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Re: Predict the Eastern Conference Standings 2013/14 

Post#61 » by hands11 » Sat Oct 12, 2013 5:24 pm

mhd wrote:I love how Jalen says Ves is a bust. Face it hands, everyone except clueless EG knows he's a bust.


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Most if not everyone here thought/thinks #6 was to high for him and wanted a different player or something different done with that pick.

My views on Ves are in the Ves thread. If you want to act like a rss on the board and try to call someone out like this ( what motivated I have not idea ) get your facts straight first. If not, it a huge fail like this was.

Like I said, I like Simmons. I hope he is wrong about Ves and he builds a useful baseline in his 3rd year. He still has a chance to do it. I and several others here have detailed how. Ves isn't void of any positive attributes. 7-0, 7-1, can run, sets picks, he rolls, quick outlets, dunks, blocks some shots and moves the ball. His perimeter D isn't bad. He is a glue guy and that why I think his best chance to grow is with Wall, Beal, Trevor A or Webster, Ves, and Nene. He needs to rebound better and consistently, foul less and make free throws. If he can do those things, he can play in that line up. And if he can do that, he buy time to develop some offense... a mig range, a one dribble slash dunk, a post more.. something.

He rebounded well last game. To many fouls. I'm pulling for the young man. You can cheer for him to fail. Thats up to you.
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Re: Predict the Eastern Conference Standings 2013/14 

Post#62 » by closg00 » Sat Oct 12, 2013 6:40 pm

It was very strange to me that Randy Wittman brought Nene back into the game in the fourth quarter of yesterday's preseason game against the Brooklyn Nets. I know Wittman said there would be no minutes restrictions for him, but what was the point of stretching him in a meaningless situation?

Now, I'm even more puzzled. In an interview with CSN Washington, Nene said he still feels sore and would like to play fewer minutes in Brazil and going forward. (Emphasis mine)

"No, no no no," Nene said quickly to CSN Washington, though with a smile, about playing more Saturday when the Wizards face the Chicago Bulls in Rio de Janeiro. "I don't worry about minutes even in Brazil because I'm a pro. I don't want to get sore, get hurt. I still have a couple of issues. Just because I feel better, they think I feel great but they're wrong. We need to reduce (it) a couple minutes.

"My knee is still sore. My foot still hurts a little bit. Just trying to push (through)," said Nene, who didn't play basketball during the off-season and opted for rehabilitation. "The therapy is making me feel better."

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2013/10/9 ... estriction


Nene is pushing-through pain after one pre-season game, it's going to be a looong season :noway:
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Re: Predict the Eastern Conference Standings 2013/14 

Post#63 » by Ruzious » Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:29 pm

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It was very strange to me that Randy Wittman brought Nene back into the game in the fourth quarter of yesterday's preseason game against the Brooklyn Nets. I know Wittman said there would be no minutes restrictions for him, but what was the point of stretching him in a meaningless situation?

Now, I'm even more puzzled. In an interview with CSN Washington, Nene said he still feels sore and would like to play fewer minutes in Brazil and going forward. (Emphasis mine)

"No, no no no," Nene said quickly to CSN Washington, though with a smile, about playing more Saturday when the Wizards face the Chicago Bulls in Rio de Janeiro. "I don't worry about minutes even in Brazil because I'm a pro. I don't want to get sore, get hurt. I still have a couple of issues. Just because I feel better, they think I feel great but they're wrong. We need to reduce (it) a couple minutes.

"My knee is still sore. My foot still hurts a little bit. Just trying to push (through)," said Nene, who didn't play basketball during the off-season and opted for rehabilitation. "The therapy is making me feel better."

http://www.bulletsforever.com/2013/10/9 ... estriction


Nene is pushing-through pain after one pre-season game, it's going to be a looong season :noway:

And honestly - What's his motivation to push through pain - knowing the Wiz aren't going anywhere this season unless they make a huge move - which they show no inclination to do?
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Re: Predict the Eastern Conference Standings 2013/14 

Post#64 » by LyricalRico » Sun Oct 13, 2013 12:14 am

montestewart wrote:
LyricalRico wrote:^ Agree, nate. I've said similar things about Cleveland - that the Kyrie Irving hype is making their moves look better than they are. I think they'll be an improved team, but not 20 wins more (which has only happened like once in history, with Duncan I think).

