Official Trade Thread XVII: 6/29/11 - 1/20 /12

[fishercob]

I'm guessing the price would be prohibitive, as Curry is GS's best young asset and their only capable PG.

But the underlying thought -- Wall is big enough to guard SG's, so we can pair him with a smaller PG who can shoot -- is an interesting one that has me thinking of someone else: Steve Nash.

Nash will be 38 in February and the conventional wisdom is that he's old and somehow decaying, or about to. Reality is that Nash keeps himself in phenomenal shape, has played 74+ games each of the last ten years, and doesn't have a game predicated on being able to jump high.

His great passing abilities often obscure the fact that Nash is a phenomenal scorer -- and one of the best shooters in history. He can finish from anywhere and is devastating from three. If he had less of a playmaking burden and his minutes kept in the 30-32 range, he could play 5 more years.

What a phenomenal role model for Wall and a legit veteran who could actually contribute beyond waving a towel. What a great mentor for Javale. What a phenomenal backup point guard, etc. What an amazing lure for Dwight Howard next summer: to come play with Wall, Nash, and a bunch of hard working energy guys like Vesely, Booker, etc.

Blatche + Crawford + something (Seraphin? signed Shelvin Mack?) gets it done under the old CBA. New CBA may have relaxed trade rules, though. I'd trade Blatche and Crawford for Nash in a heartbeat.

[LyricalRico]

OK....I'm officially throwing in the towel, and I will never post another trade idea involving "Michael Beasley to the Wizards"!!!!! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!! What a frickin' LOSER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So the Wiz should avoid young players on reasonable contracts who put up big numbers on losing teams if they act like knuckleheads on the court and get in trouble with the law off the court? Interesting...



I wonder what people would be saying about Beasley if he was drafted by the Wiz? "He's still young...you can't find guys who put up his kind of numbers at his salary...he's going to 'get it' next season...blah, blah, blah."

And if Blatche played for the Wolves? "No way, he's a knuckehead...he just puts up empty stats on a losing team...his contract is just as bad as Drew Gooden's...etc."

[theboomking]

LOVE the idea of acquiring Steph Curry, maybe no matter what the price. A Wall/Curry back court is dynamite, and the rest of our roster will fill itself in over time. Even if Curry is a better fit as a PG than SG, and would make for a small back court, I'm willing to take that risk. Don't think I'd give up the 2012 1st rounder, but 2013 and beyond we can talk.

Offensively, I think Curry is fine as a 2. We would definitely have to switch on defense however. Wall has the length and athleticism to guard PG's and SG's. What would we do with our lineup if we were able to obtain Curry and dump Rashard?

Wall
Curry
Young
Vesely/Singleton
McGee
I guess that would be our shooters lineup. I think the more likely lineup would be:

Wall
Curry
Vesely/Singleton
Blatche
McGee
Still doesn't look that great.

Now if you could trade for Curry and then sign Dwight, you'd have a deadly inside out game.
Wall
Curry
Singleton
Vesely
Dwight

That team has perimeter defenders, beef inside, and outside shooting.

[hands11]

An Aldridge trade seems like pie in the sky. Any more realistic trades?

I know I may be in the minority here, but I still really like Curry as a pure shooter paired with Wall. Imagine Stephen playing the Rip Hamilton role.

Not sure who wouldnt like that.

[tsvqt]

OK....I'm officially throwing in the towel, and I will never post another trade idea involving "Michael Beasley to the Wizards"!!!!! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!! What a frickin' LOSER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So the Wiz should avoid young players on reasonable contracts who put up big numbers on losing teams if they act like knuckleheads on the court and get in trouble with the law off the court? Interesting...



I wonder what people would be saying about Beasley if he was drafted by the Wiz? "He's still young...you can't find guys who put up his kind of numbers at his salary...he's going to 'get it' next season...blah, blah, blah."

And if Blatche played for the Wolves? "No way, he's a knuckehead...he just puts up empty stats on a losing team...his contract is just as bad as Drew Gooden's...etc."

