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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#61 » by jangles86 » Mon Feb 1, 2021 10:15 pm

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NatP4 wrote:There was a report today stating that the Pelicans and Hawks have interest, and that the wizards had a ton of interest in Okongwu on draft night before he went to Atlanta.



I don't really see Atlanta as a likely scenario. I suppose I'd consider a deal where we get back Okongwu, Hunter & Reddish.


https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7390801


I just don't really see Atlanta 's motivation for it.

It would look more like Hunter, okongwu, Heurter then reddish.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#62 » by pcbothwel » Mon Feb 1, 2021 10:18 pm

NatP4 wrote:There was a report today stating that the Pelicans and Hawks have interest, and that the wizards had a ton of interest in Okongwu on draft night before he went to Atlanta.


I was a huge OO fan, but he missed the 1st 10 games with a foot injury, then played in 5 of 9 games, then is out for another week with an Achilles injury. Oh man Id be a bit nervous if he's the main piece coming back.

But OO, Hunter, Snell, 2021 pick, 2023 pick with Protection (Lotto, Top 8, unprotected) is an interesting package. Id be willing to throw in Bonga too as they will need the perimeter defense/spot up shooting.
Let Russ light it up surrounded by defense and shooting. Trade him this summer for filler/expirings.
- Draft Suggs/Cade
- Resign Mathews on 3/12M deal

21/22:
Suggs / Winston
Mathews / Brown
Hunter / Deni
Rui / Bertans
Bryant / OO

- Wont make playoffs, but probably not a bottom 3-5 team. So call our 2022 pick 7th

Summer 2022. Have the same team (W/O Brown & Bryant) along with 47M in cap room and go after Beal.
- If we need to include some young players/pick in a trade for another Star to lure Beal. Do it.

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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#63 » by prime1time » Mon Feb 1, 2021 10:19 pm

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TGW wrote:A Westbrook, Beal, Drummond team would ensure that the wizards stay mediocre for a long time.

I disagree, if you look at the best teams they dominate the buy out market. If we can make a push, we might be able to compete with the Nets on the buyout market for Drummond. The best teams don’t pay top notch dollar for talent. This is where we need to be.

We are the worst team in the league. How on Earth are we going to compete with the Nets, or even Cleveland, in the buyout market?

Record isn't indicative of how good we are. Westbrook was playing injured and we had 6 players out due to Covid. Different team. Let's see where we are in 6 weeks.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#64 » by NatP4 » Mon Feb 1, 2021 10:21 pm

jangles86 wrote:
SUPERBALLMAN wrote:
NatP4 wrote:There was a report today stating that the Pelicans and Hawks have interest, and that the wizards had a ton of interest in Okongwu on draft night before he went to Atlanta.



I don't really see Atlanta as a likely scenario. I suppose I'd consider a deal where we get back Okongwu, Hunter & Reddish.


https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7390801


I just don't really see Atlanta 's motivation for it.

It would look more like Hunter, okongwu, Heurter then reddish.


Hunter&Okongwu would be a couple of great additions, if we also acquired Atlanta’s 2021 1st, that is a really solid trade. We could probably draft Jared Butler in that range to go along with our pick. Maybe we get lucky and land Suggs after a year of tanking.

Suggs Butler
Mathews Brown Jr
Hunter Bonga
Avdija Hachimura
Okongwu Bryant

That’s a really good team with a bright future.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#65 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Mon Feb 1, 2021 10:23 pm

NatP4 wrote:There was a report today stating that the Pelicans and Hawks have interest, and that the wizards had a ton of interest in Okongwu on draft night before he went to Atlanta.




https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2929255-sources-latest-rumors-on-bradley-beal-trade-wizards-hopes-to-poach-elite-gm
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#66 » by NatP4 » Mon Feb 1, 2021 10:23 pm

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NatP4 wrote:There was a report today stating that the Pelicans and Hawks have interest, and that the wizards had a ton of interest in Okongwu on draft night before he went to Atlanta.


I was a huge OO fan, but he missed the 1st 10 games with a foot injury, then played in 5 of 9 games, then is out for another week with an Achilles injury. Oh man Id be a bit nervous if he's the main piece coming back.