As for Toronto, I haven't really thought about them much. They've got some interesting pieces but without a star to carry them, they aren't going anywhere.

Spurs also did it in Robinson's rookie year, and Celtics did it twice, in Bird's rookie year and again when they added Garnett and Allen. Can't think of any others. Oh wait, Bucks when they added Jabbar. Wonder what Warriors did when they added Wilt?


Which only proves my point more. Jarrett Jack and a hobbled Andrew Bynum ain't that. :-D
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Post#65 » by hands11 » Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:41 am

Man, I think I'm going to have to catch a lot of Orlando game this year. VO was an early favorite of mine and from what he seems to be doing since drafted, I'm getting real excited to see him this year. Plus Orlando has T Harris, Osby and Nikola Vucevic. That team has more draft picks I liked them the Wizards do.

I liked VOs the first time I saw him kind of like I locked in on Beal. Only VO is an energizer bunny who more hopes. If he reaches his potential, he is going to be a sick player.

VO's shoot is looking wet.
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Re: Predict the Eastern Conference Standings 2013/14 

Post#66 » by hands11 » Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:52 pm

1-MIA
2-BrK D Willams/S Liv, J Johnson/Jason Terry, PP/AK, KG/R Evans, B Lopez/A Blatche
4-CHI Rose/Kirk, Jimmy Bulter/Dunleavy, L Deng/Tony Snell, Boozer/Taj Gibson, Noah/Naz Mohammed
3-Ind - George Hill/CJ Watson, Paul George/Lance Stephenson, Granger/Copeland, David West/Scola, Hibbert/Ian Mahinmi

5-Wiz Wall/Maynor, Beal/Temple/Rice/Otto, TrevorA/Webster, Nene/Ves/AH/Booker, Gortat/Seraphin
6-NYK Ray Felton/Pablo Prig, Iman Shumpert/JR Smith, Melo/MWP, Bargnani/Stoudemire/KMarrt, T Chandler/Cole Aldrich/Jeremu Tyler

7-DET Brandon Jennings/Will Bynum, Billups/Stucky, Josh/Kyle Singler/Charlie V, Monroe/Drummonds
8-Atl Jeff Teague/Dennis Schroder, Korver/Lou Williams, Demarre Carroll/Cartier Martin, P Millsap/Elton Brand, Horford/Gustavo

9-MIL

10-TOR K Lowery, DeMar/Landy Fields, R Gay/Steve Novak, Amir Johnson/Tyler Hansbrough, Jonas/A Gray

11-CLE - Kyrie/Jack, Daniel Gibson/Waiters/CJ Miles, Earl Clark/Gee/Sergey Karasev, Triston/Bennett,Bynum/Verejao/Tyler Zeller

12-ORL J Nelson, Afflalo, VO, Tobias, Maurice Harkless, Glen Davis ?, Nikola Vucevic
13-CHA Kembra/Sessions, Gerald Henderson/B Gordon, MKG, Cody Zeller, Al Jefferson

14-BOS Rondo, A Bradly, M Brookes, Crawford, Jeff Green, Bass, Sullinger?, Kelly O, C Iverson First year coach.

15-PHY Micheal Carter, Jason Richarson, Even Turner, Thad Young, Arnett Moultrie, Spencer Hawes, Kwame
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Post#67 » by Hypnotizer » Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:17 pm

1. MIA
2. BKN
3. CHI
4. IND
5. NYK
6. CLE
7. ATL
8. TOR
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Re: Predict the Eastern Conference Standings 2013/14 

Post#68 » by closg00 » Thu Oct 31, 2013 12:42 pm

nate33 wrote:
nuposse04 wrote:
closg00 wrote:FWIW, Detroit was able to hang with the Heat last night, obviously the starters didn't play the entire game but Det fans can be hopeful this season.
http://www.nba.com/games/20131010/MIADE ... tml?ls=slt


If J Smith becomes a 37%+ 3 pt shooter they could be good but I wouldn't bet on that. He was bad last season. Also, I suspect Will Bynum will not go full (Please Use More Appropriate Word) every night on teams.

Drummond will be a monster but I just don't like the way that team is set up. They had a lineup of Bynum + Jonas+Smith+Drummond+monroe yesterday...I have a hard time believing that has a high probability of succeeding. Oh I also expect them to shoot themselves in the foot a lot once Jennings starts his usual ways.

