2012 NBA Draft

closg00 · Post #61 » by **closg00** » Sun Nov 6, 2011 2:25 pm

SI article on how the NHL handled their lottery after the lost season.

Should the NBA adopt a similar system, it would be weighted like this:

Three balls: Minnesota, Golden State, New Jersey, Toronto, Sacramento.

Two balls: Detroit, Houston, Indiana, L.A. Clippers, Milwaukee, New York, Charlotte, Phoenix, Memphis, Washington.

One ball: Chicago, Cleveland, Dallas, Denver, L.A. Lakers, Oklahoma City, Philadelphia, Portland, San Antonio, Utah, Atlanta, Miami, Orlando, New Orleans, Boston.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/w ... z1cw1otxMY

fishercob · Post #62 » by **fishercob** » Mon Nov 7, 2011 3:27 pm

I have a good friend on the Catholic U staff. They were down in Gainesville last week playing FLorida in an exhibition. Billy Donovan Jr goes to Catholic.

My buddy says not only does Brad Beal look unbelievable, he says that COach Donovan said Beal is far better than the coaching staff even realized. My buddy said the elevation on his jumper is unreal.

FWIW my guy says that Patrick Young is huge but still raw and several years and lots of hard work away from impact that the pro level. He couldn't believe Beal though.

It furthers my infatuation with Beal as a long term back court mate for Wall...

Post #63 » by **LyricalRico** » Mon Nov 7, 2011 7:49 pm

Should the NBA adopt a similar system, it would be weighted like this:

Four balls: Washington

Three balls: Minnesota, Golden State, New Jersey, Toronto, Sacramento.

Two balls: Detroit, Houston, Indiana, L.A. Clippers, Milwaukee, New York, Charlotte, Phoenix, Memphis.

One ball: Chicago, Cleveland, Dallas, Denver, L.A. Lakers, Oklahoma City, Philadelphia, Portland, San Antonio, Utah, Atlanta, Miami, Orlando, New Orleans, Boston.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/w ... z1cw1otxMY

Fixed.

fishercob · Post #64 » by **fishercob** » Tue Nov 8, 2011 3:09 pm

Ric Bucher tweets:

Ric Bucher
Likeliest NBA draft order formula if no season: 3 seasons aggregated for order, then lottery for worst 14. Slightly weighted in other ways.

Obviously the devil is in the "other ways," but if the Wiz aren't dinged too severely for winning the Wall lottery, this could be a dream scenario. They'd have the third highest odds and likely a worst case of picking sixth -- where the 6th pick stands to be much better than it was this year. Potentially a 47% chance of a top 3 pick (presumably some order of Drummond, Davis, Barnes), 22.6% of 4th, 26.5% of 5th and just a 4% chance of 6th. Worst case scenario would seem to be guys like Sullinger, Beal, Perry Jones, Q. Miller, Lamb, etc. Not too shabby.

theboomking · Post #65 » by **theboomking** » Tue Nov 8, 2011 6:14 pm

fishercob wrote:I have a good friend on the Catholic U staff. They were down in Gainesville last week playing FLorida in an exhibition. Billy Donovan Jr goes to Catholic.

My buddy says not only does Brad Beal look unbelievable, he says that COach Donovan said Beal is far better than the coaching staff even realized. My buddy said the elevation on his jumper is unreal.

FWIW my guy says that Patrick Young is huge but still raw and several years and lots of hard work away from impact that the pro level. He couldn't believe Beal though.

It furthers my infatuation with Beal as a long term back court mate for Wall...

I really like Beal. He is a prospect that will almost certainly be very, very efficient offensively, but is also smart, a good passer, won in H.S. and with the Team USA squad, and has underrated athleticism.

dangermouse · Post #66 » by **dangermouse** » Wed Nov 9, 2011 6:01 am

fishercob wrote:Ric Bucher tweets:

Ric Bucher
Likeliest NBA draft order formula if no season: 3 seasons aggregated for order, then lottery for worst 14. Slightly weighted in other ways.

Obviously the devil is in the "other ways," but if the Wiz aren't dinged too severely for winning the Wall lottery, this could be a dream scenario. They'd have the third highest odds and likely a worst case of picking sixth -- where the 6th pick stands to be much better than it was this year. Potentially a 47% chance of a top 3 pick (presumably some order of Drummond, Davis, Barnes), 22.6% of 4th, 26.5% of 5th and just a 4% chance of 6th. Worst case scenario would seem to be guys like Sullinger, Beal, Perry Jones, Q. Miller, Lamb, etc. Not too shabby.

Hell yes. I think a cancelled season actually helps us more than playing out the rest of the games... especially with how Wall has been balling. Maybe winning the lotto two drafts ago counts less than winning it a season ago... and we picked 5th and 6th in the other drafts around the Wall draft right? That Wall draft is the only weighting that could be added to our combined record, so I think odds are we still end up with a top 3 pick.

And how salty would you be as a Cavs fan... they would be in very late lotto-mid first area with their LeBron-era records included plus winning the lotto last year.

fishercob · Post #67 » by **fishercob** » Wed Nov 9, 2011 1:52 pm

dangermouse, I'm excited to see Wall's progress too. But I'm not worried that the Wizards are going to hurt their lottery position by playing this year. They're still crazy young, terrible inefficient on offense, poor on the boards and play mediocre defense at best. They'll stink this year. That's ok.

Post #68 » by **Ruzious** » Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:50 pm

Dat2U wrote:Top 4 or 5 pick would be great but honestly I'm praying for the top 2. Davis or Drummond gives us that potential championship big that barelyawake has been looking for.

Barely would definitely say this is the year to tank.

