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BarnabyJones wrote:The Bucks apparently really want to trade Gary Neal now. Should the Wizards try to get him?
Some random troll wrote:Not to sound negative, but this team is owned by an arrogant cheapskate, managed by a moron and coached by an idiot. Recipe for disaster.
Dark Faze wrote:Ariza for the month so far: 5.5ppg on 27% fg, .176 3pt%, 3.3 rpg
It's only four games sure, but the longer it goes on the more you realize that his earlier performance might have been due to a contract year "boost" in effort and we're now seeing a regression to the mean. He's of course not this bad offensively, but he's probably not as good as he was the first twenty games or so. I'm being a bit harsh, but you have to be when you're talking about extending a guy.
From what I've seen of Porter there's no reason to keep Ariza around. The extra offense has been nice but it's come at the cost of his defense which has been awful this year.
Ruzious wrote:Copeland seems an awful lot like Harrington. He can hit the 3, but he doesn't play defense, and he doesn't rebound. I think ya gotta play him at the 3 or don't play him at all - for those reasons.
Illmatic21 wrote:I really like Davis, he has been a great scorer off the bench in the past, and is a solid defender. Concerned about his injury issues though.
I'd probably do that trade just to get Vesely and Singleton off the team.
verbal8 wrote:What about a 3 way with Ilyasova going to the Rockets, Asik to the Wizards and Ariza going to the Bucks?
It doesn't seem to make sense for the Bucks. However they can possibly flip Ariza and even if they don't they could buy him out. The Wizards could kick in some cash towards his salary. If they want to showcase him he probably will look decent without ruining their tank.
As bad as Ersan has been I think the Bucks need to throw in an incentive to Houston, especially if they want to dump Neal. Although I would be open to adding a Neal/Maynor swap if it helps bring in Asik. Also I think any potential deal with Ersan or Asik will depend on their health.
Zonkerbl wrote:I'd be surprised if your management would go for that. Maybe replace Ves with Booker?
Nivek wrote:As for the original trade idea -- if I was running the Wizards, I would not make the deal because I'd rather have the cap space and flexibility to rebuild properly. Given the current management's All-In for the Playoffs strategy, and the likelihood that they'll re-sign Gortat, Ariza and Booker in the offseason, this trade would actually make some sense.
I wonder if Orlando would be willing to take a similar package for Jameer Nelson.
verbal8 wrote:Zonkerbl wrote:I'd be surprised if your management would go for that. Maybe replace Ves with Booker?
For this year the deal as proposed would be a very easy yes for the Wizards. The question would really come down to is Glen Davis worth $6 million next year. I think he is not quite, but the benefits this year outweigh the salary dump. It I thought the Wizards would have significant cap space in the off-season, I would be against the deal even without giving up assets.
Also Moore looks like he could upgrade the Wizards depth at guard - a pretty low bar.
If Booker gets sent out, I would insist on dealing Maynor also. It makes Glen Davis' cost next year effectively $4 million which seems about right. Orlando may also be more interested in Booker on his QO next year than the Wizards would be.
Or that he can shoot the 3! payitforward wrote:Illmatic21 wrote:I really like Davis, he has been a great scorer off the bench in the past, and is a solid defender. Concerned about his injury issues though.
I'd probably do that trade just to get Vesely and Singleton off the team.
Vesely and Singleton are expiring; we didn't pick up their options, so they're unrestricted at the end of the season. You want to take Glen Davis's over-priced salary next year just to get rid of them 4 months earlier? Orlando would be delighted!
I'd be happy to do the deal if it were Kyle O'Quinn instead of Davis.
If you want a textbook example of how you really do rebuild a team (instead of pretending to, as Ernie has done), Orlando is it. Next year, they'll have 7 talented young players (Oladipo, Vucevic, Harkless, Harris, O'Quinn, Lamb and NIcholson) for a total of $16.3m. If they want to keep Price, Moore and Jones for the back of their bench, that'll add @$3m in veteran minimum salaries (paid by the league in part). Only Afflalo, along with Nelson and Davis (both of whom they are trying to move) will hold over from their old squad.
They'll have a high Round 1 pick -- and they'll have either NY or Denver's pick as well (if NY, it'll be a high lottery pick). They will also have a conditional R1 pick from Philly (in 2015? or this year?). They'll have a high round 2 pick this year as well -- and they have the Lakers R1 pick and R2 pick in coming drafts.
nate33 wrote:payitforward wrote:I don't understand how anyone thinks we can make a trade to improve. I suppose every once in a while a trade happens where a team does a lot better than its trading partner(s), but it's not often the case.
Hence, given that we have nothing worth any other team's interest, a trade won't make us better. No one will give anything useful for Vesely, Singleton, Seraphin, Maynor, Harrington, Temple, Rice, or even Nene. Our other rookie-contract players -- Beal, Booker & Porter -- it would be pointless to trade. We aren't trading Wall or Webster or Gortat, and Ariza is expiring.
Not to say we won't make a trade -- we have an incompetent running the show! -- just not one that improves us.
Some teams have decent players who don't fit, and would dump them for expirings. If we've come to terms with the notion that we aren't employing a cap space in 2014 strategy, then we may as well trade our expirings now for competent players.
My #1 targets are Jarrett Jack and Ilyasova. Both players have been very good when put in the right situation, and they are not playing well now so they should be available.
Obviously, an even higher priority would be to acquire a building block defensive center like Ilyasova, Asik or Adams, but that's probably far less likely, and certainly won't be done with expiring contracts alone.
But dreams are different from reality! Note that we haven't been able to acquire Ilyasova, Jack, Asik or Adams -- or any other good players! -- for our expiring junk. Plus, whatever "strategy" (pin the tail on the donkey?) EG has in mind, you still have to give a value to the salary room you are giving away.