I think Detroit will start strong until teams figure out how to game plan against them. When opponents learn to pack it in and force Detroit to shoot, Detroit is going to find it very difficult to score - particularly once Chauncey Billups gets hurt.


DET starting strong.
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Re: Predict the Eastern Conference Standings 2013/14 

Post#69 » by MJG » Thu Oct 31, 2013 5:12 pm

I suppose it's cheating to update a prediction after the season has started, but whatever, we're two days in and there's no money on the line here or anything like that. Here's how I'd update my mid-summer guesses:

1. (+1) Chicago
2. (-1) Miami
3. (+1) Indiana
4. (-1) Brooklyn
5. (=) Atlanta
6. (=) New York
7. (+2) Detroit
8. (+3) Milwaukee
9. (-2) Washington
10.(-2) Cleveland
11. (-1) Toronto
12. (+1) Orlando
13. (-1) Boston
14. (=) Charlotte
15. (=) Philadelphia
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Post#70 » by CntOutSmrtCrazy » Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:05 pm

MJG wrote:
I suppose it's cheating to update a prediction after the season has started, but whatever, we're two days in and there's no money on the line here or anything like that. Here's how I'd update my mid-summer guesses:

1. (+1) Chicago
2. (-1) Miami
3. (+1) Indiana
4. (-1) Brooklyn
5. (=) Atlanta
6. (=) New York
7. (+2) Detroit
8. (+3) Milwaukee
9. (-2) Washington
10.(-2) Cleveland
11. (-1) Toronto
12. (+1) Orlando
13. (-1) Boston
14. (=) Charlotte
15. (=) Philadelphia


It's not cheating that your changing your standings after one game, its laughable.
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Post#71 » by W. Unseld » Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:09 pm

I was feeling pretty good throughout this realgm article (the blurb on Otto was especially reassuring) until I read that we couldn't land the top tier free agents. This brought me down a notch but not too much b/c I already knew it I just didn't like hearing it. But we aren't an attractive enough destination for Chris freaking Bosh??? Really???
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Post#72 » by Nivek » Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:35 pm

W. Unseld wrote:I was feeling pretty good throughout this realgm article (the blurb on Otto was especially reassuring) until I read that we couldn't land the top tier free agents. This brought me down a notch but not too much b/c I already knew it I just didn't like hearing it. But we aren't an attractive enough destination for Chris freaking Bosh??? Really???
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The recent transactions by the Wizards (the Gortat trade, declining the fourth year options of Jan Vesely and Chris Singleton) will give them $15 million in cap space in the summer of 2014, making them major players in free agency. That exact amount also depends on what they choose to do with Gortat. While all the sorcery in the world won’t bring LeBron, Carmelo or Bosh to the nation’s capital, a playoff run this year will make this squad more of a draw for lower tier free agents. After a half decade of basement-dwelling drudgery, the Wiz faithful finally have reason for optimism.


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Post#73 » by Knighthonor » Fri Nov 1, 2013 3:52 am

I rather they trade nene and a few to tank and get another pick in he draft.
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Re: Predict the Eastern Conference Standings 2013/14 

Post#74 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Nov 1, 2013 6:53 am

I hate the way they lost game one. I still think the team is loaded with talent. I put out many flaming posts today, hypercritical because I know SOMEBODY will read criticisms EARLY.

44 wins will probably be good enough for 6th in the east. (I know I predicted 50, and said 48 was optimal).

If Randy coaches up or down, give or take 5 or 6 wins.
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Post#75 » by W. Unseld » Fri Nov 1, 2013 1:19 pm

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Post#76 » by hands11 » Fri Nov 1, 2013 1:50 pm

W. Unseld wrote:
Nivek wrote:Which article was this?


http://basketball.realgm.com/blog/23048 ... on-Wizards


They might want to keep their powder dry. Not sure there are a lot of big name FAs to go after but with 15M and a better winning season, they will have the cap and access to small moves on shorter contracts that would allow them to get marginally better until the right deal comes along.

They should be able to now get most anyone except the biggest names.

And if Maynor reups, he can still be traded right ?

