Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VI

[SUPERBALLMAN]

This has probably been posted, but http://www.canishoopus.com/2013/6/3/439 ... arter-bust has this Bust or Star Model that has Porter rated at the top.

It has Otto Porter with a 9% chance of being a bust, an 18% chance of being a bench player, 52% chance of being a starter, and a 21% chance of becoming a star player in the NBA.

[hands11]

God I can't wait for the draft to get here or for there to be some new news so we have something fresh to talk about.

Tuesday, June 4th – at 10:30 am at Verizon Center.

Malcolm Armstead | G | Wichita State | 6'0, 205 lbs
Demetrius Conger | F | St. Bonaventure | 6'6, 205 lbs
Ramon Galloway | G | LaSalle | 6'3, 180 lbs
Jamelle Hagins | F | Delaware | 6'9, 235 lbs
Romero Osby | F | Oklahoma | 6'8, 232 lbs
Tray Woodall | G | Pittsburgh | 6'0, 190 lbs


Wednesday, June 5th – at 12:30 pm at Verizon Center.

Will Clyburn | F | Iowa St | 6'7, 210 lbs
Elijah Johnson | G | Kansas | 6'4, 195 lbs
Nick Minnerath | F | Detroit | 6'9, 215 lbs
Peyton Siva | G | Louisville | 6'0, 185 lbs
Adonis Thomas | F | Memphis | 6'7, 240 lbs
Christian Watford | F | Indiana | 6'9, 232 lbs

I haven't even heard of most of these. Any of them particularly noteworthy?

I started to look them up..

Molcolm looked kind of interesting.

Malcolm Armstead | G | Wichita State | 6'0, 205 lbs

Interview. Wichita State's Malcolm Armstead Talks Final Four vs. Louisville 4-5-2013 - Seems mature
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0suIUXkSj-8

Dick Vitale talking about Malcolm Armstead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4dyYk0bcms

Wichita State's Final Four Run - 2 man panel break it down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJom0QHU2Zs

Louisville vs Wichita St 2013 Final Four (FULL GAME) with Dieng also
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6GyT0kZ6G8

Maybe other can pick in and look up a player and posts some information.

[gambitx777]

Romero Osby reminds me a lot of Paul millsap when he was in college.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

I am interested in seeing what trades are to be had, but just at 3 and 38, I really like the look of Porter and Erik Murphy (currently 43rd on the DX mock) as a plausible, possible, probable draft.

Porter just seems to embody everything the Wizards organization has been striving for since the Gilbert fiasco. A hard working, level headed, humble and hungry, defensive minded, team oriented leader. Add to that he's a local player that will drum up fan interest.

Then Erik Murphy at 38 is a prototypical stretch 4, perhaps more than anyone in the draft. 6-10, 240, 45% 3-pt. Former teammate of Beal at Florida to boot.

[hands11]

This has probably been posted, but http://www.canishoopus.com/2013/6/3/439 ... arter-bust has this Bust or Star Model that has Porter rated at the top.

It has Otto Porter with a 9% chance of being a bust, an 18% chance of being a bench player, 52% chance of being a starter, and a 21% chance of becoming a star player in the NBA.

Brilliant analysis..

Well except he doesn't mention Noel won't be doing any of that for a while.

He has Otto and Burke as the two top rank for potential stars, which is part of what I said they should go top 3 as franchise players. VO is rank top 4.. Check.

Nice to see two of my sleepers, Muscala ranking so well and Pierre is on the is 15th is column 2

Most notable are the Len numbers. Not sure I agree there. I don't see a 45% bust.

And he slammed CCJ Mr Wolters 42% Bust. Well he has a mixed bag on his is you look at it all.

Wow, CJMs closest comparison was Damian Lillard. But oddly he also has Wolters matched to Lillard.
Zeller was Brad Daugherty
Pierre was Isaiah Thomas
Burke was Ty Lawson

Well those were the best cases I believe.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

I was listening this afternoon to the Sportsfix, and someone was talking about Art Monk, and I thought, that is who Porter is like. Monk wasn't the fastest or the greatest athlete, but he got it done. He was great, because he knew how to play. And he played with class.

[montestewart]

Romero Osby reminds me a lot of Paul millsap when he was in college.

If the Wizards pass on Bennett but still want to check out an undersized PF with some range (hit the 3 well throughout college, in limited attempts) to go with tough inside game, maybe Romero Osby on the cheap with the late 2nd or as a FA. Also, he has a wife and kid, so pretty likely to be in the well behaved category.

Interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn78fFaU0YA

Profile of family man Osby
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whurvGThlco

Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAy0PXbJLCo

Posterizing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBwrvoC5oBg

Pretty awesome rim attacking, bank shot, and jump shot skills, but it's not against NBA height and speed, and highlights almost always make the subject look good. Still, seems like a nice, level headed guy with some talent. If not on the Wizards, hope he makes it somewhere.

[theboomking]

Most notable are the Len numbers. Not sure I agree there. I don't see a 45% bust.

And he slammed CCJ Mr Wolters 2% Bust. CCJ isn't going to like this.

I don't see any way there is a 19% chance Len is a starter. With his size and skill, and likely high draft slot, he is going to be a starter somewhere, even if it is just to get him minutes to develop him, or to justify his draft slot.

Also interesting that he lists Okafor as one of the comps for Steven Adams. I have long thought that Adams would make a great Okafor replacement. We ought to try to break our backs to move back up and grab him.

I also thought Joe Johnson was an interesting comp for Otto Porter. I didn't really think Porter was as much of a scorer.

[hands11]

I was listening this afternoon to the Sportsfix, and someone was talking about Art Monk, and I thought, that is who Porter is like. Monk wasn't the fastest or the greatest athlete, but he got it done. He was great, because he knew how to play. And he played with class.

Not sure how much there is to a Monk comparison.

Monk was effectively a TE as a WR by todays standards.

He was tall and strong. He stood head and shoulders above the rest in his day. Add to that he ran perfect routes, and you have Ark Monk.

And its not like he was slow or anything.

Just curious. Did you get to watch Monk play much ?

[Deeptu McPullup]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xpjvo-BI10A[/youtube]

Gobert really moves well for a 7'2 guy.

I really think we need to sacrifice the 2014 pick to get one of these 7 footers because Gobert, Adams, Zeller, Olynyk, Dieng, and Len all look like legitimate bigs who can play at a high level. I love the potential of Adams, Len and Gobert, and I love the fact Dieng, Zeller, and Olynyk can step in immediately and contribute.

2014 may have three hyped prospects, but outside of those 3, that draft is pretty much as weak as this one near the bottom of the lottery (McGary projected in the lottery—nuff said). If we want to strike on a young 7 footer, this is the year.

Hmmmm, yes, this plan looks good to me.

I need to see some more Gobert game footage, but he's not a guy creaking along in Frankenstein boots out there. If he can make reads at game speed, avoid fouls and has a modicum of toughness - not even great, just OK - he's got a high floor.

[hands11]

Romero Osby reminds me a lot of Paul millsap when he was in college.

If the Wizards pass on Bennett but still want to check out an undersized PF with some range (hit the 3 well throughout college, in limited attempts) to go with tough inside game, maybe Romero Osby on the cheap with the late 2nd or as a FA. Also, he has a wife and kid, so pretty likely to be in the well behaved category.

Interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn78fFaU0YA

Profile of family man Osby
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whurvGThlco

Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAy0PXbJLCo

Posterizing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBwrvoC5oBg

Pretty awesome rim attacking, bank shot, and jump shot skills, but it's not against NBA height and speed, and highlights almost always make the subject look good. Still, seems like a nice, level headed guy with some talent. If not on the Wizards, hope he makes it somewhere.

Just watched a little of the first one and me likes. Man, he could stroke the shot and it come off the hand with so little effort. Its like he was flicking a softball up there.

Plus the leadership stuff was nice. Back to watch the rest.

Oh damn, I like this young man. back to watch more. Now how sweet is his wife. Very cool to see the way they interact. Huge advantage having that in your corner.

Dude is a baby Stoutamire. Bring him on and you can let Booker walk.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... omero-osby

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Magic considering 9 players, with pg and sg looking like their biggest needs. Works out pretty ideal for us considering those are NOT our biggest needs.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/22 ... -No-2-Pick

[The Consiglieri]

I was listening this afternoon to the Sportsfix, and someone was talking about Art Monk, and I thought, that is who Porter is like. Monk wasn't the fastest or the greatest athlete, but he got it done. He was great, because he knew how to play. And he played with class.

Not sure how much there is to a Monk comparison.

Monk was effectively a TE as a WR by todays standards.

He was tall and strong. He stood head and shoulders above the rest in his day. Add to that he ran perfect routes, and you have Ark Monk.

And its not like he was slow or anything.

Just curious. Did you get to watch Monk play much ?

