Official Trade Thread - Part XXIV

[deneem4]

We really need illyasova now...NENE has to go...trade him to Celtics!!! For jeff green

[gambitx777]

Call the Bucks and offer Ariza + future 1st rounder (minimum top 10 protected if 2014) for Ilyasova? Or take back Gooden's salary? I'd do it.

Gooden for Ariza stright up? I mean gooden will ust sit on the bench any way.

BTW boston is not taking NENE. I would offer him NENE and Ariza for Pau ? If they want do MWP for Jan and Chris ?

[Woody Ball]

Does' Ariza's value peak this offseason, or during the season as in-year defensive help + expiring? I'm guessing we'll see teams who are trying to get under the cap more in-season, and thus might be willing to do more to get there.

I'd love to see a stretch 4 for Ariza. Of course, I'd also like Tiago Splitter, so maybe my opinion just doesn't matter. lol

[fishercob]

Call the Bucks and offer Ariza + future 1st rounder (minimum top 10 protected if 2014) for Ilyasova? Or take back Gooden's salary? I'd do it.

Yeah man. Maybe with drafting Giannis they are finally up for taking a longer term view. I'd offer Ariza +Vesely + Rice (Hammond and Drew are already saying they know they need a SG) for Gooden and Ersan. If they want our protected first next year they can keep Gooden.

[GhostsOfGil]

We have a huge log jam on the wing and are VERY thin up front. Ariza for Milsap would be awesome but does it work cap wise?

[jivelikenice]

You could make it work if you get Milisap to agree to come. I can see Utah helping fascilitate a deal if a '14 1st rd pick is on the table. Ariza and one of the young PFs should get it done in terms of matching salary.

I'd also rech out to Philly for Than Young. He's not a true strtech 4 but can shoot from 18 ft and in and would be a good 1st big off the bench. Philly is tanking so maybe they agree to move him?

[rockymac52]

We have a huge log jam on the wing and are VERY thin up front. Ariza for Milsap would be awesome but does it work cap wise?

It would have to be a sign and trade. Therefore, it would depend on what salary we negotiated with Millsap. If it was within 125% of Ariza's $7.7 million this year, then we could do it straight up. If Millsap costs a little bit more, in the $9-11 million range, then we could just add in Vesely or Singleton to make it work.

But we would probably have to include a more legitimate asset to make them budge. Yeah, Millsap's probably leaving either way, so they'd be getting Ariza for a year instead of nothing, but they seem to be pretty content passively tanking this coming season, and I doubt Ariza would be a part of their future plans, and he'd only improve their record in the short-term. A protected 2014 1st would definitely be enough to make it happen, but I'm not sure that's worth it for us.

I'm very open to the general principal of such a trade though. The ONLY downside from the way I see it is that it would eat into our cap room next summer, and we probably wouldn't be able to afford a max contract player anymore. So it kinda boils down to taking Millsap now, or being patient for a year and crossing our fingers that we can land a better big man free agent next summer. Are you feeling lucky?

[Dat2U]

If I'm the Wizards, I would be targeting these four guys hard this offseason to be a starter next season at PF (and slide Nene to 6th man status as the 1st big off the bench:

1. Ersan Ilyasova
2. Paul Millsap (sign & trade)
3. Ryan Anderson
4. Carl Landry (sign & trade)

The assets of course would be the expiring contracts of Ariza, Seraphin, Vesely, Booker & Singleton. And most importantly, the 2014 1st rounder. With the exception of Landry, I'd be more than willing to include the '14 1st rounder if were adding a real quality player.

[mhd]

If I'm the Wizards, I would be targeting these four guys hard this offseason to be a starter next season at PF (and slide Nene to 6th man status as the 1st big off the bench:

1. Ersan Ilyasova
2. Paul Millsap (sign & trade)
3. Ryan Anderson
4. Carl Landry (sign & trade)

The assets of course would be the expiring contracts of Ariza, Seraphin, Vesely, Booker & Singleton. And most importantly, the 2014 1st rounder. With the exception of Landry, I'd be more than willing to include the '14 1st rounder if were adding a real quality player.

