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Deni Avdija

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Re: Deni Avdija 

Post#581 » by nate33 » Wed Feb 10, 2021 2:47 pm

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Halcyon wrote:The statement "His defense is awful" is just inaccurate. Sorry

I'm sorry that his defense is awful. Let's watch the next couple of games and get back to that. And count the number of times his teammates yell at him for being out of position.

You are right that he does get yelled at by his teammates from time to time. But let's cut the guy a little slack. He has 17 career games under his belt and has been thrust into a starting role as the designated wing defender on a team with no rim protection and a coach who is famous for his lack of preparation.

It seems pretty harsh to call him awful. He is inexperienced, but he clearly has pretty good defensive fundamentals and instincts.
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Post#582 » by NatP4 » Wed Feb 10, 2021 2:54 pm

Avdija is probably the 2nd or 3rd best defender on the team after Bonga&Mathews.

His teamates yell at him because he’s a 19/20 year old rookie, and a precedent is set by a really stupid coach for holding certain players accountable (guys like Satoransky, Porter), but not others.
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Re: Deni Avdija 

Post#583 » by Frichuela » Wed Feb 10, 2021 3:19 pm

Ruzious wrote:
Halcyon wrote:The statement "His defense is awful" is just inaccurate. Sorry

I'm sorry that his defense is awful. Let's watch the next couple of games and get back to that. And count the number of times his teammates yell at him for being out of position.


Advanced stats show that Deni is one of the better defenders in the team: DRTG of 114, DBPM of -0.2 and DWS of 0.3. The other one is Matthews:

DRTG DBPM DWS
Beal 116 -1.5 0.3
Bertans 118 -2.4 0.1
Rui 118 -2.4 0.1
Westbrook 115 -1.7 0.3
Ish 116 -0.4 0.2
Matthews 115 +0.2 0.1
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Post#584 » by NatP4 » Wed Feb 10, 2021 3:31 pm

Actually, I didn’t realize, but the defensive numbers are really slipping for Avdija:

https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612764/onoffcourt-summary/?sort=OFF_DEF_RATING&dir=-1
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Post#585 » by WallToWall » Wed Feb 10, 2021 4:07 pm

Ruzious wrote:
Halcyon wrote:The statement "His defense is awful" is just inaccurate. Sorry

I'm sorry that his defense is awful. Let's watch the next couple of games and get back to that. And count the number of times his teammates yell at him for being out of position.
His D is no better or worse than anyone else on the team. He has been caught out of position many a time....so have all other Wizard players. Kettle, meet pot... On the positive side, he actually cares to play D.
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Re: Deni Avdija 

Post#586 » by Ruzious » Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:06 pm

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Ruzious wrote:
Halcyon wrote:The statement "His defense is awful" is just inaccurate. Sorry

I'm sorry that his defense is awful. Let's watch the next couple of games and get back to that. And count the number of times his teammates yell at him for being out of position.
His D is no better or worse than anyone else on the team. He has been caught out of position many a time....so have all other Wizard players. Kettle, meet pot... On the positive side, he actually cares to play D.

I've said many times that the only player on the team that doesn't stink at D is Bonga, so... Actually, I probably overrated Bonga.
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Post#587 » by jangles86 » Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:01 am

I’d be more concerned about the team leader Brad Beals defence then a rookie whose played 17 games
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Post#588 » by Frichuela » Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:32 am

Westbrook is such a liability...
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Post#589 » by prime1time » Mon Mar 1, 2021 7:42 pm

What are people's thoughts on Advija? A lot of Advija fans seem to be frustrated with his lack of involvement in the offense. While this is understandable, it also shows a real lack of understanding about NBA basketball imo. The notion that Advija was going to just show up as a rookie and be allowed to create like he's Luka Doncic was never really realistic. Ideally, you'd see an in-between where he's given the freedom to do things here and there, but in all honesty, the only team that would give that opportunity would be tanking.
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It will be very interesting to see what happens going forward. If this is the kind of advice Advija is getting, I think you have to question whether or not he'll end up sticking in the NBA. Being allowed the freedom to create and initiate offense is a privilege. To do so on a competitive team is the highest honor a player can get. At the same time, having a player that dominates the ball like a Westbrook limits the ability of everyone else.