Man, I don't think the Wizards would bring Beasley home to get high with his hommies if the Wolves was giving him to us AND paying his salary!!

[verbal8]

An Aldridge trade seems like pie in the sky. Any more realistic trades?

I know I may be in the minority here, but I still really like Curry as a pure shooter paired with Wall. Imagine Stephen playing the Rip Hamilton role.

Not sure who wouldnt like that.

Golden State probably wouldn't like it too much

[TGW]

Stephen Curry is literally the worst defensive guard in the league. Putting him at the 2 probably means our backcourt gives up 50 points a night.

I'll pass on that one.

[theboomking]

Stephen Curry is literally the worst defensive guard in the league. Putting him at the 2 probably means our backcourt gives up 50 points a night.

I'll pass on that one.

I was waiting for that sentiment. Maybe you're right. I can't help but feel however, that Curry scores in enough volume, with enough efficiency, to still win his matchup on most nights without dominating the ball. On offense, he would be really special paired with Wall.

I may not give up a lot of assets to trade for him, but I would look long and hard at him in FA. Is Curry an URFA in 2013 or 2014?

I really, really like the idea of a Dwight/Curry/Wall triumvirate. Wall and Dwight would go a long way toward making up for Curry's defensive deficiencies. If there is no hard cap implemented, we could afford Dwight on a max deal, curry on an expensive deal, and then resign Wall to a max deal once his contract is up. Given that we already have a lot of young supporting talent on the team, we wouldn't be left with a shell of a supporting cast like the Heat.

[Dat2U]

OK....I'm officially throwing in the towel, and I will never post another trade idea involving "Michael Beasley to the Wizards"!!!!! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!! What a frickin' LOSER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So the Wiz should avoid young players on reasonable contracts who put up big numbers on losing teams if they act like knuckleheads on the court and get in trouble with the law off the court? Interesting...



I wonder what people would be saying about Beasley if he was drafted by the Wiz? "He's still young...you can't find guys who put up his kind of numbers at his salary...he's going to 'get it' next season...blah, blah, blah."

And if Blatche played for the Wolves? "No way, he's a knuckehead...he just puts up empty stats on a losing team...his contract is just as bad as Drew Gooden's...etc."

What does Blatche have to do with Beasley? Beasley has had a long time drug habit, been caught more than once, went to rehab and still is abusing. By all accounts we've never heard Dray being involved with drugs. Blatche loves to party but honestly I think that gets overblown here because a great deal of athletes party like it's no tomorrow, especially in their early 20s. Certainly I think Blatche is on his last strike here but by all accounts he's putting in work at the gym this off-season, just like he did last year before he got hurt.

Regarding empty stats on a losing team, wouldn't that go for every one on the Wizards roster? Including John Wall. As long as were a losing franchise, all the stats accumulated in a Wizards uniform are pretty much empty stats.

[Dat2U]

Stephen Curry is literally the worst defensive guard in the league. Putting him at the 2 probably means our backcourt gives up 50 points a night.

I'll pass on that one.

No, Curry's teammate Monta Ellis is the worst defensive guard in the league. And it's amazing how Dallas won considering they had Jason Kidd (can't keep anyone in front of him anymore), Juan Barea (all of 5-9 or 5-10) and Jason Terry (a 6-2 shooting guard w/o much of a defensive rep) getting most of the minutes.

Basically, you can hide a poor defending guard in the right system. Curry would be great for this team offensively and with Wall being a legit 6-4 with 2-guard length, we could overcome Curry's defensive deficiencies.

What you can't overcome is a poor defender at the PF/C position. A guy like Antawn Jamison cannot be hidden. A guy like Javale McGee, until he started to make the right rotations, couldn't be hidden.

[Ruzious]

Regarding empty stats on a losing team, wouldn't that go for every one on the Wizards roster? Including John Wall. As long as were a losing franchise, all the stats accumulated in a Wizards uniform are pretty much empty stats.

Of course not - unless everyone plays poorly. Empty stats are when you put up numbers and still play poorly - inefficient and ineffective.