I doubt NO trades Ryan Anderson. They just made a "win now" move with the Holliday pick. They want their pick to be as high as possible. Illyasova is interesting, but these moves would prevent us from getting a max contract in the summer of 2014. Its our last chance before Wall's (and Beal's) extensions kick in. Its a debate to have for sure.

What about Hawes as a target? He's expiring. He's a PERFECT fit as a stretch big. I figure the WIz are locked in as a playoff team next year.

1) Miami
2) Indy
3) Nets
4) Bulls
5) Knicks
6) Wiz
7) Raps
8) Cavs
9) Detroit
10) Hawks (could be lower if they let Smith go and don't sign anyone)
11) Celtics
12) Magic
13) Bucks
14) 76ers
15) Bobcats

The 6th place finish is equated roughly to the 17th pick in a draft. I'd look to move it if we got an established player (I'd make it lotto protected). If we traded it for a longterm vet, then we destroy any cap flexibility unless we move Nene.

[jivelikenice]

If I'm the Wizards, I would be targeting these four guys hard this offseason to be a starter next season at PF (and slide Nene to 6th man status as the 1st big off the bench:

1. Ersan Ilyasova
2. Paul Millsap (sign & trade)
3. Ryan Anderson
4. Carl Landry (sign & trade)

The assets of course would be the expiring contracts of Ariza, Seraphin, Vesely, Booker & Singleton. And most importantly, the 2014 1st rounder. With the exception of Landry, I'd be more than willing to include the '14 1st rounder if were adding a real quality player.

Agree on all except for Landry. He's just not someone I'd want to tie up long-term money in. And I also agree a 1st should be included to entice teams. What about Thad Young? Not the traditional stretch 4 but a guy who produces...

[Dat2U]

If we traded it for a longterm vet, then we destroy any cap flexibility unless we move Nene.

Bingo... Move Nene while we still can. At best I view Nene as a 6th man because of his injuries and inability to play heavy minutes. $13 mil+ is a lot of coin to be paying for a guy that's basically a part time player at this stage of his career. Get an expiring for Nene and you have the freedom to improve this offseason while still keeping an eye on next year too.

[mhd]

Honestly, I'd probably make a trade like Ariza+Ves+Singleton+2014 (top 8 protected) for Hawes+Thad Young. Resign Webster and Price, and you have:

PG: Wall/Price
SG: Beal/Webster/Rice
SF: Webster/Porter
PF: Nene/Young
C: Emeka/Hawes

[mhd]

If we traded it for a longterm vet, then we destroy any cap flexibility unless we move Nene.

Bingo... Move Nene while we still can. At best I view Nene as a 6th man because of his injuries and inability to play heavy minutes. $13 mil+ is a lot of coin to be paying for a guy that's basically a part time player at this stage of his career. Get an expiring for Nene and you have the freedom to improve this offseason while still keeping an eye on next year too.

With the Humphries trade, I don't see anyone trading only expirings for Nene (The Nets were the only desperate team to do so). I think he's our future center.

[fishercob]

Honestly, I'd probably make a trade like Ariza+Ves+Singleton+2014 (top 8 protected) for Hawes+Thad Young. Resign Webster and Price, and you have:

PG: Wall/Price
SG: Beal/Webster/Rice
SF: Webster/Porter
PF: Nene/Young
C: Emeka/Hawes

That's fantastic.

[GhostsOfGil]

If I'm the Wizards, I would be targeting these four guys hard this offseason to be a starter next season at PF (and slide Nene to 6th man status as the 1st big off the bench:

1. Ersan Ilyasova
2. Paul Millsap (sign & trade)
3. Ryan Anderson
4. Carl Landry (sign & trade)

I like this list. If we can acquire any one of these guys I will feel much better about our draft choices but all 4 of these guys look like unrealistic targets given our available assets.

[mhd]

What about this deal:

Wiz trade 2014 1st (lotto protected)+Vesely+Singleton for Jason Smith+Vasquez?

