John Wall Appreciation Thread - Part III

[tontoz]

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[jrob23]

This sort of trolling gets opposing fans banned on other boards.

What a sad little clown.

except I'm not trolling. Why can't fans of other teams make observations about your team/players/coaches? Does everyone on here agree on Wall? Are there no posters that wish he was a more complete player? Nobody complains that he and Beal should pass more to the other players i.e. Porter and Gortat? If they do have an opposing position on these players do they get labeled a troll and receive ban warnings?

Opposing team fans come on our boards all the time and the homers get mad when they point out things about our team/players/coaches and they get called trolls and told to go away. And often times, they, like me are just trying to make honest observations and prompt discussions legitimately and I'll stick up for them.

I'm sure I'll get banned but I promise I'm not trolling. I've just been paying extra attention to players like Porter because BOS has the Nets 2018 1st and if they can land Porter (and others) it might affect how high that pick is. So I watch your games sometimes when you're on to see him play. I do the same for Hayward and Noel who also might end up being pursued by the Nets. And just like with Porter and this board, I go on PHI and Jazz board to discuss. But this is the first board that has gotten ticked off about it.

Whatever, I guess you don't like outsiders. I'll leave you in peace. Good luck the rest of the season.

[tontoz]

case in point. I'm not saying he can't put up great numbers and isn't a great talent. But to get to the next level I feel he's missing the intangibles and BBIQ. Why is that trolling? Why can't someone just come here to discuss your players without being called a troll. I've already received a ban notice laughably. I'm honestly not trolling.

Then you are honestly stupid, and/or are a troll and don't realize it. Posting the same nonsense in 3 different thread makes me think you are both.

The Wizards have the worst bench in the league, by far. That is what is holding them back.

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/teamstats/17/7/diffeff/1-1

Wall has consistently been one of the best playmakers in the league. This will likely be his 3rd straight season averaging 10 assists. Guys like Ariza and Webster had their career years playing with Wall. He has consistently led the league in setting up guys for corner 3s.

Among pgs he is 6th in RPM after having two knee surgeries over the summer.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM/position/1

He is also 4th in the league in clutch scoring.

http://www.nbaminer.com/clutch-time-stats/

You are just clueless.

[pcbothwel]

This sort of trolling gets opposing fans banned on other boards.

What a sad little clown.

except I'm not trolling. Why can't fans of other teams make observations about your team/players/coaches? Does everyone on here agree on Wall? Are there no posters that wish he was a more complete player? Nobody complains that he and Beal should pass more to the other players i.e. Porter and Gortat? If they do have an opposing position on these players do they get labeled a troll and receive ban warnings?

Opposing team fans come on our boards all the time and the homers get mad when they point out things about our team/players/coaches and they get called trolls and told to go away. And often times, they, like me are just trying to make honest observations and prompt discussions legitimately and I'll stick up for them.

I'm sure I'll get banned but I promise I'm not trolling. I've just been paying extra attention to players like Porter because BOS has the Nets 2018 1st and if they can land Porter (and others) it might affect how high that pick is. So I watch your games sometimes when you're on to see him play. I do the same for Hayward and Noel who also might end up being pursued by the Nets. And just like with Porter and this board, I go on PHI and Jazz board to discuss. But this is the first board that has gotten ticked off about it.

Whatever, I guess you don't like outsiders. I'll leave you in peace. Good luck the rest of the season.

Wall is a very talented but flawed player and you'll never win with him. He's more concerned being flashy and putting up empty numbers than he is winning. He should be elite defensively. He should be less selfish. He'll always get defended because guys who bought his jersey can point to statistics that they think supports him being a great player. But the intangibles and BBIQ will never be there. I know it sounds terrible but with two back to back amazing draft classes coming up, it's time you get to moving him so you can use the picks you acquire via trade in these drafts. You will never be more than a treadmill team with him as your leader.

I feel bad for Beal, Porter and Gortat. These three seem to play the right way. Meanwhile that scrub Morris is allowed to jack up 21 shots? Games like this prove Wall just doesn't get it. His BBIQ is garbage. It's a shame too because he has elite size and athleticism. He should be the best defender and one of the best all around players in the league. He'll show glimpses but he'll never fully realize his potential because he won't put in the work to be a complete player. You guys should move on from him, sign Porter long term, trade Morris and get a PG with his head screwed on right and a PF that isn't a spazz. You will be a treadmill team if you don't move on from Wall. He reminds me of Cousins in that regard. Great potential who flashes brilliance but will never lead a team to the promised land if he's the man.

