Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part VIII

[fishercob]

I'm sorry we can't all hum lullabies and sing kumbaya while praising the brilliant work of Ernie & the crew here. If you can find a place where that occurs, please let me know. I'd love to see it.

HERE.

[DCZards]

I'm sorry we can't all hum lullabies and sing kumbaya while praising the brilliant work of Ernie & the crew here. If you can find a place where that occurs, please let me know. I'd love to see it.

Dat, once again you've taken my words out of context in order to draw your own predictable and familiar conclusion. But I'm used to it.

[Benjammin]

Don't worry about tomorrow and the boards during the draft. They crash every year it seems and then at some point they're available again later that night. I suggest a chat room as a backup for the die hard draftniks.

[Dat2U]

Wally Szczerbiak just said on 106.7 that Otto is the best fit but Anthony Bennett has top 3 star potential in the draft. He wants Otto but thinks Bennett is the star!

I think Wally has it right. I'd like to see the Zards draft Porter but I wouldn't be disappointed if they picked Bennett. Bennett has his share of flaws (effort on D, maturity, size for a PF, possible weight issues) but his upside trumps Otto's, imo.

I'm betting that a lot of the posters stressing out over Bennett's "red flags" are the same ones who were overly concerned about Drummond's so-called red flags.

Nothing like current and former players offering opinions on prospects. Who would know more about whether a prospect could succeed than a former player, right?

Too bad MJ is a GM, he'd be great guy to ask. What about Reggie Miller who said unequivocally that Evan Turner was a better draft pick than John Wall? He obviously knows his stuff too?

Oh and please note, Andre Drummond was my 4th rated prospect on my final draft board. Only behind Davis, MKG & Beal... so obviously I wasn't concerned about his issues as much as Bennett's. Hell, if Bennett's physical profile was like Drummond's we might be having a slightly different conversation here.

[Dat2U]

I'm sorry we can't all hum lullabies and sing kumbaya while praising the brilliant work of Ernie & the crew here. If you can find a place where that occurs, please let me know. I'd love to see it.

HERE.

LOL!!!! Got me!

[LyricalRico]

Hell, if Bennett's physical profile was like Drummond's we might be having a slightly different conversation here.

Yep, his flaws would be easier to overlook if he was 6'10. But he's not.

EDIT: And actually his size would be easier to overlook if he played defense. But he doesn't.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I believe a circular discourse is going on. Porter or Bennett seems to be almost groupthink. I don't think either is the best pick by such a wide margin that they are all that is being discussed.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla ... ter-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla ... ett-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla ... nyk-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla ... ler-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla ... ers-1.html

It i were GM i'd trade down for Olynyk and also try to acquire Ilyasova or Derrick Williams plus another pick. With that pick I would select Wolters.

I think Zeller is a much better pick than Bennett.

I don't have any problem with Porter as the pick but I think he takes away Webster and Ariza from established, effective roles.

[stevemcqueen1]

I think the opposite. I don't think he needs to open up new areas of his game but rather really hone in on what he does well. He needs to work on his spot up shooting to finish kick-outs. Nobody was clamoring for Bruce Bowen to create space and opportunities off the dribble.

You want Otto to be more than Bruce Bowen. IMO he has the potential to be a great offensive player, much better than Tayshaun Prince or Bowen or Leonard. He's got those kinds of scoring instincts and he's skilled. He gets to the FT line like a star and he has the experience of being the #1 guy on his team, elevating them from a mediocre high major team to a 2 seed and conference champion.

I want to see him build his base and get more explosive and get better at finnishing through contact and I want to see him get better shooting off the dribble to the point where he's a knock down guy like Beal. Or close to Beal anyway. If he did that, he could give us a monster three headed attack from the perimeter and be so much more than just a three and D role player.

[Higga]

I don't mind trading down but I don't see many teams wanting to trade up in a draft that's so weak at the top. Besides, do we really trust Ernie to make a good deal in regards to a trade? I'd rather he just stick at 3 where he can only make one bad move instead of potentially two.

[Dat2U]

I don't have any problem with Porter as the pick but I think he takes away Webster and Ariza from established, effective roles.

