sound interesting. I didn't realize he had the huge scoring outbursts
against quality teams in the Big East. That sounds to me like it oughta be top 10
material right there. Good size, does other things besides score.

He's a ball watcher and poacher though. Has some bad habits. Doesn't play a team game right now, plays a one-man-team game, trying to do everything all the time. He'll need to learn to play off the ball better, at both ends. Fortunately in interviews he comes off as somewhat self-aware. He may adjust.

I need to run the metas...

[sfam]

While I'm all about a straight up McGee for Williams, if we somehow can come away with Kanter, I really would like to keep McGee. For the same reason many of said that Love and McGee would be great, I really think McGee and Kanter would be a great pairing. Would love it if we find a way to do this. Unfortunately I'm not seeing it.

[theboomking]

I probably know how this will play, but I've been looking over at the Wolve's board, and someone posted the following offer:

2 + 20 + Flynn

for

McGee + Crawford + unprotected 1st (2012)

If we pulled that trade, we would be down a chucker and an all work athlete/knucklehead, and we wouldn't have a pick next year. We would however have a dynamic duo of Wall and Williams, the #6 overall pick, and role players in Booker, Young, Seraphin, and the #18 and #20 picks.

[sfam]

I probably know how this will play, but I've been looking over at the Wolve's board, and someone posted the following offer:

2 + 20 + Flynn

for

McGee + Crawford + unprotected 1st (2012)

If we pulled that trade, we would be down a chucker and an all work athlete/knucklehead, and we wouldn't have a pick next year. We would however have a dynamic duo of Wall and Williams, the #6 overall pick, and role players in Booker, Young, Seraphin, and the #18 and #20 picks.

That's way too much. McGee should be worth the #2, but then we're in essence looking at an unprotected 1st for the #20, and then flipping Flynn for Crawford. Definitely bad deal.

[Terpman]

I probably know how this will play, but I've been looking over at the Wolve's board, and someone posted the following offer:

2 + 20 + Flynn

for

McGee + Crawford + unprotected 1st (2012)

If we pulled that trade, we would be down a chucker and an all work athlete/knucklehead, and we wouldn't have a pick next year. We would however have a dynamic duo of Wall and Williams, the #6 overall pick, and role players in Booker, Young, Seraphin, and the #18 and #20 picks.

That offer is garbage.

[TGW]

I probably know how this will play, but I've been looking over at the Wolve's board, and someone posted the following offer:

2 + 20 + Flynn

for

McGee + Crawford + unprotected 1st (2012)

If we pulled that trade, we would be down a chucker and an all work athlete/knucklehead, and we wouldn't have a pick next year. We would however have a dynamic duo of Wall and Williams, the #6 overall pick, and role players in Booker, Young, Seraphin, and the #18 and #20 picks.

That's an even easier no than including the #6 this year. The #20 and Flynn is just pure filler. Flynn is terrible and not worth more than a late first rounder at best.

Horrid.

[Duffy]

I probably know how this will play, but I've been looking over at the Wolve's board, and someone posted the following offer:

2 + 20 + Flynn

for

McGee + Crawford + unprotected 1st (2012)

If we pulled that trade, we would be down a chucker and an all work athlete/knucklehead, and we wouldn't have a pick next year. We would however have a dynamic duo of Wall and Williams, the #6 overall pick, and role players in Booker, Young, Seraphin, and the #18 and #20 picks.

That offer is garbage.

Started to write about how I liked the deal, then my brain caught up with me. Yeah, it's pretty bad.

[7-Day Dray]

I probably know how this will play, but I've been looking over at the Wolve's board, and someone posted the following offer:

2 + 20 + Flynn

for

McGee + Crawford + unprotected 1st (2012)

If we pulled that trade, we would be down a chucker and an all work athlete/knucklehead, and we wouldn't have a pick next year. We would however have a dynamic duo of Wall and Williams, the #6 overall pick, and role players in Booker, Young, Seraphin, and the #18 and #20 picks.