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You're an idiot. You come onto the Wiz board and proceed to post in 3 different threads within minutes about how Wall and Beal (Both top 5 players at their position) are somehow the reason for our average play. You're a troll

Fact: Wall is better than IT and Beal is better than Avery Bradley.

[payitforward]

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I agree -- & that's an understatement!

[nate33]

This sort of trolling gets opposing fans banned on other boards.

What a sad little clown.

except I'm not trolling. Why can't fans of other teams make observations about your team/players/coaches? Does everyone on here agree on Wall? Are there no posters that wish he was a more complete player? Nobody complains that he and Beal should pass more to the other players i.e. Porter and Gortat? If they do have an opposing position on these players do they get labeled a troll and receive ban warnings?

Opposing team fans come on our boards all the time and the homers get mad when they point out things about our team/players/coaches and they get called trolls and told to go away. And often times, they, like me are just trying to make honest observations and prompt discussions legitimately and I'll stick up for them.

I'm sure I'll get banned but I promise I'm not trolling. I've just been paying extra attention to players like Porter because BOS has the Nets 2018 1st and if they can land Porter (and others) it might affect how high that pick is. So I watch your games sometimes when you're on to see him play. I do the same for Hayward and Noel who also might end up being pursued by the Nets. And just like with Porter and this board, I go on PHI and Jazz board to discuss. But this is the first board that has gotten ticked off about it.

Whatever, I guess you don't like outsiders. I'll leave you in peace. Good luck the rest of the season.

When you enter the game thread of another board immediately after loss and start bashing the team's star player (and 3-time All Star), that constitutes trolling. What other reaction were you expecting than what you got?

When you came to the John Wall thread to discuss the strengths and weakness of John Wall, that's not trolling. It's why I didn't edit you out of this thread.

[dangermouse]

Wall is a very talented but flawed player and you'll never win with him. He's more concerned being flashy and putting up empty numbers than he is winning. He should be elite defensively. He should be less selfish. He'll always get defended because guys who bought his jersey can point to statistics that they think supports him being a great player. But the intangibles and BBIQ will never be there. I know it sounds terrible but with two back to back amazing draft classes coming up, it's time you get to moving him so you can use the picks you acquire via trade in these drafts. You will never be more than a treadmill team with him as your leader.

The Washington Wizards’ John Wall and the Houston Rockets’ James Harden today were named the Kia NBA Eastern and Western Conference Players of the Month, respectively, for games played in December.

Wall led the Eastern Conference in assists (10.7 apg) and steals (2.67 spg) and ranked fifth in scoring (24.5 ppg) as the Wizards (10-5) posted their first 10-win month since December 2014. The reigning Eastern Conference Player of the Week was one of only three players to average a point-assist double-double in December, joining Harden and the LA Clippers’ Chris Paul. Wall, who scored a career-high 52 points in a 124-116 loss to the Orlando Magic on Dec. 6, shot 49.1 percent from the field and 81.4 percent from the free throw line for the month.

http://www.nba.com/article/2017/01/03/john-wall-james-harden-kia-players-month-december

case in point. I'm not saying he can't put up great numbers and isn't a great talent. But to get to the next level I feel he's missing the intangibles and BBIQ. Why is that trolling? Why can't someone just come here to discuss your players without being called a troll. I've already received a ban notice laughably. I'm honestly not trolling.

"You'll never win with him"
*Player of the Month, in a month the team went 10-5*
"yeah well, case in point"

Ok, maybe youre not trolling. Youre just stupid.

[dangermouse]

Really, after watching one game (an L) you could have come here and said "damn you guys bench is garbage, are they even basketball players?" Or your other point about Morris jacking shots when he clearly shouldnt be. And we would have agreed with you and said "Yeah buddy! Tell us about it!" Because you would be right whether you have watched just that game, or all our games.

You didnt even open with "good game" or some other platitude.

You presented your (ill-informed) opinion on our star player with completely derisive language. I say opinion because youve clearly not researched beyond watching one admittedly poor game from said player.

Then when presented with facts in much the same way, you lash out and claim youre just making observations, completely ignorant of why we would react in such a way.

Hope this is a learning experience for you. Even if your opinion may not go over well with a particular audience, sometimes the way you present the opinion can make all the difference. Listening to their opinions and considering tehir points are also helpful.

tl;dr Don't be a dick.

[nate33]

He is also 4th in the league in clutch scoring.

http://www.nbaminer.com/clutch-time-stats/

Nice find!