I understand where this team is right now, but I think we have to think about what the future of this team is. We drafted Brown Jr, and he can't even touch the court. We drafted Advija, he can't touch the court. Instead we have Garrison Matthews and Raul Neto getting big minutes. This is an organizational failure. The reality is that Westbrooks presence throws a wrench into the team that Sheppard was building. A motion offense, where multiple players can initiate the offense and people can be just as effective with or without the ball. Regardless, I do believe that our young players need to find a way to be effective without having the ball. Whether it be 3-point shooting, cutting, rebounding, playing good defense; they need to find ways to contribute.
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Post#590 » by FAH1223 » Mon Mar 1, 2021 7:49 pm

prime1time wrote:What are people's thoughts on Advija? A lot of Advija fans seem to be frustrated with his lack of involvement in the offense. While this is understandable, it also shows a real lack of understanding about NBA basketball imo. The notion that Advija was going to just show up as a rookie and be allowed to create like he's Luka Doncic was never really realistic. Ideally, you'd see an in-between where he's given the freedom to do things here and there, but in all honesty, the only team that would give that opportunity would be tanking.
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It will be very interesting to see what happens going forward. If this is the kind of advice Advija is getting, I think you have to question whether or not he'll end up sticking in the NBA. Being allowed the freedom to create and initiate offense is a privilege. To do so on a competitive team is the highest honor a player can get. At the same time, having a player that dominates the ball like a Westbrook limits the ability of everyone else.

I understand where this team is right now, but I think we have to think about what the future of this team is. We drafted Brown Jr, and he can't even touch the court. We drafted Advija, he can't touch the court. Instead we have Garrison Matthews and Raul Neto getting big minutes. This is an organizational failure. The reality is that Westbrooks presence throws a wrench into the team that Sheppard was building. A motion offense, where multiple players can initiate the offense and people can be just as effective with or without the ball. Regardless, I do believe that our young players need to find a way to be effective without having the ball. Whether it be 3-point shooting, cutting, rebounding, playing good defense; they need to find ways to contribute.


This necessitates a coaching change.
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Post#591 » by Frichuela » Mon Mar 1, 2021 8:06 pm

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prime1time wrote:What are people's thoughts on Advija? A lot of Advija fans seem to be frustrated with his lack of involvement in the offense. While this is understandable, it also shows a real lack of understanding about NBA basketball imo. The notion that Advija was going to just show up as a rookie and be allowed to create like he's Luka Doncic was never really realistic. Ideally, you'd see an in-between where he's given the freedom to do things here and there, but in all honesty, the only team that would give that opportunity would be tanking.
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It will be very interesting to see what happens going forward. If this is the kind of advice Advija is getting, I think you have to question whether or not he'll end up sticking in the NBA. Being allowed the freedom to create and initiate offense is a privilege. To do so on a competitive team is the highest honor a player can get. At the same time, having a player that dominates the ball like a Westbrook limits the ability of everyone else.

I understand where this team is right now, but I think we have to think about what the future of this team is. We drafted Brown Jr, and he can't even touch the court. We drafted Advija, he can't touch the court. Instead we have Garrison Matthews and Raul Neto getting big minutes. This is an organizational failure. The reality is that Westbrooks presence throws a wrench into the team that Sheppard was building. A motion offense, where multiple players can initiate the offense and people can be just as effective with or without the ball. Regardless, I do believe that our young players need to find a way to be effective without having the ball. Whether it be 3-point shooting, cutting, rebounding, playing good defense; they need to find ways to contribute.


This necessitates a coaching change.


Hear hear. No doubt!
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Post#592 » by prime1time » Mon Mar 1, 2021 8:12 pm

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prime1time wrote:What are people's thoughts on Advija? A lot of Advija fans seem to be frustrated with his lack of involvement in the offense. While this is understandable, it also shows a real lack of understanding about NBA basketball imo. The notion that Advija was going to just show up as a rookie and be allowed to create like he's Luka Doncic was never really realistic. Ideally, you'd see an in-between where he's given the freedom to do things here and there, but in all honesty, the only team that would give that opportunity would be tanking.
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I understand where this team is right now, but I think we have to think about what the future of this team is. We drafted Brown Jr, and he can't even touch the court. We drafted Advija, he can't touch the court. Instead we have Garrison Matthews and Raul Neto getting big minutes. This is an organizational failure. The reality is that Westbrooks presence throws a wrench into the team that Sheppard was building. A motion offense, where multiple players can initiate the offense and people can be just as effective with or without the ball. Regardless, I do believe that our young players need to find a way to be effective without having the ball. Whether it be 3-point shooting, cutting, rebounding, playing good defense; they need to find ways to contribute.


This necessitates a coaching change.


Hear hear. No doubt!

