Kyshawn George

[pcbothwel]

Shannon would have been a much better pick.

Except for the whole ‘on trial for sexual assault’ thing. I don’t think a rebuilding team with a mess of rookies and youth wants to risk that energy in the locker room.

If they wanted a tall shooter I’d have looked at the Aussie Furphy. Me I think I’d have taken the guy OKC traded for in Dillon Jones. He might be doughy looking too but he can flat out play.

I would have drafted Shannon. I’m not holding the arrest against the young man since he was acquitted.

I had Shannon in that range. However, there are legit concerns about his game translating. He is almost 24 with a grown mans body and high-level athleticism. He is bigger/stronger/faster with more experience than almost everyone who steps on the floor with him. That will change very quickly.
His entire HS recruiting class are literally on their 2nd contracts (Cole Anthony, Edwards, Maxey, Josh Green, Okongwu, Patrick Williams, Melo, Okoro, etc.)

His lack of touch and IQ are alarming, and I do worry they will be more pronounced in the NBA and he wont be nearly as efficient.
I mean, How do we think Patrick Williams or Okoro would look if they played in the college this last year? Just some perspective.

[nate33]

Except for the whole ‘on trial for sexual assault’ thing. I don’t think a rebuilding team with a mess of rookies and youth wants to risk that energy in the locker room.

If they wanted a tall shooter I’d have looked at the Aussie Furphy. Me I think I’d have taken the guy OKC traded for in Dillon Jones. He might be doughy looking too but he can flat out play.

I would have drafted Shannon. I’m not holding the arrest against the young man since he was acquitted.

I had Shannon in that range. However, there are legit concerns about his game translating. He is almost 24 with a grown mans body and high-level athleticism. He is bigger/stronger/faster with more experience than almost everyone who steps on the floor with him. That will change very quickly.
His entire HS recruiting class are literally on their 2nd contracts (Cole Anthony, Edwards, Maxey, Josh Green, Okongwu, Patrick Williams, Melo, Okoro, etc.)

His lack of touch and IQ are alarming, and I do worry they will be more pronounced in the NBA and he wont be nearly as efficient.
I mean, How do we think Patrick Williams or Okoro would look if they played in the college this last year? Just some perspective.

Yeah, I recognize that him being older gives him an advantage over other guys in his draft class. But why were people freaking out about Knecht dropping to #17 while saying nothing about Shannon going 27th? Statistically, Knecht isn't any better than Shannon.

[Kanyewest]

I have no opinion on this guy's game but he seemed like a nice guy based on the Wizards draft day introduction. He opened up with saying that he's a great cook.

[9 and 20]

George needs to hit the weight room and the treadmill. Not an NBA athlete at this point. Has some skills and feel for the game though.

[FAH1223]

George needs to hit the weight room and the treadmill. Not an NBA athlete at this point. Has some skills and feel for the game though.

Yeah. He made some nice dimes. Dawkins said they will have him run point forward in SL.

He can shoot.

But he needs to be living in the weight room and running. G-League will be very good for him.

[pcbothwel]

George needs to hit the weight room and the treadmill. Not an NBA athlete at this point. Has some skills and feel for the game though.

Yeah. He made some nice dimes. Dawkins said they will have him run point forward in SL.

He can shoot.

But he needs to be living in the weight room and running. G-League will be very good for him.

Agreed. I see the Bojan/Ingles Comp with him. High level 7th man that can shoot, make the smart pass, and play with active hands on defense.

[payitforward]

Rather than trade 26 & 51 for 24 -- to insure we got George -- I'd have much rather traded 26 for Portland's 34 & 40 (both of which picks they did trade, btw). This looks like an extremely strong R2 to me.

Dsurisic (34), KJ Simpson (40), Cam Spencer or Ulrich Chomche (51).

Now... I don't know that such a trade was possible.

[closg00]

The kid has some swag, he’s not afraid to launch it and his stroke is true. At PG his handles looked very sloppy,and on D he is completely uninterested, hope he takes to coaching and has a desire to improve.

[NatP4]

The kid has some swag, he’s not afraid to launch it and his stroke is true. At PG his handles looked very sloppy,and on D he is completely uninterested, hope he takes to coaching and has a desire to improve.

Yeah my take on George yesterday:

Looked good when he plays his future NBA role: standing in the corner shooting catch and shoot 3s. Made a couple.