Looking at those numbers, not only is Wall scoring a lot of points in the clutch, he is doing so with better efficiency than most. His TS% in the clutch is .576. I didn't calculate TS% for everyone else, but just glancing at the eFG% and FTA's by others, it would appear that only McCollum, Isaiah, and Paul George are significantly more efficient in the clutch. Westbrook, Kemba and Bledsoe are comparable to Wall. Guys like Harden, Butler, DeRozan, Lillard and Cousins are significantly less efficient (and less prolific).

McCollum has been unreal though. eFG% is .649 and his TS% is .696 . That's Gilbert Arenas level of clutch efficiency.

[Illmatic12]

Wall is a very talented but flawed player and you'll never win with him. He's more concerned being flashy and putting up empty numbers than he is winning. He should be elite defensively. He should be less selfish. He'll always get defended because guys who bought his jersey can point to statistics that they think supports him being a great player. But the intangibles and BBIQ will never be there. I know it sounds terrible but with two back to back amazing draft classes coming up, it's time you get to moving him so you can use the picks you acquire via trade in these drafts. You will never be more than a treadmill team with him as your leader.

The Washington Wizards’ John Wall and the Houston Rockets’ James Harden today were named the Kia NBA Eastern and Western Conference Players of the Month, respectively, for games played in December.

Wall led the Eastern Conference in assists (10.7 apg) and steals (2.67 spg) and ranked fifth in scoring (24.5 ppg) as the Wizards (10-5) posted their first 10-win month since December 2014. The reigning Eastern Conference Player of the Week was one of only three players to average a point-assist double-double in December, joining Harden and the LA Clippers’ Chris Paul. Wall, who scored a career-high 52 points in a 124-116 loss to the Orlando Magic on Dec. 6, shot 49.1 percent from the field and 81.4 percent from the free throw line for the month.

http://www.nba.com/article/2017/01/03/john-wall-james-harden-kia-players-month-december

case in point. I'm not saying he can't put up great numbers and isn't a great talent. But to get to the next level I feel he's missing the intangibles and BBIQ. Why is that trolling? Why can't someone just come here to discuss your players without being called a troll. I've already received a ban notice laughably. I'm honestly not trolling.

John Wall is lacking bball iq and can't be a winner? This guy literally has no idea what he's talking about.. your opinions are quite frankly garbage and misinformed.

Let us know when anyone on the Celtics gets past the first round, thanks

[AFM]

Johns MRIs all came back negative

[Meliorus]

Zach Lowe put Lowry and Wall as his 2 starting guards for the All-Star Game. His argument was essentially that the Wizards are way, way worse by many metrics when Wall is off the floor (same cannot be said for Isaiah, Irving). Also, he mentioned how Wall was a monster on defense in 2014-2015. Aside from the knee surgeries, I wonder what caused the moderate drop-off.

[CobraCommander]

This sort of trolling gets opposing fans banned on other boards.

What a sad little clown.

except I'm not trolling. Why can't fans of other teams make observations about your team/players/coaches? Does everyone on here agree on Wall? Are there no posters that wish he was a more complete player? Nobody complains that he and Beal should pass more to the other players i.e. Porter and Gortat? If they do have an opposing position on these players do they get labeled a troll and receive ban warnings?

Opposing team fans come on our boards all the time and the homers get mad when they point out things about our team/players/coaches and they get called trolls and told to go away. And often times, they, like me are just trying to make honest observations and prompt discussions legitimately and I'll stick up for them.

I'm sure I'll get banned but I promise I'm not trolling. I've just been paying extra attention to players like Porter because BOS has the Nets 2018 1st and if they can land Porter (and others) it might affect how high that pick is. So I watch your games sometimes when you're on to see him play. I do the same for Hayward and Noel who also might end up being pursued by the Nets. And just like with Porter and this board, I go on PHI and Jazz board to discuss. But this is the first board that has gotten ticked off about it.

Whatever, I guess you don't like outsiders. I'll leave you in peace. Good luck the rest of the season.

Wall is a very talented but flawed player and you'll never win with him. He's more concerned being flashy and putting up empty numbers than he is winning. He should be elite defensively. He should be less selfish. He'll always get defended because guys who bought his jersey can point to statistics that they think supports him being a great player. But the intangibles and BBIQ will never be there. I know it sounds terrible but with two back to back amazing draft classes coming up, it's time you get to moving him so you can use the picks you acquire via trade in these drafts. You will never be more than a treadmill team with him as your leader.