[Ruzious]

Stephen Curry is literally the worst defensive guard in the league. Putting him at the 2 probably means our backcourt gives up 50 points a night.

I'll pass on that one.

No, Curry's teammate Monta Ellis is the worst defensive guard in the league. And it's amazing how Dallas won considering they had Jason Kidd (can't keep anyone in front of him anymore), Juan Barea (all of 5-9 or 5-10) and Jason Terry (a 6-2 shooting guard w/o much of a defensive rep) getting most of the minutes.

Basically, you can hide a poor defending guard in the right system. Curry would be great for this team offensively and with Wall being a legit 6-4 with 2-guard length, we could overcome Curry's defensive deficiencies.

What you can't overcome is a poor defender at the PF/C position. A guy like Antawn Jamison cannot be hidden. A guy like Javale McGee, until he started to make the right rotations, couldn't be hidden.

Curry is certainly one of the worst defenders in the game, and allowing guards dribble penetration causes huge defensive problems for the entire team. Notice GS won a lot more games with Baron Davis teaming with Ellis than they won with Curry teaming with Ellis. I don't think adding Curry would be much of a help for the Wiz and certainly wouldn't come close to being cost effective.

[nate33]

Stephen Curry is literally the worst defensive guard in the league. Putting him at the 2 probably means our backcourt gives up 50 points a night.

I'll pass on that one.

I tend to agree. Curry is an exceptional offensive player, but alongside Wall, I think we only need to find a decent offensive player who is an exceptional spot up shooter and a solid defender. If Wall can defend the SG position, I think we might be just as successful with somebody like Daniel Gibson instead of Curry. Gibson can nail 3's like nobody's business and he plays much better D than Curry. Don't get me wrong, Curry is a much better overall offensive player than Gibson; he can create his own shot with ease and has better court vision, but those advantages won't be maximized alongside Wall. I'd rather have Gibson's defense while using the resources saved to bolster our frontcourt.

Basically, Gibson is a younger version of Derrick Fisher - somewhat useless as a pure PG, but excellent as a SG in a PG's body playing alongside an elite ballhandling big guard.

[Ruzious]

Stephen Curry is literally the worst defensive guard in the league. Putting him at the 2 probably means our backcourt gives up 50 points a night.

I'll pass on that one.

I tend to agree. Curry is an exceptional offensive player, but alongside Wall, I think we only need to find a decent offensive player who is an exceptional spot up shooter and a solid defender. If Wall can defend the SG position, I think we might be just as successful with somebody like Daniel Gibson instead of Curry. Gibson can nail 3's like nobody's business and he plays much better D than Curry. Don't get me wrong, Curry is a much better overall offensive player than Gibson; he can create his own shot with ease and has better court vision, but those advantages won't be maximized alongside Wall. I'd rather have Gibson's defense while using the resources saved to bolster our frontcourt.

Basically, Gibson is a younger version of Derrick Fisher - somewhat useless as a pure PG, but excellent as a SG in a PG's body playing alongside an elite ballhandling big guard.

Yeah, that's the way to maximize your resources - if Wall has grown to nearly 6'6. You can get guys like Gibson very cheaply, and he'll actually blend better than a guy like Curry - who you'd have to expend a ridiculous amount of resources to get and keep.

[Severn Hoos]

And then there's the whole rivalry with LeBron thing. That would be cool - Gibson carrying a grudge, the kid who dunked on LeBron (Crawford), one of the few guys who comes close to matching LeBron in size and speed (Booker), another solid defender who is actually taller than LeBron (Singleton), and a possible Jeffries clone (Vesely) - remember how Jared's length really bothered LeBron in the playoffs.

Sounds like an entire team built with one thing in mind...







(If they ever actually made the playoffs, that is.)

[J-Blaze]

thats a great idea i like gibson, but who would we give up to obtain him?

[Liverbird]

No Curry and no Boobie for me.

If there is one player on a reasonable contract I'd want on this team it's Aaron Afflalo. I think he'd complement Wall quite well. If we can't sign NY1 - Afflalo is the RFA I would go after.

