Wizards 2019 Draft Thread - Part II

[Ruzious]

If you trade down to get Clarke, you are drafting him for defense and rebounding. Not for his anti-Ray Allen-like release. Every player we pick at nine or if we trade down has some major deficiency whether it's size, durability, lack of shot, lack of defense, lack of length, etc. I'm already sick of it and we have nearly a month to go before the draft. The Euros like Doumbouya and Luka Samanic are starting to intrigue me more at No. 9. Jaxson Hayes as well.

I'm thinking the ability to D up is the most important thing - and length is key to D. Look at the 2 teams left in the East. Toronto is ridiculously long - particularly at the forwards, and Leonard is really a modern-day Pippen defensively - with a better offensive game. With length being key, if you can find an ultra long moblie 3 point shooter, you have a competitive advantage - which is why Bol is so compelling to me.

I wouldn't take Clarke at 9, but how about Klay Thompson's length? He's an incredible defender because of good technique and he has a 6-9 reach and is 6-7. I'm not saying length is not important. It is but it's not the end-all-be-all. Some guys are just really good defensively and we need to find them. At 9, I am looking for length but Bol scares me due to his injuries and other factors I'm hearing about him.

True about length not being everything. With a player like Clarke, his leaping ability separates him - not just his 40 plus vertical but the ability to jump without gathering himself. Thompson's still long for a 2 - also very strong and sturdy.

[JWizmentality]

He seems like Derrick Williams 2.0. Derek was actually slightly bigger, younger, and more athletic. Like Williams, I see a guy who likes, but doesnt love the game or have "Natural" Feel for the game.
I also see a guy who "Seems" like a good athlete, but really isnt in the context of basketball.
I.E. Poor lateral quickness, 2 foot jumper, non-coordinated/clunky.

I dont like the rebounding, vision, feel, clunky athleticism, or overall IQ (especially defensively)

A bit of a tweener who lacks rebounding and defensive ability. Just what we need.

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/wizards/2019-nba-draft-prospect-profile-rui-hachimura
"Some have compared him to Jabari Parker". Yay!

Hachimura isnt near the prospect Parker was. Both are similar size and poor laterally, but Parker is smoother and more explosive as an athlete. Rui appears to have a better work ethic and a jump shot, but im just not that impressed.

That said, he has a high floor and could be a Jamison type player...so I would take him in the early 20's, but NO WAY in the top 10

Not much difference between where we pick and the 20s. I'll take a flyer on a guy with raw talent.

[payitforward]

A bit of a tweener who lacks rebounding and defensive ability. Just what we need.

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/wizards/2019-nba-draft-prospect-profile-rui-hachimura
"Some have compared him to Jabari Parker". Yay!

Hachimura isnt near the prospect Parker was. Both are similar size and poor laterally, but Parker is smoother and more explosive as an athlete. Rui appears to have a better work ethic and a jump shot, but im just not that impressed.

That said, he has a high floor and could be a Jamison type player...so I would take him in the early 20's, but NO WAY in the top 10

Not much difference between where we pick and the 20s. I'll take a flyer on a guy with raw talent.

I don't think Hachimura has a ton of raw talent. I don't know why you do think that. He's not on the same tier as Clarke in any way, for example.

I also can't imagine what makes you think there's not much difference between #9 & #21 -- do you think someone would give you the #21 & some other assets for the #9? You don't think so? Oh.

Best option is still to trade our #9 to Boston for their #s14 &20 (or even 22).

I'm also curious whether there's someone the Hawks are dying to have @ #10. I'd give them our #9 for their #10 & their highest R2 pick -- well, as many of their 3 R2 picks as we could get out of them.

[youngWizzy]

Hachimura is more in the mold of Al Thornton and Mike Scott. Nothing really pops out to me when watching him. Clarke is far better than him and will have a far longer career and it's not even remotely close.

[trast66]

Best option is still to trade our #9 to Boston for their #s14 &20 (or even 22).

I'm also curious whether there's someone the Hawks are dying to have @ #10. I'd give them our #9 for their #10 & their highest R2 pick -- well, as many of their 3 R2 picks as we could get out of them.

Interesting point on Hawks and Celtics, very doubtful they keep all those picks. Hawks I see being agressive and want to go up from 8. 20 and 22 = 9 on draft value charts, if Celtics offered 14 and 22 would jump all over that. Unless Coby White falls to 9.

[JWizmentality]

Hachimura isnt near the prospect Parker was. Both are similar size and poor laterally, but Parker is smoother and more explosive as an athlete. Rui appears to have a better work ethic and a jump shot, but im just not that impressed.

That said, he has a high floor and could be a Jamison type player...so I would take him in the early 20's, but NO WAY in the top 10

Not much difference between where we pick and the 20s. I'll take a flyer on a guy with raw talent.

I don't think Hachimura has a ton of raw talent. I don't know why you do think that. He's not on the same tier as Clarke in any way, for example.

I also can't imagine what makes you think there's not much difference between #9 & #21 -- do you think someone would give you the #21 & some other assets for the #9? You don't think so? Oh.

Best option is still to trade our #9 to Boston for their #s14 &20 (or even 22).