I just don't believe you can make decisions in a vacuum like that, especially with a high draft pick. Webster is a UFA. Regardless of what's been said, it's no lock he'd be back next season. Secondly, he was a minimum FA signing last season. He's not irreplaceable and coming off a career year it's no guarantee he'd duplicate that performance in the future or even stay healthy considering his injury plagued career.

Ariza is an expiring contract and is best served coming off the bench.

There's certainly room to draft a long term option at the 3 when the future of the position is unsettled to begin with.

[Ruzious]

I believe a circular discourse is going on. Porter or Bennett seems to be almost groupthink. I don't think either is the best pick by such a wide margin that they are all that is being discussed.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla ... ter-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla ... ett-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla ... nyk-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla ... ler-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla ... ers-1.html

It i were GM i'd trade down for Olynyk and also try to acquire Ilyasova or Derrick Williams plus another pick. With that pick I would select Wolters.

I think Zeller is a much better pick than Bennett.

I don't have any problem with Porter as the pick but I think he takes away Webster and Ariza from established, effective roles.

Careful. You're not supposed to agree with me. It means you're groupthinking.

[stevemcqueen1]

When's the draft again?

Tomorrow, all of this will be over.

I doubt it. If the choice is between Bennett or Porter, and one of them ends up a lot better, and we pick the worse won, it'll be a long time before people get over it.

[WizarDynasty]

Code: Select all

Name--   Gs   FTA   Reb   Blk   Off   Hus   Deft   Total
porter-   33   -84   225   27   2.55   6.82   0.82   10.18
porter2   31   157   233   28   5.06   7.52   0.90   13.48
klnard1   34   117   336   24   3.44   9.88   0.71   14.03
klnard2   36   145   380   21   4.03   10.6   0.58   15.17
bennet-   35   177   285   43   5.06   8.14   1.23   14.43
zeller-   36   216   236   42   6.00   6.56   1.17   13.72
zeller2   36   259   289   45   7.19   8.03   1.25   16.47
adams---   32   70   203   65   2.19   6.34   2.03   10.56
len-----   22   46   119   47   2.09   5.41   2.14   9.64
len---2   38   153   298   78   4.03   7.84   2.05   13.92
olynk---   35   68   133   5-   1.94   3.80   0.14   5.89
olynk-1   32   170   235   36   5.31   7.34   1.13   13.78
noel---   24   104   227   106   4.3   9.46   4.42   18.21


Last 5-                        
Porter-   -5   -29   -35   --3   5.80   7.00   0.60   13.40
leonard   -5   -12   -44   --3   2.40   8.80   0.60   11.80
Bennet-   -5   -22   -35   --3   4.40   7.00   0.60   12.00
Zeller2   -5   -31   -39   --4   6.20   7.80   0.80   14.80
Adams--   -5   -14   -31   -12   2.8-   6.20   2.40   11.40
len----   -5   -27   -34   -15   5.4-   6.80   3.00   15.20
olynk-1   -5   -34   -50   --2   6.80   10.0   0.40   17.20
noel---   -5   -37   -51   -26   7.4-   10.2   5.20   22.80
               
Name---   Gs   FTA   Reb   Blk   Off---   Hus   Deft   Total
timdunc2   32   159   401   135   4.97   12.5   4.22   21.72
timdunc4   31   269   457   102   8.68   14.7   3.29   26.71
canthon-   35   238   349   -30   6.80   9.97   0.86   17.63
ppierc1-   34   137   180   -27   4.03   5.29   0.79   10.12
ppierc2-   38   221   253   -43   5.82   6.66   1.13   13.61
olajuwn-   34   232   500   140   6.8   14.71   4.12   25.65
cbarkly1   28   107   275   -51   3.82   9.82   1.82   15.46
cbarkly3   28   145   266   -49   5.18   9.50   1.75   16.43
pgeorge2   29   132   210   -24   4.55   7.24   0.83   12.62
mcgee1--   33   -34   -72   -30   1.03   2.18   0.91   4.12-
mcgee2--   33   141   242   -92   4.27   7.33   2.79   14.39
singleto   28   126   191   -41   4.50   6.82   1.46   12.79