When asked to play with the ball, he was awful. It’s not the fact that he had 4 or so turnovers, it’s that all of his turnovers are brutal. Dribbling into traffic repeatedly, throwing the ball straight to the other team. As for his defense: on ball, was fine, gave some effort. Off ball: terrible, got back door cut 4-5 times in the game. Looks totally disinterested.

If he was some raw one and done 18 year old prospect, I would feel okay with the upside swing, but he turns 21 in December. Wasn’t good enough to play in the top French league, played in the B division and was awful, leaves France to play in the NCAA and was awful for a 20 year old freshman.

I get it, they are trying to stretch the limits of his potential in summer league. Still hopeful that he can be a Cam Johnson type of 3&D wing.

[FarBeyondDriven]

The kid has some swag, he’s not afraid to launch it and his stroke is true. At PG his handles looked very sloppy,and on D he is completely uninterested, hope he takes to coaching and has a desire to improve.

Yeah my take on George yesterday:

Looked good when he plays his future NBA role: standing in the corner shooting catch and shoot 3s. Made a couple.

When asked to play with the ball, he was awful. It’s not the fact that he had 4 or so turnovers, it’s that all of his turnovers are brutal. Dribbling into traffic repeatedly, throwing the ball straight to the other team. As for his defense: on ball, was fine, gave some effort. Off ball: terrible, got back door cut 4-5 times in the game. Looks totally disinterested.

If he was some raw one and done 18 year old prospect, I would feel okay with the upside swing, but he turns 21 in December. Wasn’t good enough to play in the top French league, played in the B division and was awful, leaves France to play in the NCAA and was awful for a 20 year old freshman.

I get it, they are trying to stretch the limits of his potential in summer league. Still hopeful that he can be a Cam Johnson type of 3&D wing.

The coaching for SL has been brutal for you guys. It didn't seem like they ran any plays. George has Point Forward skills but is too young to be expecting that from him now outside of running the PnR which they weren't doing yesterday. I had George very high on my board but I've noticed after watching interviews and seeing his body language and how he acts, that he seems immature. He has a somewhat too cool for school thing going on which is never a good sign. If I had know this prior I would have had him in the 20s instead but luckily for you guys that's where he went! Some of his mishaps with the ball in his hands and on defense could serve to wake him up and force him to take things more seriously. He really does need to be in better shape. I would't send him to the G-League though. He's too good for that and he's not 19 y/o either. Let him earn minutes in the NBA and practice against his peers. Wizards aren't trying to contend right? So no reason to keep him down. He will not look out of place on the 2nd unit playing 15-20 mpg

[doclinkin]

We saw a bit this last game of KsG's ability to read the floor. (If not run the floor. In more than a few cases we saw his ability to lay on the floor when he stumbled over his own momentum and lost the ball). Still, a few nice passes, his shot still looks good, his defense was a half-notch better than hapless. I liked seeing the experiment of him playing at point forward. Summer league is exactly the place to try out some radical concepts.

Mostly I'm thinking he probably needs to not be his own personal chef (a bacon-wrapped bagel is probably not the diet he should be featuring). If he works on his body, balance, core, etc. then his length, smooth shot, and vision may become a useful asset. Yeah he's an older rookie, but the late growth spurt does set his clock back some. I will say I am more curious and intrigued than my initial impressions of him based on highlights and edited game footage.

[DCZards]

Mostly I'm thinking he probably needs to not be his own personal chef (a bacon-wrapped bagel is probably not the diet he should be featuring). If he works on his body, balance, core, etc. then he his length, smooth shot, and vision may become a useful asset. Yeah he's an older rookie, but the late growth spurt does set his clock back some. I will say I am more curious and intrigued than my initial impressions of him based on highlights and edited game footage.

I totally agree with that last part.

But why this frequent reference to George’s age? When did being 20 yrs old somehow make you a risky draft pick?

Tristan da Silva and Dalton Knecht are 23 yrs old. Both were drafted ahead of George. Some here thought the Zards should have drafted Shannon instead of George. He’ll be 24 yrs old in about 2 weeks.

[payitforward]

George had a late growth spurt? I knew that Bub did... but not George.
In any case, he has a lot to work with.

OTOH, I think there were enough prospects available at that point to make it unnecessary to move up 2 spots in order to be sure of getting him. I.e. would I rather have one of the next few guys taken plus e.g. Ulrich Chomche w/ the #51 we gave to move up? Yeah.

[doclinkin]

George had a late growth spurt? I knew that Bub did... but not George.
In any case, he has a lot to work with.