I'm also curious whether there's someone the Hawks are dying to have @ #10. I'd give them our #9 for their #10 & their highest R2 pick -- well, as many of their 3 R2 picks as we could get out of them.

In this draft? No. I don't see a huge disparity in talent late in the draft. And no I don't think Brandon Clarke is way better than him. What does it matter to you? It's my opinion. I thought Wiggins was never going to amount to much and took a lot of heat for that too. I could've been wrong but would love to debate it with you, but you're incapable of having a normal discussion without being a condescending ass hat. Pity.

[JWizmentality]

I'm sold on Hachimura.

He seems like Derrick Williams 2.0. Derek was actually slightly bigger, younger, and more athletic. Like Williams, I see a guy who likes, but doesnt love the game or have "Natural" Feel for the game.
I also see a guy who "Seems" like a good athlete, but really isnt in the context of basketball.
I.E. Poor lateral quickness, 2 foot jumper, non-coordinated/clunky.

I dont like the rebounding, vision, feel, clunky athleticism, or overall IQ (especially defensively)

Hachimura is clunky and non-coordinated? Sorry...clunky non-coordinated is Otto Porter, Bol Bol types. He is not that...at all.

[payitforward]

Not much difference between where we pick and the 20s. I'll take a flyer on a guy with raw talent.

I don't think Hachimura has a ton of raw talent. I don't know why you do think that. He's not on the same tier as Clarke in any way, for example.

I also can't imagine what makes you think there's not much difference between #9 & #21 -- do you think someone would give you the #21 & some other assets for the #9? You don't think so? Oh.

Best option is still to trade our #9 to Boston for their #s14 &20 (or even 22).

I'm also curious whether there's someone the Hawks are dying to have @ #10. I'd give them our #9 for their #10 & their highest R2 pick -- well, as many of their 3 R2 picks as we could get out of them.

In this draft? No. I don't see a huge disparity in talent late in the draft. And no I don't think Brandon Clarke is way better than him. What does it matter to you? It's my opinion. I thought Wiggins was never going to amount to much and took a lot of heat for that too. I could've been wrong but would love to debate it with you, but you're incapable of having a normal discussion without being a condescending ass hat. Pity.

Salty! You were right about Wiggins. Good for you.

Actually, I agree that there isn't a huge talent drop as you click along this draft. I didn't read your comment that way, so I must have mis-read it.

Still -- if one doesn't think there's a big talent drop, wouldn't it be better to trade the #9 for 2 picks further down. It's not like we'd have trouble absorbing 2 rookies.

Over time we'll see whether there is/isn't a big different between Clarke & Hachimura. Whoever was right can point it to the other one, ok?

[payitforward]

Best option is still to trade our #9 to Boston for their #s14 &20 (or even 22).

I'm also curious whether there's someone the Hawks are dying to have @ #10. I'd give them our #9 for their #10 & their highest R2 pick -- well, as many of their 3 R2 picks as we could get out of them.

Interesting point on Hawks and Celtics, very doubtful they keep all those picks. Hawks I see being agressive and want to go up from 8. 20 and 22 = 9 on draft value charts, if Celtics offered 14 and 22 would jump all over that. Unless Coby White falls to 9.

Where'd you find a chart that shows that kind of thing? I'd be interested to look at it.

[trast66]

Best option is still to trade our #9 to Boston for their #s14 &20 (or even 22).

I'm also curious whether there's someone the Hawks are dying to have @ #10. I'd give them our #9 for their #10 & their highest R2 pick -- well, as many of their 3 R2 picks as we could get out of them.

Interesting point on Hawks and Celtics, very doubtful they keep all those picks. Hawks I see being agressive and want to go up from 8. 20 and 22 = 9 on draft value charts, if Celtics offered 14 and 22 would jump all over that. Unless Coby White falls to 9.

Where'd you find a chart that shows that kind of thing? I'd be interested to look at it.

http://nbasense.com/draft-pick-trade-value/2/kevin-pelton-2

[doclinkin]

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Huge paws on Goga. I like him.

I'm looking at: Goga, Luka, Doumbouya.
I'd love to get Bruno with a late pick.

If we stayed at 9 then Doumbouya is talented and fills a need and is young and developing with experience in a pro league.
If we trade down (#9 for the Celtics 20, 22, 51) most mocks suggest we could get Goga, Luka, and Ethan Happ. I can see good synergy there. Bigs who can play inside and out and a low-post skilled guy who does all the little things and will be a solid practice player and useful toolsy guy off the bench and to exemplify a try-hard attitude both here and on the bench.

[nate33]

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Huge paws on Goga. I like him.

I'm looking at: Goga, Luka, Doumbouya.
I'd love to get Bruno with a late pick.

If we stayed at 9 then Doumbouya is talented and fills a need and is young and developing with experience in a pro league.
If we trade down (#9 for the Celtics 20, 22, 51) most mocks suggest we could get Goga, Luka, and Ethan Happ. I can see good synergy there. Bigs who can play inside and out and a low-post skilled guy who does all the little things and will be a solid practice player and useful toolsy guy off the bench and to exemplify a try-hard attitude both here and on the bench.