How much of this is on Brooks and how much is it is because of Westbrook? I will note that our winning streak coincided with Advija going to the bench.
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Post#593 » by queridiculo » Mon Mar 1, 2021 8:14 pm

Avdija is a **** rookie.

Quite frankly Beit Halachmi needs to shut the **** up.
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Post#594 » by FAH1223 » Mon Mar 1, 2021 8:27 pm

queridiculo wrote:Avdija is a **** rookie.

Quite frankly Beit Halachmi needs to shut the **** up.

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Post#595 » by nate33 » Mon Mar 1, 2021 8:32 pm

queridiculo wrote:Avdija is a **** rookie.

Quite frankly Beit Halachmi needs to shut the **** up.

This.

He is a rookie. A 19-year-old rookie at that.

He was drafted 9th and ranks 10th among rookies in minutes played, despite the team playing fewer games that most and Avdija missing a bunch because of Covid. The handful of guys that played more minutes are for the most part either awesome (Ball, Haliburton), much older (Bey, Bane), or play on tanking teams (Edwards, Okoro). Avdija is doing fine.
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Post#596 » by prime1time » Mon Mar 1, 2021 8:33 pm

I wonder if the stupid stuff we see at the end of games is because he wants out. Anyone else see him just throw the ball backwards over his head? Whoever is in his ear is going to really screw him over. If he has Doncic level talent and the Wiz are keeping him down fine. But if he in anyway shape or form needs to grow and develop he's going to really screw himself.

Also, it speaks volumes that they would be angry/frustrated when we win. And if that's Advija's mindset he's going to get stamped as a player who is more about himself than about the team. Like what team does he go to right now, where he would get an opportunity to "be the guy."
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Post#597 » by Eli Babak » Mon Mar 1, 2021 8:43 pm

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Pretty ugly, but yeah, he's a rookie. Refs also give him a lot of bs fouls (or maybe I'm blind + NBA is just so soft nowadays). Anyway, he'll improve eventually and have a great career.
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Post#598 » by NatP4 » Mon Mar 1, 2021 8:50 pm

I get why Deni fans are frustrated. It’s not just about minutes played. He just stands in the corner while Beal and Westbrook iso. Of course they are frustrated. They don’t give him nearly as much opportunity as Rui had last season. We are in win now mode, unfortunately.

Nothing to be concerned about as far as Deni’s ability level. They just need to remember that Brooks will be gone at the end of the season and things will be fine.
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Post#599 » by queridiculo » Mon Mar 1, 2021 9:10 pm

prime1time wrote:I wonder if the stupid stuff we see at the end of games is because he wants out. Anyone else see him just throw the ball backwards over his head? Whoever is in his ear is going to really screw him over. If he has Doncic level talent and the Wiz are keeping him down fine. But if he in anyway shape or form needs to grow and develop he's going to really screw himself.

Also, it speaks volumes that they would be angry/frustrated when we win. And if that's Advija's mindset he's going to get stamped as a player who is more about himself than about the team. Like what team does he go to right now, where he would get an opportunity to "be the guy."


There's a lot of national pride riding on Avdija, but these Deni stans need to get a grip.

Doncic was sonning grown men at 18 years old and was named Euroleague MVP at 19.

Doncic was an undeniably GREAT prospect coming into the league and showed his mettle against pro's on the second highest level while Deni looked great playing boys his own age...

Progress for Avdija right now would be to hit freethrows at a respectable clip and learning to drive left.

Nobody in the league is going to gut their roster to build around Deni...
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Post#600 » by prime1time » Mon Mar 1, 2021 9:21 pm

NatP4 wrote:I get why Deni fans are frustrated. It’s not just about minutes played. He just stands in the corner while Beal and Westbrook iso. Of course they are frustrated. They don’t give him nearly as much opportunity as Rui had last season. We are in win now mode, unfortunately.

Nothing to be concerned about as far as Deni’s ability level. They just need to remember that Brooks will be gone at the end of the season and things will be fine.

What Advija fans are basically saying is that Advija will not be a 3 and D player at all. If that's the case, I think you have to question if there's a space for him in the NBA. I.e. what happens to non-elite playmakers? From a pure basketball logic point of view, what we are really debating is this: what's the logic of giving Advija the ball to initiate when Beal or Westbrook is better at it? What's the point of taking the ball out of Harden's or Kyrie's or Doncic's or LBJ's hands? The issue isn't Brooks, it's that it's simply more efficient to keep the ball in your best player's hands.

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