Childhood hero. Running Back at Syracuse, didn't even expect to be drafted, went in round 1, quiet e.f. hutton commercial quality cliché in terms of leadership, looked beautiful and graceful, I always thought of him as the next lynn swann because he made so many beautiful diving catches and just appeared graceful and effortless.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX-A4dpctxc

My older brother and I always viewed Monk as somebody sacred in terms of sports and spent our childhoods trying to emulate him in sports.

If otto porter could become a basketball art monk, I'd take him #1 w/o a second thought.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Question on bigs in the draft: If you had to rank Withey, Dieng, Plumlee, or Muscala for the Wizards - what's your order, and note if there's a significant difference between the 4 of them.

Dieng, Muscala, Plumlee, Withey

I want to rank Muscala first, but I'm not sure about his body in the NBA. His rebounds are excellent and he has range.

I am certain Dieng will be a serviceable rebounder and defender. He's a champion coming out of the NCAAs and has strong character and work ethic. I am more intrigued with the baller, Muscala, but l would take Dieng.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Agree with you on Lamb. I was real high on him after his freshman year at UConn when he was playing second fiddle to Kemba but then his soph year came and he struggled when he became the focus of the UConn offense. I still think that given the right opportunity Lamb can be a decent NBA player, although I don't think he's necessarily what the Zards need.

As for Lamb having a better summer league than Beal, well, that's kinda insignificant. A lot of guys tear it up in the summer league and never do squat during the regular season.

Lamb was selected a D-League all star and his team made the semifinals. He was arguably the best SG in the D League. When he's a good NBA pro I will remind you that you each thought Lamb, Adams or Olynyk, plus Wolters was bad for Seraphin and the third.

I was reading through a recent Pelton chat and he referenced OKC being very unhappy with what they saw from Lamb when they watched him at practices. Really disappointed. I thought Lamb was one of the better values in the draft last year, a borderline steal, alas our affection for said players potential may have been misplaced. As for that deal, it was shockingly bad to me as well. I recognize that you view both players on that Faried/Milsap scale of players that were 15+ slots more valuable than where they were picked, but for now, that offer looks awful. It basically reads like 1 or 2 busts, and and 2 bench players for a possible star. There's a reason that scrolling through trades in history, whichever side got the player, nearly always won, over the side that got all the parts/pieces.

The deal I suggested is only shockingly bad if both Olynyk and Wolters are disappointments. I don't want Lamb.

The players I really want from other teams are John Henson and Terrence Jones. Henson would be ideal in the Wizards' front court. Jones MIGHT be able to play SF. He is not a great shooter but he has a total game. He scores inside and out and he's athletic.

I could be wrong on the trade idea, but Olynyk will score in the paint and Wolters will start at PG eventually. He will be the steal of this draft on the right team.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

The closest comp, I can come up with for Bennett is a better shooting Corliss Williamson. I guess it really isn't that far off from the Rodney Rogers comp. Both players would probably be roughly the 10th to 12th picks if their drafts were re-done. Having a 3 point shot(Williamson) or more 2 point efficency(Rodgers) probably would have moved up a few spots, but not really seeing a top 5 player.

Best comparison yet. Corliss "Big Nasty" Williamson.

I'm not feeling Bennett at all. Along with his body type limiting his defense and his low motor on defense, the main problem is he has injury concerns already.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Romero Osby reminds me a lot of Paul millsap when he was in college.

If the Wizards pass on Bennett but still want to check out an undersized PF with some range (hit the 3 well throughout college, in limited attempts) to go with tough inside game, maybe Romero Osby on the cheap with the late 2nd or as a FA. Also, he has a wife and kid, so pretty likely to be in the well behaved category.

Interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn78fFaU0YA

Profile of family man Osby
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whurvGThlco

Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAy0PXbJLCo

Posterizing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBwrvoC5oBg

Pretty awesome rim attacking, bank shot, and jump shot skills, but it's not against NBA height and speed, and highlights almost always make the subject look good. Still, seems like a nice, level headed guy with some talent. If not on the Wizards, hope he makes it somewhere.

Just watched a little of the first one and me likes. Man, he could stroke the shot and it come off the hand with so little effort. Its like he was flicking a softball up there.

Plus the leadership stuff was nice. Back to watch the rest.

Oh damn, I like this young man. back to watch more. Now how sweet is his wife. Very cool to see the way they interact. Huge advantage having that in your corner.

Dude is a baby Stoutamire. Bring him on and you can let Booker walk.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... omero-osby

Osby is going pro? For whatever reason I didn't know he was a senior. His stats and big game performances caught my eye months back.

