Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 6

[dckingsfan]

Does this mean a complete teardown and rebuild for the Clippers? Or do they try and keep Blake Griffin and reload around Griffin and Jordan? Both are just 28 years old.

Yes. If I'm LAC now, I have the offense totally run through Griffin - he's essentially my point PF. And he will be motivated by that challenge.

We will see - if not, its a complete rebuild, no?
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/246536/Clippers-Believe-Blake-Griffin-Will-Re-Sign

[dckingsfan]

What the hell? How does that get you Chris Paul???????? We need to be on the phones. Go get DJ

This! Patrick Beverley, Sam Dekker, Lou Williams and a top-3 protected 2018 first round pick - really?

[pcbothwel]

Kudos to the Clippers for not paying a 33/34 y/o Paul $45M in that last year.


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LOL.. No, it would be paying a 36/37 y/o Paul 45M... Dont blame them in the least

[NatP4]

Kudos to the Clippers for not paying a 33/34 y/o Paul $45M in that last year.


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LOL.. No, it would be paying a 36/37 y/o Paul 45M... Dont blame them in the least

Yeah makes perfect sense especially since he was gonna walk for nothing anyways. We should be trying to make the same type of deal for Blake Griffin right now.

[Dark Faze]

George apparently willing to extend with a non Laker team now changes the game up considerably

Honestly, I'm gone if I'm John if we can't do anything major this summer. If the Celtics/Cavs improve considerably then there's no point beyond money to stick around because this team will never make an ECF. He can make a ton of money and win elsewhere. And John hinted at as much by saying he wants to see what the FO can do before he extends, despite the supermax being on the table.

[tontoz]

CP3 gets traded and Phil Jackson gets fired on the same day. Wow

[Dark Faze]

If George went to Boston I'd already have my bags packed.

[pcbothwel]

Kudos to the Clippers for not paying a 33/34 y/o Paul $45M in that last year.


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LOL.. No, it would be paying a 36/37 y/o Paul 45M... Dont blame them in the least

Yeah makes perfect sense especially since he was gonna walk for nothing anyways. We should be trying to make the same type of deal for Blake Griffin right now.

How so? Blake already exercised his ETO and is a UFA... CP3 opted in to his PO.

[dckingsfan]

Well, they clearly aren't done - they will need some good FA forwards to really move the needle.

Paul/Harden
Harden/Gordon
FA SF/Ariza
Anderson/FA PF
Capela/Harrell/Onuaku

[nate33]

I suppose Harden will go back to being a traditional SG?

It's just two point guards that can shoot and play off ball, I see no issue with the fit. Casual fans on twitter are going crazy about the whole "only one ball" thing, but that's gonna be tough to stop.

Agreed. Both guys can play off the dribble, and both guys are exceptional shooters who can play catch-and-shoot. Basically, D'Antoni will be able to run the offense through whichever guy is guarded by the worse defender. Also, he'll be able to stagger them so that there is always one superstar on the floor to lead the offense.

[cdouglas]

George apparently willing to extend with a non Laker team now changes the game up considerably

Honestly, I'm gone if I'm John if we can't do anything major this summer. If the Celtics/Cavs improve considerably then there's no point beyond money to stick around because this team will never make an ECF. He can make a ton of money and win elsewhere. And John hinted at as much by saying he wants to see what the FO can do before he extends, despite the supermax being on the table.

Agree!! I want be upset with him if he decides to walk.

[nate33]

Does this mean a complete teardown and rebuild for the Clippers? Or do they try and keep Blake Griffin and reload around Griffin and Jordan? Both are just 28 years old.

Yes. If I'm LAC now, I have the offense totally run through Griffin - he's essentially my point PF. And he will be motivated by that challenge.

Agreed. Griffin was brilliant in this role a couple years back when Chris Paul was hurt for a while.

[nate33]

Honestly, I'm gone if I'm John if we can't do anything major this summer.

You have to be realistic. EG doesn't have the assets to compete with the best offers from other teams. It's not necessarily a lack of will that's the problem. It's a lack of competently managing assets to put the team in position to make a move. EG'sfailures aren't due to his performance this summer. They were due to his performance in past summers.

[cdouglas]

Blake to the Wizards??? Blake does the same thing (opts in) and we trade mahinmi/gortat + oubre + future 1st for Blake?

Do you honestly believe the Wiz could get Blake for mahinimi, gortat and oubre? Really shouldn't be laughing because it is really sad.

[Rafael122]

Honestly, I'm gone if I'm John if we can't do anything major this summer.

You have to be realistic. EG doesn't have the assets to compete with the best offers from other teams. It's not necessarily a lack of will that's the problem. It's a lack of competently managing assets to put the team in position to make a move. EG'sfailures aren't due to his performance this summer. They were due to his performance in past summers.

Think this is what happened: Ernie was hell bent on getting Horford. We came in 2nd, Ernie still went with the mindset that he needs a center. He did, but he needed a backup, not a guy who will get starter's $.

So instead of signing Willie Reed or a Dwayne Dedmon type to a 2 year deal with a player option, he went all in on Mahinmi. Even if everything else stayed the same, we signed Nicholson and traded him for Bogey and a pick, we'd be in the same position as last year where we'll have some cap space and still have the ability to re-sign Otto Porter (last year it was Beal).

Having said all that, if Blake decided to pull a CP 3 and opt in and get traded all we had to do was package Oubre, Smith and a pick for Griffin. Smith/Oubre's contracts would have helped absorb Griffin into the deal. That's what I would have offered anyway.

Edit: Or we could have offered Smith, Oubre and a future first for Paul George. We'd have the flexibility to do what Houston did to get Paul.

[Dark Faze]

i'll never forgive Ted and Ernie for not pulling the trigger on Beal for Harden

[dckingsfan]

Okay - Sacramento's revolving GMs are just as bad if not worse than EG. So there is that...

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[Dark Faze]

Okay - Sacramento's revolving GMs are just as bad if not worse than EG. So there is that...

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If cap space isn't an issue, why not get a guy in your building and developing as soon as possible?

If we could have enticed Sato to come over back in 2011 with a bigger offer, we'd know by now if he was any good

[montestewart]

Honestly, I'm gone if I'm John if we can't do anything major this summer.

You have to be realistic. EG doesn't have the assets to compete with the best offers from other teams. It's not necessarily a lack of will that's the problem. It's a lack of competently managing assets to put the team in position to make a move. EG'sfailures aren't due to his performance this summer. They were due to his performance in past summers.

But perhaps this summer Wall realizes that Terd n Ernie's inability to act boldly at critical junctures is a direct result of their sustained failure: horrible FA signings, horrible drafting, surrendering 1st round picks to jettison mistakes or acquire veteran stop gaps, selling off 2nd round picks, never finding hidden gems. It's not luck, fortune, or the breaks of the game that will prevent them from acting. They put themselves in the position they are in. Would the writing on the Wall finally be enough to end EGgo's tenure?

[verbal8]

:o

CP3 gets traded and Phil Jackson gets fired on the same day. Wow

Yeah a pretty eventful day.

Not usual to have 2 separate transactions involving a hall of famer and future HOF plate I'm the same day outside the draft or start of FA.