I would say that Leonard has always had more offensive potential than Porter. Porter had slightly more defensive potential but overall, Leonard had way more potential. Leonard was 15.07 and had ranking of a star porter with his 13.48 was pretty crappy considering he was the go to man. Bennett's 1.23 defensive rating ability was higher than both leonard and porter. I didn't like the fact that Porter didn't surpass his average during the last five games of the season...equivalent to the playoffs in the nba. Zeller actually crumbled and fell below his average during tough competition dropping from 16.27 star rating to just below star level of 14.80. Maybe more favorable calls in his conference compared to neutral play. Len seems to have boosted up from his average of 13.92 to 15.20 in last five games but suffered a stress factor when he tried to up his play. Olynk seems to have pushed his play up moving from 13.78 to 17.20 which is pretty impressive but considering that he is a junior, it really makes it alot less impressive. Adams seems to boosted his ability during crunch play in freshman year boosting from 10.56 to 11.40. Leonard actually dropped his ability under pressure from 15.17 to 11.80 during his final five college games. Guess it explains why he didn't rise to become a star and lead san antonio in game 7.

Ultimately, the hardest player to find is a player who was a superior shot blocker in college but also got to the free throw over 200 times. Only a few cases of this ever happening.

shows just how crappy this draft is if you look at the franchise front court players in previous drafts.

[theGreatRC]

Don't know if this has been posted yet, but...

Beal knows both Porter and Bennett but deferred to the front office on the decision. Wall didn’t make a specific choice but has repeatedly stated his desire to have a “stretch four” or “pick-and-pop” big man to spread the floor and create space. Bennett would appear to be the meet that criteria with his sophisticated offensive game and ability to score from all parts of the floor.

Wonder if Ernie would still take D-Will and 9. You still get your stretch 4 plus another pick to fill another hole or package the 9 with another player..

[fishercob]

I believe a circular discourse is going on.

You don't say! That almost never happens here. On an unrelated note, I wonder what people think about trading Rashard Lewis and a 2nd round pick for Okafor and Ariza.

It i were GM i'd trade down for Olynyk and also try to acquire Ilyasova or Derrick Williams plus another pick. With that pick I would select Wolters.

I think Zeller is a much better pick than Bennett.

I don't have any problem with Porter as the pick but I think he takes away Webster and Ariza from established, effective roles.

This is the first I have heard of any of this! Tell me more....



Less than 33 hours, my friends.....

[stevemcqueen1]

Hell, if Bennett's physical profile was like Drummond's we might be having a slightly different conversation here.

Yep, his flaws would be easier to overlook if he was 6'10. But he's not.

EDIT: And actually his size would be easier to overlook if he played defense. But he doesn't.

On the flip side, Drummond would be a lot easier to get behind too if he could do anything with the ball in his hands other than dunk.

[Dat2U]

I believe a circular discourse is going on. Porter or Bennett seems to be almost groupthink. I don't think either is the best pick by such a wide margin that they are all that is being discussed.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla ... ter-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla ... ett-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla ... nyk-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla ... ler-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla ... ers-1.html

It i were GM i'd trade down for Olynyk and also try to acquire Ilyasova or Derrick Williams plus another pick. With that pick I would select Wolters.

I think Zeller is a much better pick than Bennett.

I don't have any problem with Porter as the pick but I think he takes away Webster and Ariza from established, effective roles.

Careful. You're not supposed to agree with me. It means you're groupthinking.

And I agree with this as well. I'd take Zeller before I'd take Bennett.

In fact, I'd take Olynyk before Bennett.

[Knighthonor]

To go back and draft another immature but talented player with a top 3 choice makes absolutely no sense to me considering what this organization has been through the past decade under Ernie.

Too bad Ernie is still here and will always be here.

Where is this idea that Bennett is immature coming from?

[tontoz]

Don't know if this has been posted yet, but...

Beal knows both Porter and Bennett but deferred to the front office on the decision. Wall didn’t make a specific choice but has repeatedly stated his desire to have a “stretch four” or “pick-and-pop” big man to spread the floor and create space. Bennett would appear to be the meet that criteria with his sophisticated offensive game and ability to score from all parts of the floor.

Wonder if Ernie would still take D-Will and 9. You still get your stretch 4 plus another pick to fill another hole or package the 9 with another player..

A stretch 4 has to be able to actually make jumpers, not just take them. So far DWill's jumper doesn't qualify him as a stretch 4.

[tontoz]

According for Ford the Bobcats GM is pushing hard for Zeller but is getting a lot of resistance.