[Dat2U]

Stephen Curry is literally the worst defensive guard in the league. Putting him at the 2 probably means our backcourt gives up 50 points a night.

I'll pass on that one.

No, Curry's teammate Monta Ellis is the worst defensive guard in the league. And it's amazing how Dallas won considering they had Jason Kidd (can't keep anyone in front of him anymore), Juan Barea (all of 5-9 or 5-10) and Jason Terry (a 6-2 shooting guard w/o much of a defensive rep) getting most of the minutes.

Basically, you can hide a poor defending guard in the right system. Curry would be great for this team offensively and with Wall being a legit 6-4 with 2-guard length, we could overcome Curry's defensive deficiencies.

What you can't overcome is a poor defender at the PF/C position. A guy like Antawn Jamison cannot be hidden. A guy like Javale McGee, until he started to make the right rotations, couldn't be hidden.

Curry is certainly one of the worst defenders in the game, and allowing guards dribble penetration causes huge defensive problems for the entire team. Notice GS won a lot more games with Baron Davis teaming with Ellis than they won with Curry teaming with Ellis. I don't think adding Curry would be much of a help for the Wiz and certainly wouldn't come close to being cost effective.

Ok, we know your Curry hate is borderline irrational but again Curry wasn't even the worst defending guard on his team. And maybe the Warriors current struggles have more to do with the fact that Dorrell Wright was pretty much their third best player last year as opposed to those Don Nelson lead years of moderate success which featured a much deeper roster (B. Davis, J. Richardson, S.Jackson, a healthy Biedrins who was actually playing very well at that time, etc).

And you ignored my point about Dallas. Kidd, Terry & Barea aren't very good individual defenders but if you have a solid scheme, coaching and length in the low post to protect the paint you can be quite successful.

[Dat2U]

Stephen Curry is literally the worst defensive guard in the league. Putting him at the 2 probably means our backcourt gives up 50 points a night.

I'll pass on that one.

I tend to agree. Curry is an exceptional offensive player, but alongside Wall, I think we only need to find a decent offensive player who is an exceptional spot up shooter and a solid defender. If Wall can defend the SG position, I think we might be just as successful with somebody like Daniel Gibson instead of Curry. Gibson can nail 3's like nobody's business and he plays much better D than Curry. Don't get me wrong, Curry is a much better overall offensive player than Gibson; he can create his own shot with ease and has better court vision, but those advantages won't be maximized alongside Wall. I'd rather have Gibson's defense while using the resources saved to bolster our frontcourt.

Basically, Gibson is a younger version of Derrick Fisher - somewhat useless as a pure PG, but excellent as a SG in a PG's body playing alongside an elite ballhandling big guard.

I can't even believe this is up for debate. Curry is a much better shooter than Gibson. It's not even close. Gibson, the guy with a career PER of 11.3, shoots .400 from the floor, .403 from 3pt range and has a TS% of .533. He's certainly a solid 3pt shooter but he's a specialist. A spot up shooter. He brings nothing else to the table. The idea that he plays much better D is just not true. He's a defensive liability himself. He's just as undersized as Curry is.

Meanwhile Curry had a PER of 19.4 last season (up from 16.3 his rookie year). He shot .480% from the floor and .442 from 3 pt range and had a TS% of .595. Gibson shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as Curry. Curry IMO could be a legitimate second or third option on a contender. He'd immediately become our second best player behind Wall. Gibson may be the next Derek Fisher but here's a little secret. Derek Fisher isn't very good, lol. Fisher was more valued for his veteran presence and his ability in the clutch than his actual play.

We need legitimate all-star talent. Curry is on the cusp of that as one of the best young guards in the league. We don't need to be looking for the next Derek Fisher at this point. We ain't winning squat right now with Boobie starting at SG. Acquire stars now, worry about role players later.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Seems like just yesterday most Wizard fans who post here were happier with UFAs-to-be Mike Miller and Randy Foye than having Stephen Curry on a rookie deal.