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Post#61 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Dec 3, 2016 11:05 am

Marko1980 wrote:As I told you before the best player of Europe "Milos Teodosic" is free agent ending this saison. He is ok to play in NBA if he have a club to offer him 3M.

He is a very smart player with excellent passing skills and is elected as the best basketball player not playing in NBA by NBA coachs.

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Post#62 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Dec 3, 2016 11:08 am

Ruzious wrote:We're seeing Sato having a tough time adjusting to the NBA, and I wouldn't expect it to be easier for Milos - given his lack of athleticism. Just my opinion from looking at a little of the video - great Euro player, but I don't think he's quick/fast enough to play the point in the NBA, and his lack of athleticism and strength would make it difficult to excel at the 2. I'm more of a Nando fan as far as NBA ability, but he signed a 3 year deal with CSKA.

Ruzious, I am not watching games. How exactly is that Satoransky struggling? Can any of it be how Scott Brooks is utilizing him? I do not want to over generalize and think all Europeans are going to struggle in the NBA

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Post#63 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Dec 3, 2016 11:10 am

Ruzious wrote:Looking for the next Jae Crowder, I'm looking at Bonzie Colson of Notre Dame. A 6'5 220 lb junior power forward. Draftexpress.com has him listed... as the 63rd best sophomore in college - nowhere near making a 2 round draft. The size doesn't fit the position, but he does have a 6'11.5 wingspan. 14.9 rebounds per pace adjusted 40 minutes, not to mention 25.2 points, 2.2 blocks, 1.4 steals, 2.2 assists vs 1.6 turnovers. And has started to shoot 3's at a 38.5% clip - good sign that he's made over 90% of his FT's. Pat Connaughton also played PF for Notre Dame at that size and made Portland's roster. Seems to me, Colson has put up clearly better numbers and should get drafted. Also seems to me Bonzi Wells was about that same size - and also played for Portland. Coincidence? Nnnn...Yes.

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Post#64 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Dec 3, 2016 11:11 am

Dat2U wrote:Here's name for y'all. Isaiah Hartenstein. He's 24th on DX and #14th on NBA draft net. He's 6-11 245, solidly built and got the ideal physical tools you want in an NBA PF and he's definitely a fast twitch athlete. He's only 18 and is raw but has a nice toolbox of developing skills. He can do a little of it all (dribble, shoot, pass, post) but is still learning how to use these skills in game situations and will try to do too much. He's also a little immature but most big guys that size are. If he has the work ethic, he could really be a big time player in a few years.

Did you say his name is Kwame Brown

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Re: The 2017 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#65 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Dec 3, 2016 11:29 am

Looking at the results of the 2016 draft so far I see that Kris Dunn is really struggling and Denzel Valentine is not even playing yet. From the 2015 draft Bobby Portis is not playing at all.

On the other hand Malcolm Brogdon is playing quite a bit (from this past draft).

A lot of who plays and who doesn't just has to do with the roster the coach and the opportunity

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Re: RE: Re: The 2017 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#66 » by Ruzious » Mon Dec 5, 2016 3:46 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
Ruzious wrote:We're seeing Sato having a tough time adjusting to the NBA, and I wouldn't expect it to be easier for Milos - given his lack of athleticism. Just my opinion from looking at a little of the video - great Euro player, but I don't think he's quick/fast enough to play the point in the NBA, and his lack of athleticism and strength would make it difficult to excel at the 2. I'm more of a Nando fan as far as NBA ability, but he signed a 3 year deal with CSKA.

Ruzious, I am not watching games. How exactly is that Satoransky struggling? Can any of it be how Scott Brooks is utilizing him? I do not want to over generalize and think all Europeans are going to struggle in the NBA

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He's just not a scoring threat at this point. He takes way too long to get off the catch and shoot shot - can't blame that on Brooks. Sato's just got to work on that. While he is making 50% of his 2's, he's making only 11.8% of his 3's. That and not making foul shots gives him and eFG of 42%. His PER of 8.2 indicates he just hasn't been productive, so far. One good thing - he hasn't turned the ball over much.
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Re: The 2017 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#67 » by Ruzious » Mon Dec 5, 2016 3:49 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Looking at the results of the 2016 draft so far I see that Kris Dunn is really struggling and Denzel Valentine is not even playing yet. From the 2015 draft Bobby Portis is not playing at all.

