Wizards set to acquire Spencer Dinwiddie

[DCZards]

I’d expect to see some lineups featuring Beal, Dinwiddie and Holiday. This will be a particularly effective lineup if Holiday can get his 3pt shooting back up to around 39%.

Though only 6-0 Holiday is long and physical and can hold his own defensively.

If it comes down to trading one of them, I’m moving Harrell, not Bryant. I’m curious to see how the Gafford/Bryant duo at C works out.

Harrell is significantly better than Bryant. Harrell is probably one of the best role players in the NBA. His on/off impact is star level.

Bryant is a good shooter with range out to the 3pt line. Neither Gafford nor Harrell can make a shot outside of 10ft.

That’s one of the main reasons I prefer the pairing of Gafford and Bryant to the combo of Gafford and Harrell.

[nate33]

Let it go people. Neither Gafford, nor Harrell, nor Bryant are going to play more than maybe 50 total minutes at PF, and that's only if there is a slew of injuries. A twin tower lineup wasn't a good idea the last 10 times it was brought up, and it's not a good idea now.

It is only a good idea if your power forward is hyper athletic like Anthony Davis or Giannis.

[Dat2U]

Around $20 mil is fair considering the market. The biggest concerns are the injury history, the spotty 3 pt shooting and the defense but he could teach a master class at getting all the way to the rim off the bounce. He's a very good offensive player in spite of the inconsistent 3.

I do think he necessitates starting Gafford to cover up his defensive shortcomings.

Instead of Sharife Cooper, Tommy Shepherd acquired a known NBA commodity.

That's so true. Sharife would have been a great understudy for Dinwiddie too.

[dckingsfan]

Let it go people. Neither Gafford, nor Harrell, nor Bryant are going to play more than maybe 50 total minutes at PF, and that's only if there is a slew of injuries. A twin tower lineup wasn't a good idea the last 10 times it was brought up, and it's not a good idea now.

It is only a good idea if your power forward is hyper athletic like Anthony Davis or Giannis.

I would have wanted to see Bryant/Gafford but only in this context: I absolutely hated our 3 PG lineups last year. I would have preferred the twin tower concept to that.

But now, we have a deep set of wings... let's not cut down on their collective PT.

[Dat2U]

Let it go people. Neither Gafford, nor Harrell, nor Bryant are going to play more than maybe 50 total minutes at PF, and that's only if there is a slew of injuries. A twin tower lineup wasn't a good idea the last 10 times it was brought up, and it's not a good idea now.

It is only a good idea if your power forward is hyper athletic like Anthony Davis or Giannis.

x1000. It's so much different from even 6 years ago. Nene would be strictly a C nowadays. Spacing and the ability to cover space is what matters. Teams shoot too well from 3 to expect slow plodding bigs to cover the space needed to guard these guys.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

In his last healthy season two years ago, Dinwiddie led the Nets to a 27-25 record in the 52 games that Kyrie missed. His best teammates were Jarret Allen, Joe Harris, Caris Levert (who missed 28 games), Taurean Prince, and Garrett Temple. He is a good player.

Dinwiddie played in 44 of the 52 games that Kyrie missed since he missed the bubble due to testing positive for Covid. So by my calculations the Nets were 22-22 without Irving when Dinwiddie played- and were 30-34 when Dinwiddie played with Irving. The Nets were 5-3 in the bubble without both Irving and Dinwiddie.

Some of the contracts thrown out for those guys recently

Jarrett Allen - 5 years 100 million
Joe Harris - 4 years 75 million
Caris Lavert - 3 years 52 million
Taurean Prince - 2 years 25 million
Garrett TEmple- 1 year 5 Million

Not the worst talented bunch but the Wizards are certainly look to be more talented on paper- granted so is the rest of the Eastern Conference looks stronger in the 2021-22 season.

Ernie Grunfeld acquired Nicholson and Jason Smith. He ended up giving away the first that turned out to be Jarett Allen, just to cover his misstep. On draft day for Allen a few of us just knew Allen would turn out good. I posted as much. Now Allen is a $20M/yr guy. GOD BLESSED HIM that the old Wizards under our previous GM didn't actually draft and retain him. He could have ended up like Brown Jr or Vesely or Seraphin or other what ifs.

The few not necessarily complaints I have about what Tommy has done so far: 1)Isaiah Jackson is stud, a physical freak, and a guy I would have kept. HOW GOOD WILL TODD BE? If or when that happens will the Wizards have him under a good contract. What are the chances Todd ever develops now with a glut of forwards? 2)Same thing for Deni Avidja. Where are his minutes. 3)Is Bertans a sell low guy? Expensive roll player?

I like the direction Shepherd is going and I'm guessing he's got this stuff already planned out.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Let it go people. Neither Gafford, nor Harrell, nor Bryant are going to play more than maybe 50 total minutes at PF, and that's only if there is a slew of injuries. A twin tower lineup wasn't a good idea the last 10 times it was brought up, and it's not a good idea now.