But OO, Hunter, Snell, 2021 pick, 2023 pick with Protection (Lotto, Top 8, unprotected) is an interesting package. Id be willing to throw in Bonga too as they will need the perimeter defense/spot up shooting.
Let Russ light it up surrounded by defense and shooting. Trade him this summer for filler/expirings.
- Draft Suggs/Cade
- Resign Mathews on 3/12M deal

21/22:
Suggs / Winston
Mathews / Brown
Hunter / Deni
Rui / Bertans
Bryant / OO

- Wont make playoffs, but probably not a bottom 3-5 team. So call our 2022 pick 7th

Summer 2022. Have the same team (W/O Brown & Bryant) along with 47M in cap room and go after Beal.
- If we need to include some young players/pick in a trade for another Star to lure Beal. Do it.

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Posted the exact same thing before I saw your post :lol:

Yep, that would be an outstanding situation, awesome young core. You didn’t include the 2021 draft pick from Atlanta which could be Butler, Wagner, Kispert, or any number of great players available in that range.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#67 » by prime1time » Mon Feb 1, 2021 10:27 pm

SUPERBALLMAN wrote:
NatP4 wrote:There was a report today stating that the Pelicans and Hawks have interest, and that the wizards had a ton of interest in Okongwu on draft night before he went to Atlanta.



I don't really see Atlanta as a likely scenario. I suppose I'd consider a deal where we get back Okongwu, Hunter & Reddish.


https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7390801


I just don't really see Atlanta 's motivation for it.

If Beal is going to be traded I wanted 1st round picks and pick swaps. Hunter, Reddish, Okongwu don't excite me. And we will be fast tracked into making a decision of whether or not to extend them after their rookie deals. Barring extraordinary growth, a team of Okongwu, Hunter and Reddish won't come close to competing for a championship. The trade should focus on maximizing our potential for drafting a star player. I.e. a top 3-5 pick from this year's NBA draft. What would the plan be after this trade?

Westbrook
Brown Jr/Hunter/Reddish
Advija/Bonga/Hunter/Reddish
Rui
Bryant/Okongwu

Also add in the first-round pick from this years draft. This trade would leave us worse off than we are now. Hunter, Okongwu and 3 first round picks, plus 2 pick swaps. That would be my baseline. And until Beal says he wants a trade it's not considered. And the reality is that Beal and Young aren't an ideal tandem.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#68 » by NatP4 » Mon Feb 1, 2021 11:09 pm

I don’t see anything on the Pelicans roster that would be intriguing in a Beal trade. Lewis and NAW are mediocre
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#69 » by pcbothwel » Mon Feb 1, 2021 11:22 pm

NatP4 wrote:I don’t see anything on the Pelicans roster that would be intriguing in a Beal trade. Lewis and NAW are mediocre


Thats the point. They want to keep Zion & Ingram.
Becuase of the AD/Jrue trade we could ask for Unprotected picks every year for the next 7 years. That has to mean something
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#70 » by Dat2U » Mon Feb 1, 2021 11:26 pm

SUPERBALLMAN wrote:
NatP4 wrote:There was a report today stating that the Pelicans and Hawks have interest, and that the wizards had a ton of interest in Okongwu on draft night before he went to Atlanta.




https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2929255-sources-latest-rumors-on-bradley-beal-trade-wizards-hopes-to-poach-elite-gm


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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#71 » by Dat2U » Mon Feb 1, 2021 11:33 pm

NatP4 wrote:I don’t see anything on the Pelicans roster that would be intriguing in a Beal trade. Lewis and NAW are mediocre


Only thing they can offer is draft capital. Tons of **** picks from LA, Mil and their own (once they get Beal). We could own the bottom half of the draft for a couple years tho lol. Payit would probably freaking love it. Could probably get like 8 low firsts.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#72 » by Dat2U » Mon Feb 1, 2021 11:56 pm

SUPERBALLMAN wrote:
NatP4 wrote:There was a report today stating that the Pelicans and Hawks have interest, and that the wizards had a ton of interest in Okongwu on draft night before he went to Atlanta.




https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2929255-sources-latest-rumors-on-bradley-beal-trade-wizards-hopes-to-poach-elite-gm


I was checking out the stats and Collins is really playing well right now and honestly looks like an all-star in his own right. He's also looks much better on the defensive end now that he's paired with Capela. He's not a guy we'd rebuild with. He's a win now guy due a big pay day, but he's so productive and still young that if the package is right you have to consider it.

I initially pushed back on Collins when previously suggested but maybe he could be the centerpiece if Hunter & Okongwu are part of that with future 1sts. Even better if you can swap Bertans with Bogdanovic to fill needs for both.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#73 » by The Consiglieri » Tue Feb 2, 2021 12:02 am

NatP4 wrote:Michael Porter Jr is really the only grade A asset I’m seeing in any of these trade proposals. The Minnesota pick is pretty meh with Mobley, Cunningham, Suggs off the board. I would pretty disappointed to end up with Wiseman&Kuminga for Beal. Actually I would probably turn in my wizard fan card after that.

