Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII

[Dat2U]

Say the Hawks win this series and Bird decides to blow it up, putting Hibbert on the block. Would you go for that? Hibbert has been terrible offensively and weak on the boards but has been his usual self on defense protecting the rim. I personally think if he had a change of scenery he could get himself together. We need a rim protector like him.

Anyone who knows what they're talking about with trades and contracts (I don't know how much Hibbert is getting paid but I feel like he got a new contract recently, too lazy to look it up) could maybe help me figure out how a trade might work.

I wouldn't. Guys have to play both ends, and Hibbert is awful on offense. And, his defense is decent, but Indy is just as good defensively when he's on the bench. I wouldn't mind having him on my team, but not at his salary and not for what Indy will want in exchange.

I wouldn't either. IMO it looks like Hibbert's regressed offensively. Specifically it looks like his skill-set has declined. Just look at his post moves, they no longer look crisp. He looks clunky & rushed in his post moves. His jumper is flatter than ever. For whatever reason, the same skills he'd shown marked improvement on over the years have dissipated. I wonder if it's injury, if he's not been able to practice. But the margin of error for Hibbert is so small because he's always been a poor athlete so any decline in his skillset is going to have a big impact.

[Rafael122]

Hibbert played like a big man in Georgetown, so his recent play has shocked me. He wouldn't be doing all of this if JT 3 was his coach.

BTW, hindsight is 20/20, but matching the contract offer that Portland gave Hibbert was a bad move. I feel like teams sorta get stuck in that "well we drafted, developed and played him, so we must keep him" mentality. I'm sure the same thing will happen if they keep Stephenson and pay him $8 to $9 mil per.

[fishercob]

Well that's my question. Are the Bucks even in a position to demand significant compensation in return? Seems like the off-court issues, injuries, poor play and marijuana habits would work against that.

Dallas is going to have major cap space. They could absorb Sander's contract instantly if they wanted to. The Raptors could make offers using expirings like Fields & Salmons.

The Wizards lack the expirings, and only have Porter as an expendable asset, and Porter is needed because Ariza is a FA.

Why would Dallas sacrifice cap room to take on what some consider a bad contract? I think there's a number of ways they could go with the cap room but Larry Sanders seems pretty far down on that list. The Raps wouldn't seem like a good bet either considering they have Valanciunas and Sanders is strictly a C.

Because an engaged Sanders is likely worth every bit of his new deal and then some. Put him in a strong organization with a great coach and he could thrive -- unless he doesn't.

[bealwithit]

Say the Hawks win this series and Bird decides to blow it up, putting Hibbert on the block. Would you go for that? Hibbert has been terrible offensively and weak on the boards but has been his usual self on defense protecting the rim. I personally think if he had a change of scenery he could get himself together. We need a rim protector like him.

Anyone who knows what they're talking about with trades and contracts (I don't know how much Hibbert is getting paid but I feel like he got a new contract recently, too lazy to look it up) could maybe help me figure out how a trade might work.

I wouldn't. Guys have to play both ends, and Hibbert is awful on offense. And, his defense is decent, but Indy is just as good defensively when he's on the bench. I wouldn't mind having him on my team, but not at his salary and not for what Indy will want in exchange.

Can't disagree with anything you said but maybe a change of scenery could help? All his current issues seem to stem from the team collectively having personal issues with each other and his confidence is shot. Maybe if he was on a team like ours where he'll get minutes and play with a PG not named George Hill, I dunno. Nothing will happen anyway, just an idea since I'm 99% sure he becomes available when the Pacers get bounced.

[pcbothwel]

Say the Hawks win this series and Bird decides to blow it up, putting Hibbert on the block. Would you go for that? Hibbert has been terrible offensively and weak on the boards but has been his usual self on defense protecting the rim. I personally think if he had a change of scenery he could get himself together. We need a rim protector like him.

Anyone who knows what they're talking about with trades and contracts (I don't know how much Hibbert is getting paid but I feel like he got a new contract recently, too lazy to look it up) could maybe help me figure out how a trade might work.