I feel bad for Beal, Porter and Gortat. These three seem to play the right way. Meanwhile that scrub Morris is allowed to jack up 21 shots? Games like this prove Wall just doesn't get it. His BBIQ is garbage. It's a shame too because he has elite size and athleticism. He should be the best defender and one of the best all around players in the league. He'll show glimpses but he'll never fully realize his potential because he won't put in the work to be a complete player. You guys should move on from him, sign Porter long term, trade Morris and get a PG with his head screwed on right and a PF that isn't a spazz. You will be a treadmill team if you don't move on from Wall. He reminds me of Cousins in that regard. Great potential who flashes brilliance but will never lead a team to the promised land if he's the man.

- trolling. deleted.

You're an idiot. You come onto the Wiz board and proceed to post in 3 different threads within minutes about how Wall and Beal (Both top 5 players at their position) are somehow the reason for our average play. You're a troll

Fact: Wall is better than IT and Beal is better than Avery Bradley.

DY- NO- Mite!

[CobraCommander]

He is also 4th in the league in clutch scoring.

http://www.nbaminer.com/clutch-time-stats/

Nice find!

Looking at those numbers, not only is Wall scoring a lot of points in the clutch, he is doing so with better efficiency than most. His TS% in the clutch is .576. I didn't calculate TS% for everyone else, but just glancing at the eFG% and FTA's by others, it would appear that only McCollum, Isaiah, and Paul George are significantly more efficient in the clutch. Westbrook, Kemba and Bledsoe are comparable to Wall. Guys like Harden, Butler, DeRozan, Lillard and Cousins are significantly less efficient (and less prolific).

McCollum has been unreal though. eFG% is .649 and his TS% is .696 . That's Gilbert Arenas level of clutch efficiency.

Gil = ClutchGod. Good find indeed

[Kanyewest]

Zach Lowe put Lowry and Wall as his 2 starting guards for the All-Star Game. His argument was essentially that the Wizards are way, way worse by many metrics when Wall is off the floor (same cannot be said for Isaiah, Irving). Also, he mentioned how Wall was a monster on defense in 2014-2015. Aside from the knee surgeries, I wonder what caused the moderate drop-off.

Wall had better defensive players around him in the 2014/15 season, including Ariza, Nene, Temple, and Booker. He also had a competent backup in Miller that the Wizards could keep Wall fresh.



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[dangermouse]

Johns MRIs all came back negative

I love you

[Meliorus]

Now that the All-Star campaign is over, when are DC fans going to start an All-NBA campaign?? It's imperative that we get him on there, I think he has a real shot this year after hearing the news that CP3 is out for another 6-8 weeks. If we don't, there's a high possibility he's gone in the 2018 Free Agency.

Current Standings (Guard spots):
1st team: Harden, Westbrook
2nd team: Curry, Lowry
3rd team: Isaiah, Wall

Other challengers: DeRozan, Kyrie, Kemba, Klay, CP3

[sfam]

I wonder if his hand was okay after last night.
There was an observation that he hurt or aggravated it in the CHI game.
Hopefully it'll be better by Sat night.

That said, there were non-physical aspects of his game last night (BOS)
that I didn't care for. So be it. I have no expectation that that will be
an ongoing problem.

It wasn't. He played with a splint on his finger. Talked about it in an interview a few days later. This wasn't careless Wall, this was hurt, frustrated Wall.

[dangermouse]

Now that the All-Star campaign is over, when are DC fans going to start an All-NBA campaign?? It's imperative that we get him on there, I think he has a real shot this year after hearing the news that CP3 is out for another 6-8 weeks. If we don't, there's a high possibility he's gone in the 2018 Free Agency.

Current Standings (Guard spots):
1st team: Harden, Westbrook
2nd team: Curry, Lowry
3rd team: Isaiah, Wall

Other challengers: DeRozan, Kyrie, Kemba, Klay, CP3

Why is Lowry above Wall? Team record?

[tontoz]

Now that the All-Star campaign is over, when are DC fans going to start an All-NBA campaign?? It's imperative that we get him on there, I think he has a real shot this year after hearing the news that CP3 is out for another 6-8 weeks. If we don't, there's a high possibility he's gone in the 2018 Free Agency.

Current Standings (Guard spots):
1st team: Harden, Westbrook
2nd team: Curry, Lowry
3rd team: Isaiah, Wall

Other challengers: DeRozan, Kyrie, Kemba, Klay, CP3

Why is Lowry above Wall? Team record?

Team record and better stats.