On the other hand Malcolm Brogdon is playing quite a bit (from this past draft).

A lot of who plays and who doesn't just has to do with the roster the coach and the opportunity

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The Bucks are happy with Brogdon - he plays defense! But a lot of it about opportunity. With Middleton's injury, Mil had zippy at the 2 - desperation is trading for Snell and starting him.
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Post#68 » by payitforward » Mon Dec 5, 2016 8:16 pm

Ruzious wrote:Looking for the next Jae Crowder, I'm looking at Bonzie Colson of Notre Dame. A 6'5 220 lb junior power forward. Draftexpress.com has him listed... as the 63rd best sophomore in college - nowhere near making a 2 round draft. The size doesn't fit the position, but he does have a 6'11.5 wingspan. 14.9 rebounds per pace adjusted 40 minutes, not to mention 25.2 points, 2.2 blocks, 1.4 steals, 2.2 assists vs 1.6 turnovers. And has started to shoot 3's at a 38.5% clip - good sign that he's made over 90% of his FT's. Pat Connaughton also played PF for Notre Dame at that size and made Portland's roster. Seems to me, Colson has put up clearly better numbers and should get drafted. Also seems to me Bonzi Wells was about that same size - and also played for Portland. Coincidence? Nnnn...Yes.

Holy moly -- good find! This kid is putting up monster numbers.
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Re: The 2017 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#69 » by payitforward » Mon Dec 5, 2016 8:20 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Yes, Ruz, Evans looks like a Tony Parker or Chris Paul level scorer. He draws and finishes through contact. What I like most are his hands. Very active ball thief with a very tight handle. He also anticipates well as a passer.

I agree, Ruz, that Young doesn't have much "wiggle". Yep, he's the grown man beating up on NCAA youngsters. That said, look at his stats. I actually thought about...Len Bias. (Sacrilege, I know). Michael Young has improved in shooting and scoring. He's putting up 23 a game. He has both shot blocking and three point ability. Like I said above, I THINK he's fluid enough to be a good small ball PF off the bench. He might be an NBA SF. Dude reminds of Antawn Jamison--he gets buckets.

Last but not least: high character guys, both Evans and Young.

Evans is projected at #29 by DR. Those are some gaudy numbers the kid puts up!!!
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Re: The 2017 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#70 » by payitforward » Mon Dec 5, 2016 8:38 pm

ozthegap wrote:
Dat2U wrote:
ozthegap wrote:Why is everyone looking for someone to replace wall in the draft. We should be looking for someone to put Morris on the bench.

You draft the best player and the way things are looking we could use a 3rd guard anyways.

The top of the draft appears to be guard & wing heavy too.

Trade down while picking up an extra 1st rounder from philly or the Celtics?

Both good ideas, really.

In 2012 I posted a radical trade-down strategy that got us, I think 7 rookies: I had us trade our #3 to Portland for their #s 6 & 11, then trade their #6 to Houston for their #s 16 & 18, then trade their #16 to Boston for their #s 21 & 22, then trade their #22 to the Mavs for their #s 33 & 34, then trade their #34 to the Blazers for their #s 41 & 42.

This netted us Jeremy Lamb, Jared Sullinger, Miles Plumlee, Jae Crowder (taken w/ our own #32), Draymond Green, Khris Middleton & Will Barton. Not a bad haul as it turned out. :)

(Of course, I didn't think of this as a practical strategy -- just a very cool set of moves that happened to be there to do and also looked quite possible to me)
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Re: The 2017 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#71 » by Ruzious » Mon Dec 5, 2016 8:44 pm

Remember Josh Hart playing great for Villanova in the tournament last season? How is he rated just the 44th pick? He does everything well - no weaknesses - can even play a little point. Is it because he's a senior. They say he doesn't have upside? He's still just 21.

Gotta watch the Dukees - particularly Marques Bolden - great NBA body with sick 7'6 wingspan and 9'4.5 standing reach. Gotta look out for Javale McGee type tendencies.
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Post#72 » by doclinkin » Mon Dec 5, 2016 9:45 pm

Tilting at windmills since we never use our 2nd round picks, I'm always looking for sleepers late. I think I found one of my guys this year. I like seniors who have slipped through the cracks and used their college career to actually, you know, LEARN their trade. You can find a few in the Portsmouth Invitational Tourney at the end of the year, players who quickly adjust to their roles in the NBA.