What is the realistic likelihood of trading our pick+Minny pick to get into the top 3? What are the chances that another team steps up on Kuminga/Green and lets Suggs fall to 4?


I could be wrong but my understanding is the '22 draft is pretty sweet too, where Minny's pick would be unprotected. I think either way, the pick is potentially very exciting, whether it's in the 4-6 zone this year, or unknown next year. It is a bummer that it's top 3 protected, but regardless, I like the value of the Warriors offer. If MP JR is in really good position health wise long term, I like that one as well, though I think there's no chance we'd get MP JR AND Murray.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#74 » by prime1time » Tue Feb 2, 2021 12:55 am

NatP4 wrote:
jangles86 wrote:
SUPERBALLMAN wrote:

I don't really see Atlanta as a likely scenario. I suppose I'd consider a deal where we get back Okongwu, Hunter & Reddish.


https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7390801


I just don't really see Atlanta 's motivation for it.

It would look more like Hunter, okongwu, Heurter then reddish.


Hunter&Okongwu would be a couple of great additions, if we also acquired Atlanta’s 2021 1st, that is a really solid trade. We could probably draft Jared Butler in that range to go along with our pick. Maybe we get lucky and land Suggs after a year of tanking.

Suggs Butler
Mathews Brown Jr
Hunter Bonga
Avdija Hachimura
Okongwu Bryant

That’s a really good team with a bright future.

Are you being serious? Let's be honest for a second. Next year we have to make a decision on Brown Jr. With this lineup he's gone. Suggs would take 2 or 3 years to come in to his own. By that time we have to decide on Hunter and Rui. What do we do? How much should we resign them especially given the fact that this team likely won't be competing with top playoff teams. I'd give up everyone but Suggs on that roster for a high round draft pick to draft a star. Okongwu hasn't shown anything. And even if the Adebayo (his best case scenario comes to fruition) it would take 2 to 4 years before we know. By that time we decide have to decide on Bryant. Bonga is gone. Jared Butler is a throwaway that hasn't proved anything. Also, no vets anywhere to lead ththis team.

A bunch of young players with potential seems appealing but it never works out. You are forced to make decisions on extending players before you are really successful thus taking on a significant amount of risk. Basically, if you think Hunter and Okongwu could develop into stars then this team would have a chance. But even then, you'd be better off trading some young players and bringing in vets. I love Suggs. But I'll be plain. I don't see Hunter ever being as good a player as Beal. And until he proves otherwise Okongwu is just like every other non-skilled big man. It should be highly telling that he's struggling to even crack the rotation.

Onyeka was a good option, when we had Beal and we had a hole at center. If we are rebuilding from the ground up, I think there's real questions as to why we need him. When is the goal for this team to be competitive? Would we be good next year or would we be drafting high again? If we have a high draft pick, what position and how do you justify blocking the development of a young player we traded Beal for?

Lastly, what's the time frame for this team to be competitive? The best teams have a combination of vets and young players on rookie deals. I'd contend that with Suggs, the winning time frame should be his prime. In that case, draft picks and not players would be most valuable. We'd be forced to make decisions on players who are more likely to be role players than genuine stars. Also, these players would prevent us from bottoming out and hurt our ability to draft stars. Stockpile draft picks, and then try to use them to trade up in future drafts to trade up and get a potential star.

I'd much rather want MPJr + first round picks + pick swaps than that deal. I belive MPJr has a chance to be a star. Suggs + MPJr + FRP's would likely struggle early so we'd be able to draft another star. Stockpiling on what is likely to be middling role players will not really work. Bet on stars and then figure out the rest.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#75 » by The Consiglieri » Tue Feb 2, 2021 1:16 am

SUPERBALLMAN wrote:
NatP4 wrote:There was a report today stating that the Pelicans and Hawks have interest, and that the wizards had a ton of interest in Okongwu on draft night before he went to Atlanta.



I don't really see Atlanta as a likely scenario. I suppose I'd consider a deal where we get back Okongwu, Hunter & Reddish.


https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7390801


I just don't really see Atlanta 's motivation for it.


I wonder how we ranked Okongwu in comparison to Avdija. I tend to think we were all in on Okongwu but that we also had zero expectation that Avdija would be there. Who would we have taken if both were there? I tend to think Avdija.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#76 » by payitforward » Tue Feb 2, 2021 1:46 am

prime1time wrote:
nate33 wrote:
prime1time wrote:I disagree, if you look at the best teams they dominate the buy out market. If we can make a push, we might be able to compete with the Nets on the buyout market for Drummond. The best teams don’t pay top notch dollar for talent. This is where we need to be.