One things is clear, this is the final year for Kevin, Ves, Singleton and Booker to show if they have a place or not and none are projected to be overly expensive. Ves extended at 2M for 2 years wouldn't bother me at all. Singleton is likely gone. Booker at 3.4M, he is likely not getting offered that so he will be a UFA. Another 1.5 to 2M player who like likely an NBA floater since he can at least rebound.

I could see them trying to resign what they have only with better contracts sans Singleton and maybe Booker then just using the MLE. Maybe bring back Okafor. Or they could go all out for Monroe who would stabilize the front court for years if they can get him.

Draft Cory Jefferson

Wall/Maynor if not traded or he leaves, bring back Temple for anther year.
Beal/Webster/Glen
Trevor A/Otto
Nene/AH/Ves/Cory Jefferson
Gortat/Oakfor/Kevin

Still not where you want to be but getting better until you can transition out of Nene for a younger stud.

or

Wall/Maynor is not traded or he leaves, bring back Temple for anther year.
Beal/Webster/Glen
Trevor A/Otto
Nene/AH/Ves/Cory Jefferson
Monroe/Kevin

Going to be interesting that for sure.
We will see. Lots to learn from this season.
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Re: Predict the Eastern Conference Standings 2013/14 

Post#77 » by dobrojim » Thu Nov 7, 2013 5:26 pm

Early days (4-5 games) but right now I'd say the only sure things
in the EC are MIA and IND followed by BKN. After that, things
are pretty unclear as I see it. 5 playoff spots left and at least
8 teams who could contend for those spots:

(in no particular order)
ATL
WAS
CLE
NYK
DET
CHI
MIL
TOR
ORL
even CHA - who knows?
PHL
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Post#78 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Nov 7, 2013 6:49 pm

New York is going to be a huge bust. That team is nowhere near as good as projections.

Right now, Orlando looks much stronger than projected and IMO is going to make the playoffs because they have a ton of talent. They blew Brooklyn out one game. Vucevic posted a 30/21 game in the Magic's win over the Clippers. I watched that one. Vucevic dominated Griffn and Jordan and took over at the end. He even blocked Chris Paul's shot on a key drive. With Oladipo being a player who's going to get better and better, and Vaughn looking to be a good coach, I expect Orlando will win over 42 games. It wouldn't shock me if they win 45-50 games.

Atlanta looks strong up front and at PG.

Charlotte has quickness with Walker, defense with Biyombo and MKG, athleticism with Taylor and Cody Zeller, and they can finally score inside. The new coach is an upgrade, too.

Detroit is shaky in the backcourt but strong in the front court. I think they're a bubble team.

Chicago looks like they're deferring to Rose and actually aren't as good. I think they are better without Deng. They'll make the playoffs but I don't think they're a strong team as in the past.

The East really is wide open. I don't think Brooklyn is all that strong. Too many older players. They can be outrun. Washington plays them Friday.
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Post#79 » by hands11 » Mon Nov 25, 2013 9:39 am

Looks like everyone boards are getting crushed early this year.

BRK, NY and MIL are off to really bad starts.

Orlando was a border team for me. Its all about how quickly to can learn to win and get T Harris back. They have some talent.

Charlotte's record might be fools gold. They haven't really beaten a good team but looking at their schedule, they can stay .500% for a while longer. And they have the secret weapon. Jannero Pargo

Toronto, I was decently impressed by the other night. They play us with a lot of energy and always moved toward the basket. A team that plays like that is going to sneak up on a few team and out hustle any team that doesn't have it together. I can see how they would stay in the mix.

ATL ? http://espn.go.com/nba/team/schedule/_/ ... anta-hawks
Not sure what to make of them yet. Their sch is about to get a little tougher. They probably drop some.

Could be more wide open then we thought if BRK can't get it together n Rose is out again.
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Post#80 » by dobrojim » Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:49 pm

dobrojim wrote:Early days (4-5 games) but right now I'd say the only sure things
in the EC are MIA and IND followed by BKN. After that, things
are pretty unclear as I see it. 5 playoff spots left and at least
8 teams who could contend for those spots:

(in no particular order)
ATL
WAS
CLE
NYK
DET
CHI
MIL
TOR
ORL
even CHA - who knows?
PHL


OK, there were some who didn't expect BKN to be that good. Kudos to them.
But I don't think there were many who expected them to be this horrible.
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