You've seen enough: To Beal or not to Beal? (Poll)

[Kanyewest]

um...

Yup. If I remember correctly, he signed Maynor very early in free agency - paying about double what some better free agent PGs got. He could not wait to bleep himself.

Yep -- they made identical offers to 3 FA PGs that offseason, letting each know that the first who accepted would get the contract. I'm drawing a blank at the moment who the other two were, but one wasn't much good either, and the other was decent. It was almost as if the front office didn't really know how to distinguish between the relative qualities of the players. Then better players signed elsewhere for less.

Yeah, it was a weird move. It's almost like EG and the Wizards wanted to wrap up the offseason so they could go on vacation and play golf.

[Kanyewest]

AJ Price?

Nope. Price had actually played well for them, had been better than Maynor throughout their careers, and would happily have signed a one-year minimum salary deal. So naturally, the Wizards never made him an offer.

The Wizards did express interest in Darren Collison. He supposedly took a hometown discount to sign with the Clippers.

[Jkam31]

How do you guys feel about a sign and trade for Gay (and if allowed Mclemore)


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[TheSecretWeapon]

How do you guys feel about a sign and trade for Gay (and if allowed Mclemore)


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No. Not interested in Gay or McLemore.

[dckingsfan]

I take it you've seen quite a lot of Tomas Satoransky? Have you?

Yep, try to catch as many games as possible - you can get vpn software and spoof your location to watch the games - if you are interested. I watch European ball instead of college ball.

If not -- and even if you have, for that matter -- what basis do you have for this comparison with Beal?

He is a better ball handler, IMO - but that is the eye test - and that isn't always accurate. He is a better passer, I think his stats reflect that. He is a more interested defender. And he actually plays in most of the games

And, even if you are somehow "right" about a comparison that in fact can't be made at all, what makes Satoransky an either/or choice w/ Beal on the other side of it?

You are correct. As I think I stated earlier - I think Beal would be a huge mistake if it was a max contract. I think it would be crippling going forward. Satoransky would be an alternative.

And even if that were a meaningful either or choice, what makes you think we can actually bring Satoransky to the Wizards this off season?

Two years ago Satoransky basically broke out. And this year he has held it while playing even better on the defensive end. But all along he has said it was his dream to eventually play in the NBA - but I am pretty sure he is a bit miffed with EG and the front office - so you have a good point.

[dckingsfan]

How do you guys feel about a sign and trade for Gay (and if allowed Mclemore)

That would be a very Grunfeld like move...

[Ruzious]

If we don't keep Beal, how about Nando d e Colo, the French guard - who's played everywhere around the world - and actually played decently for San Antonio and Toronto - just didn't get a lot of playing time? I think he's regarded as among the top international players in the world - arguably the best. Playing for Moscow this season, per 40 he's averaging 28.4 points, 7.2 assists, shooting 54% from the filed and 49.4% from 3 point range on high volume. For the NBA, he's a 2; not a 1, but in the mold of Manu. Get both him and Sato. They're kinda similar but not really - as Nando is more or a scorer. He'll turn 29 before next season, so that's young for a Wiz signee.

[nate33]

What about Courtney Lee?



He shoots the 3-ball about as well as Beal, albeit with only about 70% of the number of attempts. I don't know if that would increase in a 4-out offense run by Wall. Defensively, he's better than Beal. His ORtg is way better because he takes practically zero midrange shots and he doesn't turn the ball over.

Would you rather have Lee at, say, 3 years $7M per year? Or Beal at 4 years $21M per year?

[deneem4]

get rid of whittman then decide on trading beal whether maxed out not not some team will want and will give up something good for him next season...
But let's get him a better coach and see if that makes a difference

[Ruzious]

What about Courtney Lee?



He shoots the 3-ball about as well as Beal, albeit with only about 70% of the number of attempts. I don't know if that would increase in a 4-out offense run by Wall. Defensively, he's better than Beal. His ORtg is way better because he takes practically zero midrange shots and he doesn't turn the ball over.

Would you rather have Lee at, say, 3 years $7M per year? Or Beal at 4 years $21M per year?

Lee. Lee's very good at what he does, but he doesn't do much outside of catch and shoot and defend. At age 30/31, he won't get better. But that's too much for Beal, imo.

[CobraCommander]

You guys are in a similar position to us this off-season. Except, with Beal being a RFA, you have less chance of walking away empty handed. Whether or not you guys feel he is the future next to Wall, a fair offer should be given to him. It isn't like your GM can't move him in the future, with the rising cap, there will be a lot of losers this Free Agency, who'd give up a few players, picks or combination of the two for him.

