2022 Summer League

[DCZards]

They probably looked better than Johnny Davis to Johnny Davis!

Meanwhile, Johnny will have plenty of chances to show something, so let's keep a good thought for him!

That said, imagine having traded the #10 to Houston for the #17 & 26, then trading the #26 down (the way Houston did) & now having Tari Eason, TyTy Washington, 2 future R2 draft picks, & let's say Gui Santos taken at our #54. Then pick up John Butler & Keon Ellis undrafted. &, don't sign Taj Gibson.

Oh well....

PIF…now that you’ve gotten this off your chest I hope you’re ready to focus on the hand we were dealt rather than the hand we wish we were dealt.

[dckingsfan]

They probably looked better than Johnny Davis to Johnny Davis!

Meanwhile, Johnny will have plenty of chances to show something, so let's keep a good thought for him!

That said, imagine having traded the #10 to Houston for the #17 & 26, then trading the #26 down (the way Houston did) & now having Tari Eason, TyTy Washington, 2 future R2 draft picks, & let's say Gui Santos taken at our #54. Then pick up John Butler & Keon Ellis undrafted. &, don't sign Taj Gibson.

Oh well....

PIF…now that you’ve gotten this off your chest I hope you’re ready to focus on the sucky hand we were dealt rather than the hand we wish we were dealt.

Just helping...

[DCZards]

They probably looked better than Johnny Davis to Johnny Davis!

Meanwhile, Johnny will have plenty of chances to show something, so let's keep a good thought for him!

That said, imagine having traded the #10 to Houston for the #17 & 26, then trading the #26 down (the way Houston did) & now having Tari Eason, TyTy Washington, 2 future R2 draft picks, & let's say Gui Santos taken at our #54. Then pick up John Butler & Keon Ellis undrafted. &, don't sign Taj Gibson.

Oh well....

PIF…now that you’ve gotten this off your chest I hope you’re ready to focus on the sucky hand we were dealt rather than the hand we wish we were dealt.

Just helping...

dckingsfan...I know you don't mean any harm...but in the future please don't revise or edit my comments. That's something I don't do...nor do I like it done to me.

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They probably looked better than Johnny Davis to Johnny Davis!

Meanwhile, Johnny will have plenty of chances to show something, so let's keep a good thought for him!

That said, imagine having traded the #10 to Houston for the #17 & 26, then trading the #26 down (the way Houston did) & now having Tari Eason, TyTy Washington, 2 future R2 draft picks, & let's say Gui Santos taken at our #54. Then pick up John Butler & Keon Ellis undrafted. &, don't sign Taj Gibson.

Oh well....

PIF…now that you’ve gotten this off your chest I hope you’re ready to focus on the hand we were dealt rather than the hand we wish we were dealt.

What's at stake isn't the hand we were dealt, Zards, it's how we played the hand we were dealt. That said, I am of no mind to give Johnny Davis a hard time! Like any kid picked at any spot in the draft, he may turn out well or badly.

For that matter, like any guy picked at any spot in any draft, there is only a small chance that time will establish Johnny as the absolute best pick at #10 in '22. It's very rare for that to happen. At any spot below 3 (& 2 also seems to be cursed!). GMs don't have crystal balls! (probably just as well given how carefully they'd have to walk if they did!)

Anyway, forget trading down for a moment: wouldn't it have been nice to take e.g. Santos at 54 (or 1 of several other guys...) & sign Keon Ellis undrafted?

Meanwhile, I like Delon Wright a lot, I like Monte Morris a lot, I even like Will Barton a little! I'm fascinated by what will/won't happen with Porzingis. Etc.

So, sure, let's play that hand & play it well!

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

Schakel (that's how you spell it, btw) is already under contract as a 2way player. I don't think those contracts are guaranteed, however, so for sure things could change. & it's an interesting question between Dotson & Jackson.

But the larger question is...

why are we discussing any of these guys? -- Why did we not sign Keon Ellis for example? Or Kenneth Lofton, Jr? The latter was compelling enough to a much much much better team than the Wizards that they signed him to a 2way contract w/in 24 hours of the end of the draft! I'll be surprised if he doesn't get on an NBA floor multiple times for the Grizzlies this season -- & I won't be surprised to see him do well!