Draymond Green, Damian Lillard, David Lee, David West, JJ Redick, Chandler Parsons, George Hill, Wes Matthews. You can get great value from 4 year players who come into the NBA with a mature game and no need to sit the bench for a few years while they try to grow into their roles.

My guy this year is Jeremy Morgan of Northern Iowa. He's got good stats in the BBIQ measures (defensive boards, ast/to) and shows good improvement profile suggesting he is a grinder willing to learn (improving 3pt%, declining fouls per 40). His game logs show that he plays pretty well in big games against ranked opponents, works hard even when his shot isn't falling, stays active defensively and calls his own number when challenged. (posting numbers in FTs, boards, steals, and blocks even on nights when his FG% is off)

Eye test suggests he's a gamer, not a high flyer or superior ball handler, but knows his angles and teammates. He can hit the high arc of that jumper against defenders of any size. Scrappy and motivated and smart and tough; a low-ego coaches-dream type fighter who runs hard in both directions. His Assist numbers could be better, but that's not his role and his a/to ratio is in the positive and improving yearly.

His 2pt FG% is low as he has become the primary focal point of the offense this year and is adjusting to a freshman PG, but in past years he has shown a high % on the interior and midrange -- in a role more closely aligned to his likely NBA role as a 3&D specialist. Yes we need a back up ball handling 2-guard, more dribble drive threats, but playing next to John, or Saty if he pans out, this kid already would have a role.

A late or undrafted prospect, but the kind I wish we had stockpiled 2nd round picks, to let us take first look at him.

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Re: The 2017 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#73 » by Dat2U » Mon Dec 5, 2016 10:11 pm

payitforward wrote:
ozthegap wrote:
Dat2U wrote:You draft the best player and the way things are looking we could use a 3rd guard anyways.

The top of the draft appears to be guard & wing heavy too.

Trade down while picking up an extra 1st rounder from philly or the Celtics?

Both good ideas, really.

In 2012 I posted a radical trade-down strategy that got us, I think 7 rookies: I had us trade our #3 to Portland for their #s 6 & 11, then trade their #6 to Houston for their #s 16 & 18, then trade their #16 to Boston for their #s 21 & 22, then trade their #22 to the Mavs for their #s 33 & 34, then trade their #34 to the Blazers for their #s 41 & 42.

This netted us Jeremy Lamb, Jared Sullinger, Miles Plumlee, Jae Crowder (taken w/ our own #32), Draymond Green, Khris Middleton & Will Barton. Not a bad haul as it turned out. :)

(Of course, I didn't think of this as a practical strategy -- just a very cool set of moves that happened to be there to do and also looked quite possible to me)


I made the same suggestion of trading the #3 to the #6 & #11. At 6 I was looking at Drummond, Waiters (ugh) & Lillard in that order. At 11 I would have went with John Henson (meh). I liked Jae Crowder & the young wing from Baylor (i forgot his name) at the top of my list in the 2nd round.
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Post#74 » by Dat2U » Mon Dec 5, 2016 10:12 pm

Ruzious wrote:Remember Josh Hart playing great for Villanova in the tournament last season? How is he rated just the 44th pick? He does everything well - no weaknesses - can even play a little point. Is it because he's a senior. They say he doesn't have upside? He's still just 21.

Gotta watch the Dukees - particularly Marques Bolden - great NBA body with sick 7'6 wingspan and 9'4.5 standing reach. Gotta look out for Javale McGee type tendencies.


Josh Hart is my 2nd round favorite at the moment. He's been a helluva player for a couple years now. I think he's a sure bet NBA'er.
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Post#75 » by Ruzious » Mon Dec 5, 2016 10:34 pm

doclinkin wrote:Tilting at windmills since we never use our 2nd round picks, I'm always looking for sleepers late. I think I found one of my guys this year. I like seniors who have slipped through the cracks and used their college career to actually, you know, LEARN their trade. You can find a few in the Portsmouth Invitational Tourney at the end of the year, players who quickly adjust to their roles in the NBA.