That's a lot of big men!

I could support getting Goga and Luka, but I wouldn't add Happ to that mix. He would be unnecessary alongside Goga and Bryant, and I don't think Happ can survive defensively in the NBA. I'd rather go for a guard or forward.

[Ruzious]

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Huge paws on Goga. I like him.

I'm looking at: Goga, Luka, Doumbouya.
I'd love to get Bruno with a late pick.

If we stayed at 9 then Doumbouya is talented and fills a need and is young and developing with experience in a pro league.
If we trade down (#9 for the Celtics 20, 22, 51) most mocks suggest we could get Goga, Luka, and Ethan Happ. I can see good synergy there. Bigs who can play inside and out and a low-post skilled guy who does all the little things and will be a solid practice player and useful toolsy guy off the bench and to exemplify a try-hard attitude both here and on the bench.

Wow, Goga's got very smooth shooting form and agility/body control for a 7 footer. And he's a strong looking 7 footer for a young player. Like a 3 inch taller version of Mirotic?

[TGW]

I think once Goga starts playing 5-on-5's, and dominating the other bigs in this draft, he's going to move up. And he's only 19...a neophyte.

[doclinkin]

That's a lot of big men!

I could support getting Goga and Luka, but I wouldn't add Happ to that mix. He would be unnecessary alongside Goga and Bryant, and I don't think Happ can survive defensively in the NBA. I'd rather go for a guard or forward.

Happ is a hustling madman. Smart, good player with advanced low post skills. Great pass and steals numbers for the position, who rebounds well with fundamentally sound play and comes up large in big games. In building a team from scratch it is useful to consider attitude and chemistry and players who will help each other improve. At 51 if I can add a guy who will outwork the guys in front of him it adds to the team mindset, focus and attitude. I don't see any late pick guards who I'd want to take at 51. But talented bigs are what's available late nowadays.

We would be adding ranged bigs with face-up skills and pro experience. Luka looks to be able to defend wing players so he fits at both forward spots. If we are posting our bigs outside, then a guy like Happ can still do damage underneath. Check out his game logs. He did well against big teams like Maryland and Michigan State.

Yes we still need wings and guards. We would have to add them from the G league and upgrade in future drafts. But we are picking 9, in an era where wings are at a premium. We would have to pick them up another way.

[Dat2U]

Remember who told you guys about Goga first lol

[Dat2U]

That's a lot of big men!

I could support getting Goga and Luka, but I wouldn't add Happ to that mix. He would be unnecessary alongside Goga and Bryant, and I don't think Happ can survive defensively in the NBA. I'd rather go for a guard or forward.

Happ is a hustling madman. Smart, good player with advanced low post skills. Great pass and steals numbers for the position, who rebounds well with fundamentally sound play and comes up large in big games. In building a team from scratch it is useful to consider attitude and chemistry and players who will help each other improve. At 51 if I can add a guy who will outwork the guys in front of him it adds to the team mindset, focus and attitude. I don't see any late pick guards who I'd want to take at 51. But talented bigs are what's available late nowadays.

We would be adding ranged bigs with face-up skills and pro experience. Luka looks to be able to defend wing players so he fits at both forward spots. If we are posting our bigs outside, then a guy like Happ can still do damage underneath. Check out his game logs. He did well against big teams like Maryland and Michigan State.

Yes we still need wings and guards. We would have to add them from the G league and upgrade in future drafts. But we are picking 9, in an era where wings are at a premium. We would have to pick them up another way.

Happ will likely never become a full time starter but I can't help but think he'll hang around the NBA for 10 years carving out a niche as do-it-all role player. At 51 that's more than you can expect.

Goga, like Sekou is getting better right before our eyes. Even with the glut of Cs in the league Goga's tempting because he does so many things well a young age and he's solid athlete with a good frame. How valuable would Enes Kanter be if he shot 3s and defended consistently at high level?

[Illmatic12]

Per the Athletic, Hawks are targeting Sekou Doumbaya .. hopefully at #10 and not #8

[DCZards]

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Huge paws on Goga. I like him.

I'm looking at: Goga, Luka, Doumbouya.
I'd love to get Bruno with a late pick.

If we stayed at 9 then Doumbouya is talented and fills a need and is young and developing with experience in a pro league.
If we trade down (#9 for the Celtics 20, 22, 51) most mocks suggest we could get Goga, Luka, and Ethan Happ. I can see good synergy there. Bigs who can play inside and out and a low-post skilled guy who does all the little things and will be a solid practice player and useful toolsy guy off the bench and to exemplify a try-hard attitude both here and on the bench.

That's a lot of big men!

I could support getting Goga and Luka, but I wouldn't add Happ to that mix. He would be unnecessary alongside Goga and Bryant, and I don't think Happ can survive defensively in the NBA. I'd rather go for a guard or forward.

Yeah...if we're drafting three players at least one of them HAS to be a guard or forward who's capable of creating for themselves and teammates. To me, that's where the league is at right now and it's certainly a critical need for the Zards.

[pcbothwel]

Remember who told you guys about Goga first lol

Me ?