Or Scottie Pippen, Jr? Orlando Johnson? Gabe Brown. Julian Champagnie. Aminu Mohammed. Michael Foster. Dominick Barlow. Kofi Cockburn.

How about Trevion Williams? & all the more... how about John Butler? Dat mentioned him multiple times (probably others did as well). The Pelicans signed him. All Butler did last night was score 25 points by going 9 for 9 -- including 6 for 6 on 3-pointers.

I like Quenton Jackson, but he's about to turn 24. I like Dotson as well, but he'll be 23 in 2 weeks & has been out of college a couple of years.

Many of the guys I listed above were on multiple mock drafts as potential R2 picks, sometimes high R2 picks. I'd take anyone on that list before I considered either Jackson or Dotson, that's for sure.

Of course, the fact that a weak team like the Memphis Grizzlies would add 5 rookies (including 3 to the regular roster) doesn't mean that a powerhouse like our Washington Wizards would have any reason to do the same.

Why would we do that when we can sign Taj Gibson, so that we can have "leadership in the locker room." Presumably, given that we are one of the older teams in the league, we need that badly.

Ooops. That was a rant! I'm trying to swear off of them. Hard when you're a Wizards fan.

I wasn’t gonna say it but I kind of knew the new puppy dogs and balloons PIF wasn’t going to last. You do you brother. Don’t ever change. And I mean that

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I appreciate that. All the same, I could stand to be a little less argumentative! Like most Wizards fans, I deal with a whole lot of frustration. Putting Ernie behind us certainly helped with that, but by now it's time to see some genuine progress -- at least a bunch of stuff to make a person believe progress is in the offing.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

:)

I appreciate that. All the same, I could stand to be a little less argumentative! Like most Wizards fans, I deal with a whole lot of frustration. Putting Ernie behind us certainly helped with that, but by now it's time to see some genuine progress -- at least a bunch of stuff to make a person believe progress is in the offing.

Amen. It’s time to come out of the wilderness.

[dckingsfan]

:)

I appreciate that. All the same, I could stand to be a little less argumentative! Like most Wizards fans, I deal with a whole lot of frustration. Putting Ernie behind us certainly helped with that, but by now it's time to see some genuine progress -- at least a bunch of stuff to make a person believe progress is in the offing.

Amen. It’s time to come out of the wilderness.

Is that out of the wilderness and into the sucky swamp

[Jay81]

Keegan Murray was voted Summer League MVP. He's the guy before the draft who I thought had the best numbers. I predicted he'd be the best player.

Tari Eason was voted Summer League first team. Many of us wanted the Wizards to pick him.

Ty Ty Washington and Jalen Williams both looked far better than Johnny Davis to me.


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Murray and Eason were very high on yoda

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Jarvis Davis.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Jamin Johnny Davis

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I am going to stop because I’m sure he’s a great kid.

All I would say to the young man or any of his people is —be the best player you can be and don’t worry about people like me who criticize you because your hard work paid off. Over the course of your contract I’m sure you’re going to work hard and improve and that’s all anyone can do.

I am not mad at Johnny Davis and I hope he turns out to be a really good player or better still he is a happy person in life.

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There you go... that's the CCJ we know so well!

Go Johnny go!

[SUPERBALLMAN]

After reviewing the Wizards summer league games last night, IMO I’d like to see the final 2-way contract go to Pat Spencer.

His final game vs Golden State really intrigued me. He finished with 11 points, 5 rebounds, 7 assists and 2 steals in 24 minutes. His vision, composure, leadership, hustle were all top notch. He looked athletic, decisive, held his own defensively, and played within himself. I was very impressed. To me, he looks like a legit 3rd PG, with the potential to become more than that.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

After reviewing the Wizards summer league games last night, IMO I’d like to see the final 2-way contract go to Pat Spencer.

His final game vs Golden State really intrigued me. He finished with 11 points, 5 rebounds, 7 assists and 2 steals in 24 minutes. His vision, composure, leadership, hustle were all top notch. He looked athletic, decisive, held his own defensively, and played within himself. I was very impressed. To me, he looks like a legit 3rd PG, with the potential to become more than that.