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My guy this year is Jeremy Morgan of Northern Iowa. He's got good stats in the BBIQ measures (defensive boards, ast/to) and shows good improvement profile suggesting he is a grinder willing to learn (improving 3pt%, declining fouls per 40). His game logs show that he plays pretty well in big games against ranked opponents, works hard even when his shot isn't falling, stays active defensively and calls his own number when challenged. (posting numbers in FTs, boards, steals, and blocks even on nights when his FG% is off)

Eye test suggests he's a gamer, not a high flyer or superior ball handler, but knows his angles and teammates. He can hit the high arc of that jumper against defenders of any size. Scrappy and motivated and smart and tough; a low-ego coaches-dream type fighter who runs hard in both directions. His Assist numbers could be better, but that's not his role and his a/to ratio is in the positive and improving yearly.

His 2pt FG% is low as he has become the primary focal point of the offense this year and is adjusting to a freshman PG, but in past years he has shown a high % on the interior and midrange -- in a role more closely aligned to his likely NBA role as a 3&D specialist. Yes we need a back up ball handling 2-guard, more dribble drive threats, but playing next to John, or Saty if he pans out, this kid already would have a role.

A late or undrafted prospect, but the kind I wish we had stockpiled 2nd round picks, to let us take first look at him.


A guard with 2.2 blocks, 3.3 steals, and 7.7 rebounds per game - and nails 3's? Small sample size - but interesting.
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Post#76 » by Dat2U » Mon Dec 5, 2016 11:06 pm

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Ruzious wrote:Looking for the next Jae Crowder, I'm looking at Bonzie Colson of Notre Dame. A 6'5 220 lb junior power forward. Draftexpress.com has him listed... as the 63rd best sophomore in college - nowhere near making a 2 round draft. The size doesn't fit the position, but he does have a 6'11.5 wingspan. 14.9 rebounds per pace adjusted 40 minutes, not to mention 25.2 points, 2.2 blocks, 1.4 steals, 2.2 assists vs 1.6 turnovers. And has started to shoot 3's at a 38.5% clip - good sign that he's made over 90% of his FT's. Pat Connaughton also played PF for Notre Dame at that size and made Portland's roster. Seems to me, Colson has put up clearly better numbers and should get drafted. Also seems to me Bonzi Wells was about that same size - and also played for Portland. Coincidence? Nnnn...Yes.

Holy moly -- good find! This kid is putting up monster numbers.


Having watched Colson play before he played very much like a PF. Very effective but very much a bull in a china shop. Does that translate? He moved like a 16 lb bowling ball being thrown by a 12 yr old kid. I have a hard time envisioning him as an NBA SF.
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Post#77 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue Dec 6, 2016 9:41 am

Ruzious wrote:Remember Josh Hart playing great for Villanova in the tournament last season? How is he rated just the 44th pick? He does everything well - no weaknesses - can even play a little point. Is it because he's a senior. They say he doesn't have upside? He's still just 21.

Gotta watch the Dukees - particularly Marques Bolden - great NBA body with sick 7'6 wingspan and 9'4.5 standing reach. Gotta look out for Javale McGee type tendencies.

This is a perfect example of the over evaluation or over valuation of freshman. He is buffalo wild so many freshman are getting given card watch that translation went horribly wrong

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Post#78 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue Dec 6, 2016 9:42 am

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Post#79 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue Dec 6, 2016 9:43 am

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Post#80 » by Ruzious » Tue Dec 6, 2016 3:24 pm

Another 2nd rounder I really like is Cameron Oliver. He likely gets down-graded because of his lack of size (6'8 225) and perceived low BBIQ (he is from Javale's old stomping grounds - Nevada). He kinda reminds me of a young Zach Randolph for his quick leaping ability. That makes up for his lack of height, and he plays aggressively - making up for his lack of bulk - though I think he'll get heavier. The surprising thing about him is that he's developed a very effective 3 point shot - 43.9% on 6.3 attempts per 40 minutes. Also an excellent shot-blocker at the college level. Oliver is known for sloppiness at both ends, but like they say in baseball - he's a very toolsy player with a ton of potential, imo.
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