Is Wall Top 5 PG?

stevemcqueen1 · Post #61 » by **stevemcqueen1** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:56 am

Dat2U wrote:
fishercob wrote:
nate33 wrote:Over the last 5 games, Wall is averaging 24.8 points, 8.6 assists and 4.0 rebounds with a TS% of .602, an ORtg of 114, and a USG% of 30.0. And that stretch includes 2 games against Chicago and one against Miami.

Who are 2nd and 10th in the league in defensive efficiency, respectively.

Since his cold start -- the first 11 games of the season, John has an Ortg of 109 on 29% usage with a TS% of .553.

Over that span he's averaging 22 ppg, 8 apg, 4 rpg, 2 steals, 46% from the field and 34% from 3.

And it still feels like he could be even better. People keep talking about his speed but he's also one of the biggest and strongest PGs in the league. He's physical mismatch on many nights at his position, as he learns to use his size in combination with his speed he's going to be a regular MVP candidate.

I got dismissed for pointing that out this summer. Most people think of Westbrook as a tank. Last year he was playing at just under 190 pounds and Wall was playing at around 210. John has a thick build and people do overlook his strength because he's not as stacked looking in the upper body, and he's so fast and fluid. He doesn't play defense like a PG though. And he absorbs a ton of contact without missing a beat.

dckingsfan · Post #62 » by **dckingsfan** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:10 am

Posted elsewhere but should be posted here as well:

Marc Stein: Story going online now co-scribed w/our own @mcten: http://es.pn/18nkpr obtains USA Basketball's full 28-man list to be released Thursday: LaMarcus Aldridge, Carmelo Anthony, Bradley Beal, Tyson Chandler, DeMarcus Cousins, Steph Curry, Anthony Davis, Dwight Howard, Andre Iguodala, Kyrie Irving, LeBron James, Kyle Korver, David Lee, Kawhi Leonard, Andre Drummond, Kevin Durant, Kenneth Faried, Paul George, Blake Griffin, James Harden, Gordon Hayward, Damian Lillard, Kevin Love, Chris Paul, Derrick Rose, Klay Thompson, Russell Westbrook and Deron Williams.

stevemcqueen1 · Post #63 » by **stevemcqueen1** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 2:57 pm

They're stupid for not taking Wall. There are a lot of lesser players on that list than him. Including some of the PGs.

stevemcqueen1 · Post #64 » by **stevemcqueen1** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 2:57 pm

But I actually don't mind if Wall doesn't play USA basketball. It's a big offseason commitment.

Higga · Post #65 » by **Higga** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:25 pm

Wall's inability to shoot makes him a liability in the Olympic game. The other PGs are all much better shooters. I'd rather he have his summers off anyway.

jivelikenice · Post #66 » by **jivelikenice** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:34 pm

His shooting is why he isn't on the team. But I really don't understand why he wouldn't make the 1st cut considering the national team thives when they create turnovers and get out in transition. I also don't understand how Rose and Deron Williams make this list given their injuries (Rose) and injuries/ineffectivenes (Deron).

Kanyewest · Post #67 » by **Kanyewest** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:44 pm

IIRC, Wall played like crap during the team USA minicamp in the offseason. Irving outplayed him in that exhibition game. Coach K also may be biased towards Irving because he coached him but I also think Irving's ability to knock down 3s will give him a chance to compete better in the international game.

Kanyewest · Post #68 » by **Kanyewest** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:50 pm

jivelikenice wrote:His shooting is why he isn't on the team. But I really don't understand why he wouldn't make the 1st cut considering the national team thives when they create turnovers and get out in transition. I also don't understand how Rose and Deron Williams make this list given their injuries (Rose) and injuries/ineffectivenes (Deron).

Rose made it from because of how well he played on that world championship team. Williams made it because he was on the 2012 Olympic National team. In reality Wall is a better candidate than either of them.

Hypnotizer · Post #69 » by **Hypnotizer** » Sat Dec 6, 2014 4:57 am

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milellie111 · Post #70 » by **milellie111** » Sat Dec 6, 2014 5:00 am

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Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #71 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Sat Dec 6, 2014 9:21 am

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GhostsOfGil · Post #72 » by **GhostsOfGil** » Sat Dec 6, 2014 4:03 pm

Millie, Walls 2012-13 season was actually his best year yet mostly because he was attacking the basket and drawing fouls. He also made significant strides over the year to reduce his turnovers and ended the year red hot. His per 36 minutes were also the best of his career.

I rank him anywhere between 6-8 currently.

Gordo52 · Post #73 » by **Gordo52** » Sat Dec 6, 2014 4:21 pm

I think it's safe to say he's the best pg in the east.

TheKingOfVa360 · Post #74 » by **TheKingOfVa360** » Sat Dec 6, 2014 4:28 pm

Best PG in the East and 3rd overall
Top PGs

1.CP3
2.Curry
3.Wall
4.Westbrook
5.Lowry

tontoz · Post #75 » by **tontoz** » Sat Dec 6, 2014 4:36 pm

Wall isn't a top 5 pg. He can be but his inefficiency, turnovers and inconsistent D are holding him back.

Teague and Lillard have a TS of 61%. That is 10% higher than Wall. In fact the Wizards team TS is 54.4%, 3% better than Wall. He needs to bring that percentage up to be a top 5 pg.

J-Ves · Post #76 » by **J-Ves** » Sat Dec 6, 2014 5:02 pm

I still put Westbrook, Curry, Paul above him. Lowry has been amazing this year, so he gets the nod over Wall. After that it's a matter of preference, I can't fault anyone's fifth best PG. You need a shooter, go with Irving or Lillard. You prefer a PG with a great floor game Wall is your man. Parker is still great, and don't forget about the three headed monster in Phoenix

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Shanghai Kid · Post #77 » by **Shanghai Kid** » Sat Dec 6, 2014 7:27 pm

It is just his lack of offensive efficiency that is holding him back. As a play-maker and passer I think he is top 5. If he can just score more efficiently his potential is great.

Post #78 » by **nate33** » Sat Dec 6, 2014 7:56 pm

Gordo52 wrote:I think it's safe to say he's the best pg in the east.

Lowry is the best PG in the East and currently the second best player in the East. Dude is playing insanely well.

Kanyewest · Post #79 » by **Kanyewest** » Sat Dec 6, 2014 8:02 pm

Gordo52 wrote:I think it's safe to say he's the best pg in the east.

I'm not sure- wall still has a way to go. Lowry has been playing well as well as Irving- although I would certainly say Wall has had a better season than Irving. Wall can get there if he plays like he has the past couple of games but the caveat is that Miami, Denver, and the LA Lakers are not good defensive teams.

Brenice · Post #80 » by **Brenice** » Sat Dec 6, 2014 8:16 pm

Wall is the catalyst for the offense and defense. He impacts the defense unlike any other point guard in the league. His defense ignites the break and momentum. With the depth of the wizards, his pace is like throwing body punches atother teams. As long as Wall is confident and Beal healthy, I'll take our bbackcourt over Curry and Thompson.