I’m pretty sure I agree with you though Dotson is also intriguing. Spencer reminds me of Brogdan when he was at UVA… never hurried, always in control, deceptively athletic.

What’s really intriguing is that he is a newbie to high level ball, so he’ll still develop. He’s already the most heady guy out there in terms of feel for the flow of the game.

[DCZards]

After reviewing the Wizards summer league games last night, IMO I’d like to see the final 2-way contract go to Pat Spencer.

His final game vs Golden State really intrigued me. He finished with 11 points, 5 rebounds, 7 assists and 2 steals in 24 minutes. His vision, composure, leadership, hustle were all top notch. He looked athletic, decisive, held his own defensively, and played within himself. I was very impressed. To me, he looks like a legit 3rd PG, with the potential to become more than that.

Spencer is 26 years old and wasn’t much of a factor in the G League last season.

Quenton Jackson is younger (23), taller (6-5) and more athletic. I’m going with his upside over Spencer.

(Jackson has an Exhibit 10 contract so maybe he gets to stick around without being on a two-way contract. Not sure how that works.)

[dckingsfan]

I am going to stop because I’m sure he’s a great kid.

All I would say to the young man or any of his people is —be the best player you can be and don’t worry about people like me who criticize you because your hard work paid off. Over the course of your contract I’m sure you’re going to work hard and improve and that’s all anyone can do.

I am not mad at Johnny Davis and I hope he turns out to be a really good player or better still he is a happy person in life.

This. The suck that was Johnny Davis summer league shouldn't be laid at the feet of Johnny Davis.

That swamp suckiness should be laid at the feet of the Wizards organization.

How much Johnny Davis improves over his current self (or regresses) should be laid at his feet - nothing more.

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After reviewing the Wizards summer league games last night, IMO I’d like to see the final 2-way contract go to Pat Spencer.

His final game vs Golden State really intrigued me. He finished with 11 points, 5 rebounds, 7 assists and 2 steals in 24 minutes. His vision, composure, leadership, hustle were all top notch. He looked athletic, decisive, held his own defensively, and played within himself. I was very impressed. To me, he looks like a legit 3rd PG, with the potential to become more than that.

Spencer is 26 years old and wasn’t much of a factor in the G League last season.

Quenton Jackson is younger (23), taller (6-5) and more athletic. I’m going with his upside over Spencer.

(Jackson has an Exhibit 10 contract so maybe he gets to stick around without being on a two-way contract. Not sure how that works.)

If we must choose among these three, then either Dotson or Jackson but certainly not Spencer. You left out Mintz, who, like Jackson, also has an Exhibit 10 contract.

An Exhibit 10 contract is a 1-year non-guaranteed contract that can be converted to a 2-way contract (but only before the season begins). It also allows a team to waive that player w/o a hit to its cap numbers. If the player is waived & agrees to sign with the franchise's G League team (w/in 30 days), he gets a bonus.

But... the real question is: why are we looking at these limited choices? In particular, why are we looking at a 26 year old, a guy who's about to turn 24, & a 3d player who will turn 23 in a few weeks?

Above all, why are we not looking at a few of the interesting young prospects who didn't get drafted this year?

Must we do a slapdash job on absolutely everything? Be late to every single party?

[Dat2U]

Quenton Jackson no doubt is the 2-way I'd go with.

I'd also bail on Isaiah Todd and find an actual 3rd PG... preferrably a shot creator (since both Morris & Wright are both game managers). Maybe Dotson gets some consideration but I'd look elsewhere first.

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Quenton Jackson no doubt is the 2-way I'd go with....

Yeah... if I have to choose from the menu Tommy has presented, he's probably the best choice.

...I'd also bail on Isaiah Todd...

Todd is still owed $3.4m of guaranteed money, if you can believe it.

...and find an actual 3rd PG... preferrably a shot creator (since both Morris & Wright are both game managers). Maybe Dotson gets some consideration but I'd look elsewhere first.

Be nice to find a talented PG prospect w/ shot-creation potential, only... I can't come up w/ a candidate off the top of my head. Suggest someone if you can....