It is only a good idea if your power forward is hyper athletic like Anthony Davis or Giannis.

x1000. It's so much different from even 6 years ago. Nene would be strictly a C nowadays. Spacing and the ability to cover space is what matters. Teams shoot too well from 3 to expect slow plodding bigs to cover the space needed to guard these guys.

for now

Things are cyclic. Nene could cover space early in his career.

Actually met him and got his autograph at Pete Newell's. Not sure if he spoke much English at all. Something like 2002.

[payitforward]

...f it comes down to trading one of them, I’m moving Harrell, not Bryant. I’m curious to see how the Gafford/Bryant duo at C works out.

Harrell is significantly better than Bryant. Harrell is probably one of the best role players in the NBA. His on/off impact is star level.

I like Harrell, but he's not as valuable as Bryant. He's a better defender, give him that. But, nobody has claimed he's an especially good defender.

On offense (looking at 19-20 as the last season when they both played), Harrell scored @5 more points than Bryant per 40 minutes, but Bryant was significantly more efficient -- those extra points required Trez to take 4 more shots & 4 more FTAs.

Citing on/off is a fool's game without a very deep & detailed dive. It depends hugely on who is on the floor when you are & when you aren't, on who replaces you, & much more.

Above all, Thomas Bryant is fully 3 & 1/2 years younger than Montrezl Harrell. He turned 24 on Saturday. Plus, finally, Harrell is 6' 7". He's more effective at the 4 than the 5.

[DCZards]

Let it go people. Neither Gafford, nor Harrell, nor Bryant are going to play more than maybe 50 total minutes at PF, and that's only if there is a slew of injuries. A twin tower lineup wasn't a good idea the last 10 times it was brought up, and it's not a good idea now.

It is only a good idea if your power forward is hyper athletic like Anthony Davis or Giannis.

Not talking about Gafford and Bryant playing together. Just which two Cs I’d keep if I had to trade one.

Tho I might see if Bryant and Gafford could share the court in spurts.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

...f it comes down to trading one of them, I’m moving Harrell, not Bryant. I’m curious to see how the Gafford/Bryant duo at C works out.

Harrell is significantly better than Bryant. Harrell is probably one of the best role players in the NBA. His on/off impact is star level.

I like Harrell, but he's not as valuable as Bryant. He's a better defender, give him that. But, nobody has claimed he's an especially good defender.

On offense (looking at 19-20 as the last season when they both played), Harrell scored @5 more points than Bryant per 40 minutes, but Bryant was significantly more efficient -- those extra points required Trez to take 4 more shots & 4 more FTAs.

Citing on/off is a fool's game without a very deep & detailed dive. It depends hugely on who is on the floor when you are & when you aren't, on who replaces you, & much more.

Above all, Thomas Bryant is fully 3 & 1/2 years younger than Montrezl Harrell. He turned 24 on Saturday. Plus, finally, Harrell is 6' 7". He's more effective at the 4 than the 5.

I’m pretty sure you can put them both on the court together at the four and five. I like both Montrezl Harrell and Thomas Bryant.

[WallToWall]

I suspect this Dinwiddie deal will not close till the Westbrook deal closes… so, Friday. Tommy is probably looking for the best additions/subtractions to make along with all this.

[doclinkin]

...f it comes down to trading one of them, I’m moving Harrell, not Bryant. I’m curious to see how the Gafford/Bryant duo at C works out.

Harrell is significantly better than Bryant. Harrell is probably one of the best role players in the NBA. His on/off impact is star level.

I like Harrell, but he's not as valuable as Bryant. He's a better defender, give him that. But, nobody has claimed he's an especially good defender.

On offense (looking at 19-20 as the last season when they both played), Harrell scored @5 more points than Bryant per 40 minutes, but Bryant was significantly more efficient -- those extra points required Trez to take 4 more shots & 4 more FTAs.

Citing on/off is a fool's game without a very deep & detailed dive. It depends hugely on who is on the floor when you are & when you aren't, on who replaces you, & much more.

It's also incorrect. Harrell was -2.5 this past year in the regular season, then -13.3 in the postseason.
In 2020 he was -.9 in the regular season, then -28.5 in the post season.

That's a serious margin when the average scoring differential in the NBA is generally 2-3 points year after year.

[wall_glizzy]

Harrell is significantly better than Bryant. Harrell is probably one of the best role players in the NBA. His on/off impact is star level.

I like Harrell, but he's not as valuable as Bryant. He's a better defender, give him that. But, nobody has claimed he's an especially good defender.

On offense (looking at 19-20 as the last season when they both played), Harrell scored @5 more points than Bryant per 40 minutes, but Bryant was significantly more efficient -- those extra points required Trez to take 4 more shots & 4 more FTAs.

Citing on/off is a fool's game without a very deep & detailed dive. It depends hugely on who is on the floor when you are & when you aren't, on who replaces you, & much more.

It's also incorrect. Harrell was -2.5 this past year in the regular season, then -13.3 in the postseason.
In 2020 he was -.9 in the regular season, then -28.5 in the post season.