NO replaces their lost 2014 1st with a pick in the 14-20 range. WIz get a MUCH needed combo guard in GV and a stretch big in Jason Smith while not hurting future cap flexibility.

[fishercob]

Honestly, I'd probably make a trade like Ariza+Ves+Singleton+2014 (top 8 protected) for Hawes+Thad Young. Resign Webster and Price, and you have:

PG: Wall/Price
SG: Beal/Webster/Rice
SF: Webster/Porter
PF: Nene/Young
C: Emeka/Hawes

That's fantastic.

To add a bit on Thad. I was suggesting him in late April when it looked like we were going to pick 8th and were noodling trading out:

He's about to turn 25. 6'8" 220 lb forward.
He's signed for 3 more years at $8.9M, $9.4M and $10M (ETO)

One thing I find curious about him is that in his second and third years in the league he shot a respectable 34% and 35% from 3 as a 20 and 21 year old. Then -- presumably on Doug Collins' orders -- he stopped shooting 3's altogether for the last 3 seasons. I think the much better move would be for him to refine that craft and see if I could get up closer to 40%.If so, he'd be a great Ariza replacement after this upcoming season.

So I wonder if there's untapped value there. He's not cheap, for sure, but I can see scenarios in which he'd be worth his contract...

I think there's reason to believe he could be enough of a stretch four. Look at how he and Ilyasova compared in 09-10, the last year Thad was allowed to shoot 3's.

Yes, Ilyasova dominated him on the glass, but they were identical elsewhere. Young should have spent his offseasons shooting 1000 3's a day. Instead, Philly neutered him.

For his career he has a better TS% than Ilyasova and marginally better block/steal numbers. No, he's not a rim protector and he's going to struggle with Zach Randolph. But I think he's a good player, and if used properly might be a very good player. I think he could be a primary defender of big wings/small 4's.

[bpcox05]

What about a trade with the Kings?

Jason Thompson
Jimmer Fredette

for

Trevor Ariza
Chris Singleton

Wizards get a young big in Thompson who is a perfect third big off the bench. He can play either PF or C with his athleticism and weight. He doesn't do any one thing particularly great, but he does everything well. He doesn't really have a weakness in his game, but he just doesn't have any elite skills.

Fredette would be a nice backup for Wall. He can come in for 10 minutes a game and provide floor spacing and scoring.

Kings help free up the log jam they created at guard, and help fill strengthen their SF position.

[GhostsOfGil]

What about a trade with the Kings?

Jason Thompson
Jimmer Fredette

for

Trevor Ariza
Chris Singleton

Wizards get a young big in Thompson who is a perfect third big off the bench. He can play either PF or C with his athleticism and weight. He doesn't do any one thing particularly great, but he does everything well. He doesn't really have a weakness in his game, but he just doesn't have any elite skills.

Fredette would be a nice backup for Wall. He can come in for 10 minutes a game and provide floor spacing and scoring.

Kings help free up the log jam they created at guard, and help fill strengthen their SF position.

I like it. I think Kings would want more though.

[bpcox05]

What about a trade with the Kings?

Jason Thompson
Jimmer Fredette

for

Trevor Ariza
Chris Singleton

Wizards get a young big in Thompson who is a perfect third big off the bench. He can play either PF or C with his athleticism and weight. He doesn't do any one thing particularly great, but he does everything well. He doesn't really have a weakness in his game, but he just doesn't have any elite skills.

Fredette would be a nice backup for Wall. He can come in for 10 minutes a game and provide floor spacing and scoring.

Kings help free up the log jam they created at guard, and help fill strengthen their SF position.

I like it. I think Kings would want more though.

I'm a Kings fan proposing this deal. This trade helps us get rid of one our guards and allows us the cap relief of moving Thompson's contract (although I think it is a very reasonable contract for his skill level). Ariza will help out with the SF position this year and will be off the books next year. Next offseason we can address the SF position again when there are many quality SF free agents available. All the while we keep Singleton who I think can be a serviceable backup SF one day.