I wouldn't. Guys have to play both ends, and Hibbert is awful on offense. And, his defense is decent, but Indy is just as good defensively when he's on the bench. I wouldn't mind having him on my team, but not at his salary and not for what Indy will want in exchange.

Thanks Nivek, couldn't have said it better myself.

[nate33]

I don't see Indy trading Hibbert. It would be the ultimate "sell low" move, and Bird isn't that stupid.

Heck, at this point, Indy would probably have to include assets to dump Hibbert and his contract. I don't see how trading him would help them at all.

[Ruzious]

Strategerally speaking, say the Wiz sign Gortat to a 4 year deal. Hibbert has only 2 years left on his - his ends when Nene's ends. If they trade Gortat for Hibbert in a year or so, that and perhaps trading Ariza could give them the cap flexibility they'd need to go after a Durant.

[verbal8]

Strategerally speaking, say the Wiz sign Gortat to a 4 year deal. Hibbert has only 2 years left on his - his ends when Nene's ends. If they trade Gortat for Hibbert in a year or so, that and perhaps trading Ariza could give them the cap flexibility they'd need to go after a Durant.

Why wait a year? A Gortat S&T would work. It makes Indy better in the short run. For the Wizards the front-court gets younger. However I am not sure Indy would sell that low.

[bgroban]

Strategerally speaking, say the Wiz sign Gortat to a 4 year deal. Hibbert has only 2 years left on his - his ends when Nene's ends. If they trade Gortat for Hibbert in a year or so, that and perhaps trading Ariza could give them the cap flexibility they'd need to go after a Durant.

Why wait a year? A Gortat S&T would work. It makes Indy better in the short run. For the Wizards the front-court gets younger. However I am not sure Indy would sell that low.

I wouldn't do it. For the Wizards right now as constructed, Gortat > Hibbert IMO.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

Strategerally speaking, say the Wiz sign Gortat to a 4 year deal. Hibbert has only 2 years left on his - his ends when Nene's ends. If they trade Gortat for Hibbert in a year or so, that and perhaps trading Ariza could give them the cap flexibility they'd need to go after a Durant.

Why wait a year? A Gortat S&T would work. It makes Indy better in the short run. For the Wizards the front-court gets younger. However I am not sure Indy would sell that low.

I wouldn't do it. For the Wizards right now as constructed, Gortat > Hibbert IMO.

Yes. But again, Hibbert expires when KD's contract ends.

This would be a dream scenario... But Indy isn't that stupid, right?

[payitforward]

^ Another board member coming around! I love it!

Everything's all good when we win, and I hope we keep winning -- not going to be jinxing anything by being critical.

But... the big thing to think about Gortat and Ariza is that they are both UFAs, and we might not be able to re-sign them both even if we want to. And the big thing to think about Miller, even if he does play next year, is how you replace him.

You like Maynor, don't you LR? Loved the signing. Should we "come around" to that? He'll be available next Summer. You want him again? As much as you wanted him last Summer?

The team is on the verge of making a playoff run before our eyes and you're still on Eric Maynor? Wow. Besides, I never "wanted" Maynor. I just didn't rush to judgement and was willing to see how it would work out, hopeful that it would. And that's the same approach I'm taking to retaining guys like Gortat and Ariza in the offseason. Let's see how it plays out.

If you want to take a different approach, that's fine but that's on you and it won't impact my enjoyment of the current squad. Go Wiz!

LOL -- you are really funny, LR. Why don't you remind me of one time -- ever! -- when you thought timing was right to be critical of Ernie. Can you point to even one occasion?

As to Maynor, sorry -- you were clear, confident and unwavering about what a terrific upgrade Maynor was at the back up point guard. Those of us who noticed that he'd never been good and there was no chance he'd all of a sudden start being good weren't guilty of any "rush to judgement." We were simply right. And you were simply wrong. Would it be so painful for you to admit that?

Finally, as to "enjoyment of the current squad," I'm not taking any back seat to you, amigo. It's terrific to win, and we are looking at some good fortune in whom we are facing in the East in this run. Lets make the most of it!