That's a serious margin when the average scoring differential in the NBA is generally 2-3 points year after year.

Yup, he gets mercilessly targeted in the playoffs year after year. Decent energy big for the regular season, but with such a logjam at the position he's totally expendable for us.

[payitforward]

Obviously, the point of the trade with LA was to move Westbrook, not to pick up Harrell, Kuzma or even KCP. We'd have taken Harrell's grandma instead of him if needed.

That doesn't mean he's a bad player. He just isn't a high-value player at his salary. He was a huge surprise out of the 2015 R2. He'd shown no offense in college; turned out he had some. That got him a nice contract -- good for him! But, as with so many guys, he's now making just a little bit more than he's worth!

OTOH, depending on how things fall out, he may get another nice offer for a couple or 3 years next off season. Not from us, but someone may like him. Meantime, it'd be great to trade him for future assets. Or in the Dinwiddie deal, if he helps with that.

[NatP4]

Has Harrell ever played the 4? I don’t see that as an option at all.

I guess it could go either way, Bryant is younger and more valuable as a core piece, but he’s also coming off a major knee injury and a total liability on D. Harrell brings rim protection and defense and a physicality that we lacked before acquiring Gafford last year. Raptor says Harrell was just as impactful as Anthony Davis last year.

Holding onto a stretch 5 might be more useful. Either player is sufficient as a backup C.

[bsilver]

Harrell can play C or PF, but his value to us seems to be as a C, since we only have 2 at this time. There's such a backlog at PF, so unless someone is moved, there's not enough minutes for Rui/Kuzma/Bertans, plus Harrell.

On a good day, Harrell can be better than Gafford or Bryant. He's a useful player obviously, or he wouldn't have won the 6th man of the year award.

[bsilver]

I've been a Dinwiddie fan for a while. Maybe that's because he's dominated the Wizards so many times. Trading Westbrook made it possible, and it still seems amazing that we were able to manage that. The Lakers may make it work, but it can easily be a train wreck.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I like Harrell, but he's not as valuable as Bryant. He's a better defender, give him that. But, nobody has claimed he's an especially good defender.

On offense (looking at 19-20 as the last season when they both played), Harrell scored @5 more points than Bryant per 40 minutes, but Bryant was significantly more efficient -- those extra points required Trez to take 4 more shots & 4 more FTAs.

Citing on/off is a fool's game without a very deep & detailed dive. It depends hugely on who is on the floor when you are & when you aren't, on who replaces you, & much more.

It's also incorrect. Harrell was -2.5 this past year in the regular season, then -13.3 in the postseason.
In 2020 he was -.9 in the regular season, then -28.5 in the post season.

That's a serious margin when the average scoring differential in the NBA is generally 2-3 points year after year.

Yup, he gets mercilessly targeted in the playoffs year after year. Decent energy big for the regular season, but with such a logjam at the position he's totally expendable for us.

http://www.sportsforecaster.com/nba/player/3848

WHO WAS THE NBA 6th MAN OF THE YEAR in 2019-20?

What was said about Harrell going to the Lakers?

https://ca.nba.com/news/how-much-better-does-montrezl-harrell-actually-make-the-los-angeles-lakers/1lll1poppp0pj1bt8nwthnwmpl

{Harrell} is a fascinating addition for the Lakers on a number of levels. First and foremost, it's a big-time pickup for their second unit.

Watch on YouTube

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Montrezl-Harrell-7019/

Harrell measured only 6'7 without shoes, but compensated with a huge 7'4.25 wingspan. Harrell's wingspan to height differential is a ridiculous 9.25 inches. His 253 pound frame for his length and explosiveness puts him in a somewhat unique group body-type wise. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Montrezl-Harrell-7019/ ©DraftExpress

Another (old, when they were free) DX report:

"It remains to be seen how Harrell will score consistently in an NBA half-court setting, as he doesn't have one overly polished skill you can point to, besides his tremendous motor. His touch around the basket is average, and his footwork is underdeveloped, while his shooting range is very much a work in progress and may never be something a coach can consistently rely on. Harrell will make a living off hustle plays, but with the way the league is evolving, teams often are hoping for a higher skill-level from the power forward position." - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Montrezl-Harrell-7019/ ©DraftExpress

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Hustle play, sixth man at 4 or 5 who you throw at tired Embiid and tired Giannis to hopefully draw a foul.

Terrific addition by TS.

[9 and 20]

Dinwiddie or Dinnwon'the? What's the holdup? Seems like they're working on a trade - maybe dumping Kuzma to a team that actually wants him - Spurs or Minny? He's better than Bertans at most things, but Bertans is better than him at maybe the most important thing. Either way, if all we give up is Kuzma, I'm fine with it. Would be less OK with a Harrell/Jordan swap, but even that would be fine if we could get a future 2nd round pick, just on principle.

I like the fit. He seems to rely much more on headiness and awareness than Westbrook, who was more reliant on athleticism. YOu can get away with that if you're among the best athletes ever at your position though!