Harrison Barnes might not be bad consolation prize as a 3rd pick. Especially if the reports are true that his ballhandling has improved greatly this offseason. Admittedly I like his approach & deameanor to the game. His work ethic is apparently beyond reproach and that would certainly fit well with Wall.

After the top 3 there's a drop off although I supposed one of the elite freshman could emerge or a guy like Perry Jones III could take it to another level.

Yeah, after watching video of Kentucky's 2 exhibition games, I'm agreeing with you that it's top 2 and then a drop. To me, Drummond is still the clear top pick, but you can see Davis has already gotten a lot stronger since the HS all-star games, still has the ridiculous speed for a 6'10 kid, and really has a great feel for the game. Picture Joe Smith as a frosh - just better with a bigger frame... and Joe Smith was a helluva frosh - but he never had the frame to gain enough strength to be a top NBA PF. I think Davis does. Pen him in as the #2 pick in the 2012 draft.

7-Day Dray · Post #69 » by **7-Day Dray** » Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:46 pm

Yeah Davis has really impressed me so far. I thought he was kind of overrated as a prospect before the seasons started, but he's showing me some stuff. He's an excellent athlete that runs the floor like a deer, and very impressive physically with good height and great length. He has great shot-blocking instincts, and his length enables him to even block shots from the perimeter. He also has a solid handle for someone his size and even saw him ignite the break a couple of times in the previous exhibtion. I don't think he'll be able to play SF like some others think, but that handle can become valuable, especially if he wants to improve his face-up game.

Of course the obvious is that he needs to put on some more muscle mass, but he already looks a little stronger, and I think he'll be able to fill out in time.

daSwami · Post #70 » by **daSwami** » Fri Nov 11, 2011 3:15 pm

I'm drooling over Drummond (who isn't), but I like that Sullinger's stock is dropping. He's probably the most skilled PF since ... ) can't think of anyone). I'd be thrilled if we got him. Barnes, too. And don't forget Perry Jones was once one of the most coveted HS recruits of all time. I think he was mentored by Shard Lewis iirc.

On a side note: Baylor's gong to be fun to watch this year (ala phi slamma jamma.)

fishercob · Post #71 » by **fishercob** » Fri Nov 11, 2011 4:36 pm

Drummond mix tape. Lots of Chris Webber in there.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXB6vc5Z_A4[/youtube]

Post #72 » by **Ruzious** » Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:10 pm

The Webber comp works, but it's scary, because Webber was the most physically gifted college PF frosh I've ever seen - as he was already fully grown then. Drummond is already bigger than Webber ever got, and he might not be done growing. He's in the Superman mold.

7-Day Dray · Post #73 » by **7-Day Dray** » Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:14 pm

I see the Webber comparison with the ball-handling and passing. Can't wait to see him play tonight!

Post #74 » by **Rafael122** » Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:39 am

UNC/Michigan State on ESPN right now. Check out John Henson, Harrison Barnes, and Tyler Zeller.

Post #75 » by **Ruzious** » Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:59 am

Rafael122 wrote:UNC/Michigan State on ESPN right now. Check out John Henson, Harrison Barnes, and Tyler Zeller.

And UNC has arguably the best returning pure PG in the nation. The college game has become diluted with 1 and doners, but wow - UNC is ridiculously talented - even their backups are HS All-Americans. That team is sik!

Post #76 » by **Ruzious** » Sat Nov 12, 2011 1:47 am

In that game, I'm very impressed with Branden Dawson of Michigan State. He reminds a little of a young Gerald Wallace - with his explosive athleticism. Plus, he hit a jump shot - I don't think Wallace made any in college.

dangermouse · Post #77 » by **dangermouse** » Sat Nov 12, 2011 2:55 am

Id take on a crappy contract or even move someone like Blatche if it gets us a mid first or if we are lucky a late lotto pick in the 2012 draft. If it stays stacked and the age limit isnt introduced there will be difference makers there to take. We could go into 12-13 with a 6th-7th seed team...

Imagine if we got lucky enough to get Barnes AND Sullinger, probably a pipe dream as Sully probably wouldnt fall that low...

Wall
Young
Barnes
Sullinger
McGee................................

Welcome to sorcery team and championship time.

7-Day Dray · Post #78 » by **7-Day Dray** » Sat Nov 12, 2011 3:14 am

Jeremy Lamb played well. His stroke looked on point, was moving well without the ball, played the passing lanes, and had a sick poster.

Meanwhile, Drummond underwhelmed. He didn't get that much PT, and got in foul trouble early in the 1st. He still doesn't know how to use his strength to his advantage. He only took 1 FG, and he was on the right block, and instead of trying to get good position and back him down, he settle for a turnaround jumpshot. It also doesn't seem like he has very good fundamentals on D, and looked a little slow recovering to his man on PNR's. And he got hit on that broken nose in the last minute, and had to leave the game. But going to college this year was a good decision. Instead of dominating HS scrubs and people smaller than him, it's not going to be easy for him in the Big East, and he'll have to work harder. He still looks pretty raw though, and has a steep learning curve, but I'm sure he'll get better and more comfortable. And he runs kind of like Chris Bosh lol. Take that as you want it.

Dat2U · Post #79 » by **Dat2U** » Sat Nov 12, 2011 5:25 am

sn_nba Sporting News NBA
Source: 20-year-old age limit part of owners' proposal dlvr.it/vhC3M

Yikes! The 2012 draft just got a lot weaker.

Dat2U · Post #80 » by **Dat2U** » Sat Nov 12, 2011 5:28 am

Speaking of 20 yr olds, Is John Henson the next Marcus Camby? Doesn't look so malnourished anymore. Had like 9 blocks tonight.