[nate33]

Strategerally speaking, say the Wiz sign Gortat to a 4 year deal. Hibbert has only 2 years left on his - his ends when Nene's ends. If they trade Gortat for Hibbert in a year or so, that and perhaps trading Ariza could give them the cap flexibility they'd need to go after a Durant.

We wouldn't convince Durant to join us unless we had a high quality big man on the roster. Durant isn't leaving Westbrook and Ibaka to join Wall and Beal and nobody else.

The only avenue to get Durant is to resign Gortat to a contract that minimizes his 2016 salary, and then make sure all other players we sign expire in 2016. And trade either Porter or Webster by 2016.

[fishercob]

Strategerally speaking, say the Wiz sign Gortat to a 4 year deal. Hibbert has only 2 years left on his - his ends when Nene's ends. If they trade Gortat for Hibbert in a year or so, that and perhaps trading Ariza could give them the cap flexibility they'd need to go after a Durant.

We wouldn't convince Durant to join us unless we had a high quality big man on the roster. Durant isn't leaving Westbrook and Ibaka to join Wall and Beal and nobody else.

The only avenue to get Durant is to resign Gortat to a contract that minimizes his 2016 salary, and then make sure all other players we sign expire in 2016. And trade either Porter or Webster by 2016.

Come on, nate! How can you say in April of 2014 what our only avenue will be for anything in more then two years? Two years ago, what chance would you have given the Rockets to end up signing Dwight Howard as a free agent at some point -- 3%? 1%?

I'm not saying that planning for the future is unimportant; it is, of course. But the Wizards shouldn't not sign any good players this summer because of Kevin Durant. The better the Wizards get, the better chance they will have at landing KD if he ever decides to leave OKC.

[nate33]

Strategerally speaking, say the Wiz sign Gortat to a 4 year deal. Hibbert has only 2 years left on his - his ends when Nene's ends. If they trade Gortat for Hibbert in a year or so, that and perhaps trading Ariza could give them the cap flexibility they'd need to go after a Durant.

We wouldn't convince Durant to join us unless we had a high quality big man on the roster. Durant isn't leaving Westbrook and Ibaka to join Wall and Beal and nobody else.

The only avenue to get Durant is to resign Gortat to a contract that minimizes his 2016 salary, and then make sure all other players we sign expire in 2016. And trade either Porter or Webster by 2016.

Come on, nate! How can you say in April of 2014 what our only avenue will be for anything in more then two years? Two years ago, what chance would you have given the Rockets to end up signing Dwight Howard as a free agent at some point -- 3%? 1%?

I'm not saying that planning for the future is unimportant; it is, of course. But the Wizards shouldn't not sign any good players this summer because of Kevin Durant. The better the Wizards get, the better chance they will have at landing KD if he ever decides to leave OKC.

Fair enough. It's not the ONLY way. But I maintain that Durant isn't going to come and join a team with nothing but Wall, Beal and spare parts. To have a shot at Durant, keeping Gortat (or replacing Gortat with another quality big man) is a must.

My main point is that a trade of Gortat for Hibbert on the basis of acquiring cap room in 2016 is self-defeating.

[bealwithit]

Strategerally speaking, say the Wiz sign Gortat to a 4 year deal. Hibbert has only 2 years left on his - his ends when Nene's ends. If they trade Gortat for Hibbert in a year or so, that and perhaps trading Ariza could give them the cap flexibility they'd need to go after a Durant.

We wouldn't convince Durant to join us unless we had a high quality big man on the roster. Durant isn't leaving Westbrook and Ibaka to join Wall and Beal and nobody else.

The only avenue to get Durant is to resign Gortat to a contract that minimizes his 2016 salary, and then make sure all other players we sign expire in 2016. And trade either Porter or Webster by 2016.

Come on, nate! How can you say in April of 2014 what our only avenue will be for anything in more then two years? Two years ago, what chance would you have given the Rockets to end up signing Dwight Howard as a free agent at some point -- 3%? 1%?

I'm not saying that planning for the future is unimportant; it is, of course. But the Wizards shouldn't not sign any good players this summer because of Kevin Durant. The better the Wizards get, the better chance they will have at landing KD if he ever decides to leave OKC.