OTOH, I think there were enough prospects available at that point to make it unnecessary to move up 2 spots in order to be sure of getting him. I.e. would I rather have one of the next few guys taken plus e.g. Ulrich Chomche w/ the #51 we gave to move up? Yeah.

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/college/acc/university-of-miami/article274518061.html

A cerebral player, he is a true student of the game and has a strong basketball IQ. Kyshawn has competed at a high level in France, both with and against older players, which will help him adjust to the physicality of college basketball.” He had a growth spurt the past two years, stretching nearly 10 inches from 5-8 to 6-6 and added 66 pounds to his frame. He is the son of former Saint Francis (PA) forward Deon George, a Canadian native who went on to play professionally in Switzerland. George has represented Switzerland on the international level in August 2019 at the FIBA U16 European Championship Division B in Podgorica, Montenegro. He played in six games during the prestigious tournament. Domestically, George helped lead his team to a 2016 Swiss championship at the U16 level while just 13 years old.

[pcbothwel]

George had a late growth spurt? I knew that Bub did... but not George.

Yeah...He was ~5'8 as a 13/14 y/o for the U16 team...and a 6'3, 165lb PG going into his senior year (in France) I believe.

[dckingsfan]

Rather than trade 26 & 51 for 24 -- to insure we got George -- I'd have much rather traded 26 for Portland's 34 & 40 (both of which picks they did trade, btw). This looks like an extremely strong R2 to me.

Dsurisic (34), KJ Simpson (40), Cam Spencer or Ulrich Chomche (51).

Now... I don't know that such a trade was possible.

Exactly. I am sure that the FO offered this trade and was rejected.

[payitforward]

Don't think we can be "sure," but it would not have been a surprise.

We can keep an eye on Djurisic, Simpson & Chomche to see how they do in the league....

[payitforward]

...https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/college/acc/university-of-miami/article274518061.html.

"A cerebral player, he is a true student of the game and has a strong basketball IQ...."

That is a very useful thing to know!

[doclinkin]

...https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/college/acc/university-of-miami/article274518061.html.

"A cerebral player, he is a true student of the game and has a strong basketball IQ...."

That is a very useful thing to know!

Although we can't really "know". There's no footage of him actually studying the game. I don't think we can be sure. We can keep an eye on him and find out.

[9 and 20]

The kid has some swag, he’s not afraid to launch it and his stroke is true. At PG his handles looked very sloppy,and on D he is completely uninterested, hope he takes to coaching and has a desire to improve.

Yeah my take on George yesterday:

Looked good when he plays his future NBA role: standing in the corner shooting catch and shoot 3s. Made a couple.

When asked to play with the ball, he was awful. It’s not the fact that he had 4 or so turnovers, it’s that all of his turnovers are brutal. Dribbling into traffic repeatedly, throwing the ball straight to the other team. As for his defense: on ball, was fine, gave some effort. Off ball: terrible, got back door cut 4-5 times in the game. Looks totally disinterested.

If he was some raw one and done 18 year old prospect, I would feel okay with the upside swing, but he turns 21 in December. Wasn’t good enough to play in the top French league, played in the B division and was awful, leaves France to play in the NCAA and was awful for a 20 year old freshman.

I get it, they are trying to stretch the limits of his potential in summer league. Still hopeful that he can be a Cam Johnson type of 3&D wing.

The coaching for SL has been brutal for you guys. It didn't seem like they ran any plays. George has Point Forward skills but is too young to be expecting that from him now outside of running the PnR which they weren't doing yesterday. I had George very high on my board but I've noticed after watching interviews and seeing his body language and how he acts, that he seems immature. He has a somewhat too cool for school thing going on which is never a good sign. If I had know this prior I would have had him in the 20s instead but luckily for you guys that's where he went! Some of his mishaps with the ball in his hands and on defense could serve to wake him up and force him to take things more seriously. He really does need to be in better shape. I would't send him to the G-League though. He's too good for that and he's not 19 y/o either. Let him earn minutes in the NBA and practice against his peers. Wizards aren't trying to contend right? So no reason to keep him down. He will not look out of place on the 2nd unit playing 15-20 mpg

Every time he puts the ball on the floor, he's getting his lunch money taken from him by summer league guys. Can't imagine how that will look if he's playing 15 minutes a game against actual NBA players. I know we're tanking, but I'm too scarred by Eric Maynor to be able to watch that again.