We are the worst team in the league. How on Earth are we going to compete with the Nets, or even Cleveland, in the buyout market?

Record isn't indicative of how good we are. Westbrook was playing injured and we had 6 players out due to Covid. Different team. Let's see where we are in 6 weeks.

Right... one miraculously insane victory is "indicative of how good we are."

Anyway, Cleveland isn't going to buy out Andre Drummond. Why would they, when SUPERBALLMAN is ready to give them Thomas Bryant, Troy, & I forget who else for him! :)
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#77 » by NatP4 » Tue Feb 2, 2021 4:00 am

The Consiglieri wrote:
NatP4 wrote:Michael Porter Jr is really the only grade A asset I’m seeing in any of these trade proposals. The Minnesota pick is pretty meh with Mobley, Cunningham, Suggs off the board. I would pretty disappointed to end up with Wiseman&Kuminga for Beal. Actually I would probably turn in my wizard fan card after that.

What is the realistic likelihood of trading our pick+Minny pick to get into the top 3? What are the chances that another team steps up on Kuminga/Green and lets Suggs fall to 4?


I could be wrong but my understanding is the '22 draft is pretty sweet too, where Minny's pick would be unprotected. I think either way, the pick is potentially very exciting, whether it's in the 4-6 zone this year, or unknown next year. It is a bummer that it's top 3 protected, but regardless, I like the value of the Warriors offer. If MP JR is in really good position health wise long term, I like that one as well, though I think there's no chance we'd get MP JR AND Murray.


If I personally had to rank the proposed deals on this board, I’d go like this:

1. Atlanta (Collins/Hunter/Okongwu/ATL mid 1st)

2. GS (GS mid 1st/Minny lottery 1st/Wiseman)

3. Denver (MPJR+multiple low 1sts)

4. Philly (Simmons+Maxey+low 1st)

5. Miami (Herro+Achiuwa+future 1sts)

6. Anything the Pelicans can offer
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#78 » by gambitx777 » Tue Feb 2, 2021 4:20 am

Can we please take simmons out of this. Got I hate the idea of trading for him. We would be in the exact same spot but with a worse player. Yes I think beals better. He's got a better kind set and is more healthy. I think simmons is Injury prone, he's never gonna be able to shoot, and he needs a lot of good pieces around him and we are gonna be right back to having an unhappy star.
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NatP4 wrote:Michael Porter Jr is really the only grade A asset I’m seeing in any of these trade proposals. The Minnesota pick is pretty meh with Mobley, Cunningham, Suggs off the board. I would pretty disappointed to end up with Wiseman&Kuminga for Beal. Actually I would probably turn in my wizard fan card after that.

What is the realistic likelihood of trading our pick+Minny pick to get into the top 3? What are the chances that another team steps up on Kuminga/Green and lets Suggs fall to 4?


I could be wrong but my understanding is the '22 draft is pretty sweet too, where Minny's pick would be unprotected. I think either way, the pick is potentially very exciting, whether it's in the 4-6 zone this year, or unknown next year. It is a bummer that it's top 3 protected, but regardless, I like the value of the Warriors offer. If MP JR is in really good position health wise long term, I like that one as well, though I think there's no chance we'd get MP JR AND Murray.


If I personally had to rank the proposed deals on this board, I’d go like this:

1. Atlanta (Collins/Hunter/Okongwu/ATL mid 1st)

2. GS (GS mid 1st/Minny lottery 1st/Wiseman)

3. Denver (MPJR+multiple low 1sts)

4. Philly (Simmons+Maxey+low 1st)

5. Miami (Herro+Achiuwa+future 1sts)

6. Anything the Pelicans can offer


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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#79 » by gambitx777 » Tue Feb 2, 2021 6:25 am

I've made one of these before but. What about this
Davis B .
For
ball and the wizards 2021 second ( NO has it)
Then
We trade ish to a team who needs pg depth for a younger big? Like mo bamba so someone of the like.

Balls defence would be great for us and I think he would looks great in the 3 guard line ups that brooks loves.

Davis isn't going to be jna. Slump for ever, and NO needs shooting bad!

Trading ish would be a dream as t this point !

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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XL 

Post#80 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Tue Feb 2, 2021 8:06 am

A trade with Warriors that looks plausible would send them Beal + Bertans in exchange for Wiggins, Wiseman, Poole + 3 1sts (2 in 2021 + 1 in 2023).

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