We could also see the "take-less-money-win-rings" strategy become a trend if Melo takes less money (than his market value or what the Knicks would give him) to sign with Houston or Chicago or whatever mystery team might pop up. Players saw Lebron, Bosh and Wade do it and it worked for them. Then, since they won rings, LeBron, at least, will be getting a nice payday. Bosh will probably get paid somewhere else. Wade will be taken care of. I'm thinking it's something players start considering and something KD might decide he wants to do if we become enough of an attractive landing spot when compared to what his other options might, but that imo is doubtful. This is all just wishful thinking. We're still the Wizards, just now we have some hope in our backcourt duo that will be with us for at least a decade.

However, there is a lot of time between now and "The Summer of Durant" so really I think he needs to stop being brought up so often in threads like this. I know people really want it to happen but it's really far away from even being a relevant topic of conversation and no one around the league has gotten any kind of inkling that Durant will even think about leaving OKC.

[fishercob]

We wouldn't convince Durant to join us unless we had a high quality big man on the roster. Durant isn't leaving Westbrook and Ibaka to join Wall and Beal and nobody else.

The only avenue to get Durant is to resign Gortat to a contract that minimizes his 2016 salary, and then make sure all other players we sign expire in 2016. And trade either Porter or Webster by 2016.

Come on, nate! How can you say in April of 2014 what our only avenue will be for anything in more then two years? Two years ago, what chance would you have given the Rockets to end up signing Dwight Howard as a free agent at some point -- 3%? 1%?

I'm not saying that planning for the future is unimportant; it is, of course. But the Wizards shouldn't not sign any good players this summer because of Kevin Durant. The better the Wizards get, the better chance they will have at landing KD if he ever decides to leave OKC.

Fair enough. It's not the ONLY way. But I maintain that Durant isn't going to come and join a team with nothing but Wall, Beal and spare parts. To have a shot at Durant, keeping Gortat (or replacing Gortat with another quality big man) is a must.

My main point is that a trade of Gortat for Hibbert on the basis of acquiring cap room in 2016 is self-defeating.

I'm with you on your main point. As to what Durant would do, it really depends on Wall, Beal and the spare parts, doesn't it? Bradley Beal is kicking some ass against the league's top defense. He's 20. He could be the league's best and most complete SG in two years. Wall could be an elite PG himself. What if those spare parts include shooters, rebounders, and a rim protector, ya know?

I don't think we disagree, in actuality. And hey, this playof performance makes Beal for Love that much more tenable (at least for Minnesota).

[Wizardspride]

From a Pistons fan
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1290509&start=840

I think Monroe and Smith for Nene, Porter and Webster could be a great deal for both teams

[nate33]

From a Pistons fan
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1290509&start=840

I think Monroe and Smith for Nene, Porter and Webster could be a great deal for both teams

No, that's a good deal for Detroit.

At this point, I'd rather have Nene and his 2016 expiring contract than Smith and his 2017 expiring contract. At least Nene is good when healthy. Smith is always bad.

So the rest of the trade boils down to Monroe for Webster + Porter. I'm not sure why Detroit thinks they can get so much value for a free agent who is about to be overpaid.

[dckingsfan]

From a Pistons fan
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1290509&start=840

I think Monroe and Smith for Nene, Porter and Webster could be a great deal for both teams

No, that's a good deal for Detroit.

At this point, I'd rather have Nene and his 2016 expiring contract than Smith and his 2017 expiring contract. At least Nene is good when healthy. Smith is always bad.

So the rest of the trade boils down to Monroe for Webster + Porter. I'm not sure why Detroit thinks they can get so much value for a free agent who is about to be overpaid.

Detroit is a bit stuck - They probably need to trade one of Smith, Drummond or Monroe. Smith - no one wants that contract. Drummond - Detroit is going to hold onto a potential star. Monroe - S&T and they will try to figure out if there are any trade partners that will enable them. So, if they could do an S&T with Monroe to get rid of Smith, they do it in a heartbeat.

[barelyawake]

Wow if Clips really did have to make all their players free agents (10% chance -- though one repeated often today).

I've never liked Blake, but I'd much rather him than Gortat.