P.S. kinda wandered into this board.

But remember we swept y'all last year...

None of that matters anymore. We are fans of a loser franchise while his team is going to the playoffs after a 50+ win season. Hold dat.

Wait....who's side you on anyway? Fans is short for fanatics...you can't use reason and logic when I am trying to crap talk the Raptor fans...

[dckingsfan]

get rid of whittman then decide on trading beal whether maxed out not not some team will want and will give up something good for him next season...
But let's get him a better coach and see if that makes a difference

Get rid of Grunfeld so that he doesn't negotiate the contact. Let a competent GM decide what to do...

[J-Ves]

But remember we swept y'all last year...

None of that matters anymore. We are fans of a loser franchise while his team is going to the playoffs after a 50+ win season. Hold dat.

Wait....who's side you on anyway? Fans is short for fanatics...you can't use reason and logic when I am trying to crap talk the Raptor fans...

I apologize. I was just feeling extremely down about the Wizards when I read your comment. I shouldn't of taken it out on my fellow Wiz fan.

[I_Like_Dirt]

Lee. Lee's very good at what he does, but he doesn't do much outside of catch and shoot and defend. At age 30/31, he won't get better. But that's too much for Beal, imo.

I wouldn't be so sure about Lee. Afflalo just got $8 mil per last season and took a 1 year + player option deal because he wanted to take advantage of free agency this coming offseason. This offseason, there is substantially more money to go around and the free agent crop, after Durant, is arguably worse than last offseason's, and swingmen are in short supply after Wes Matthews got the max and Demarre Carroll got $16 million per season. Personally, I expect Lee is potentially looking at $10-$15 million per season. If it's $10 million, he's still better value, but as you push closer to $15 million, things start to get dicier, I think.

[fishercob]

Someone remind me the rule: you can't trade a guy to the team with whom he signed an offer sheet for how long? A year?

[Ruzious]

Lee. Lee's very good at what he does, but he doesn't do much outside of catch and shoot and defend. At age 30/31, he won't get better. But that's too much for Beal, imo.

I wouldn't be so sure about Lee. Afflalo just got $8 mil per last season and took a 1 year + player option deal because he wanted to take advantage of free agency this coming offseason. This offseason, there is substantially more money to go around and the free agent crop, after Durant, is arguably worse than last offseason's, and swingmen are in short supply after Wes Matthews got the max and Demarre Carroll got $16 million per season. Personally, I expect Lee is potentially looking at $10-$15 million per season. If it's $10 million, he's still better value, but as you push closer to $15 million, things start to get dicier, I think.

Yeah, I would rather sign Nando de Colo - who I think is better and cheaper and a little younger. Btw, he has said he'd like to come back to the NBA if he's given a larger role than SA and Toronto gave him.

[Dark Faze]

Wtf

nano wasn't good

[gambitx777]

Trade him ASAP.
If I were the GM or new GM that we might get. I would take the best trade I could get for him and then go to Thomas and his agent before his new deal comes in to terms and say, you are our starting 2, here is 5 mill a year for 4 years fully guaranteed, lets go play ball. I don't care what anyone says Thomas Satoronsky at 5 mill a year is 1000000000X better than Beal on a max contract.

[FAH1223]

I'd let the market dictate what Brad is worth.

Since he's 22 going on 23, his youth is going to be very intriguing to teams but the Eric Gordon comparison no doubt is ringing throughout the league. The Suns offered Gordon 4 years $58M in 2012 and that was the max at the time.

It'll take one stupid team to do that with Brad. But hopefully Leonsis can communicate with this kid and tell him to not sign an offer sheet despite the offers. We need that buy in from him so we can use the cap space to make a run at one of the top FAs first. It sucks that this isn't a Spurs like organization with Kawhi Leonard and Lamarcus Aldridge we're talking about.

[CobraCommander]

None of that matters anymore. We are fans of a loser franchise while his team is going to the playoffs after a 50+ win season. Hold dat.

Wait....who's side you on anyway? Fans is short for fanatics...you can't use reason and logic when I am trying to crap talk the Raptor fans...

I apologize. I was just feeling extremely down about the Wizards when I read your comment. I shouldn't of taken it out on my fellow Wiz fan.

We all we got! Wiz fans unite and let's party like 1999 when Wittman gets fired and Erine gets fired next