He definitely has skills.

[gambitx777]

Romero Osby reminds me a lot of Paul millsap when he was in college.

If the Wizards pass on Bennett but still want to check out an undersized PF with some range (hit the 3 well throughout college, in limited attempts) to go with tough inside game, maybe Romero Osby on the cheap with the late 2nd or as a FA. Also, he has a wife and kid, so pretty likely to be in the well behaved category.

Interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn78fFaU0YA

Profile of family man Osby
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whurvGThlco

Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAy0PXbJLCo

Posterizing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBwrvoC5oBg

Pretty awesome rim attacking, bank shot, and jump shot skills, but it's not against NBA height and speed, and highlights almost always make the subject look good. Still, seems like a nice, level headed guy with some talent. If not on the Wizards, hope he makes it somewhere.

Just watched a little of the first one and me likes. Man, he could stroke the shot and it come off the hand with so little effort. Its like he was flicking a softball up there.

Plus the leadership stuff was nice. Back to watch the rest.

Oh damn, I like this young man. back to watch more. Now how sweet is his wife. Very cool to see the way they interact. Huge advantage having that in your corner.

Dude is a baby Stoutamire. Bring him on and you can let Booker walk.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... omero-osby

Yeah man like i said the kid is like a Paul Millsap type steal waiting to happen. Plus the best part of this kid is his senior stats. His minutes dropped but his production and stats increased and improved.
his shooting and FT %'s went up from (FG% 49 to 52.6, 3PT% 38.9 to 52.9, FT% 71.5 to 79.4).
His rebounding and blocks only fell 0.3 per game and he still averaged 7 RPG and close to a Block PG. plus his PPG went from 12.9 to 16, becoming more productive with less minutes shows true growth and I would really love for the wiz to take this kid ! ! !

[Deeptu McPullup]

The deal I suggested is only shockingly bad if both Olynyk and Wolters are disappointments. I don't want Lamb.

The reason the deal is shockingly bad is that you have convinced yourself that we need to give up the third pick in the 2014 NBA draft in order to get Olynyk and Wolters.

Lets just put it this way: if an alien Battle Cruiser were hovering over Washington DC and threatened to neutron bomb the planet unless Tommy Lee Jones and Will Smith figured out a way for the Washington Wizards to acquire the draft rights to Kelly Olynyk and Nate Wolters without giving up the Wall, Beal or the 3rd pick in the 2014 NBA draft, I feel fairly confident that the film would conclude with a happy ending.

Olynyk and Wolters could turn into Stockton and Malone and it would still be a poor value as a trade just based on the pre-draft evaluation of the assets as of now. That trade has us throwing away value for no good reason.

[hands11]

God I can't wait for the draft to get here or for there to be some new news so we have something fresh to talk about.

Tuesday, June 4th – at 10:30 am at Verizon Center.

Malcolm Armstead | G | Wichita State | 6'0, 205 lbs
Demetrius Conger | F | St. Bonaventure | 6'6, 205 lbs
Ramon Galloway | G | LaSalle | 6'3, 180 lbs

Jamelle Hagins | F | Delaware | 6'9, 235 lbs
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wiz ... -d-c-ties/

Hagins, according to multiple mock draft Web sites, falls into the latter category, but he’s trying to sway general managers following a senior season in which he became the first in Delaware history to be named CAA defensive player of the year. Hagins led the conference and ranked 33rd in the country in blocks per game (2.4) and was eighth nationally in rebounding (10.5).

Romero Osby | F | Oklahoma | 6'8, 232 lbs

“They want guys that can run with John and can run with Bradley [Beal] because they’re really trying to get up and down the floor and implement that type of system,” Osby said. “They just told me to make sure I’m in great shape and run the floor. They like that I can do some inside and outside things. No promises, but definitely some interest.”

Tray Woodall | G | Pittsburgh | 6'0, 190 lbs


Wednesday, June 5th – at 12:30 pm at Verizon Center.

Will Clyburn | F | Iowa St | 6'7, 210 lbs
Elijah Johnson | G | Kansas | 6'4, 195 lbs
Nick Minnerath | F | Detroit | 6'9, 215 lbs
Peyton Siva | G | Louisville | 6'0, 185 lbs
Adonis Thomas | F | Memphis | 6'7, 240 lbs
Christian Watford | F | Indiana | 6'9, 232 lbs

For a team that says they don't want to use both 2nds, they certainly are looking at a lot of players they could pick with it or bring in after the draft for nothing instead.