Tre Johnson: welcome to the DMV

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I didn’t want to see or hear discussion about Tre Johnson being the pick at 6, especially when the thought of Ace Bailey simply falling to us started to feel more and more real.

Had no choice but to accept the pick after the smoke cleared.

I started to watch his game a bit more closely and thought, “he could easily give us what Bradley Beal did”. I don’t think it’s a bad NBA comparison as neither is overly quick or athletic, it would actually be a big plus being that Beal is the arguably best scorer we’ve had in the last 10 seasons.

I just think Tre Johnson hits certain milestones a lot earlier in his career than Beal.

Tre Johnson is easily the better ballhandler and passer than Beal, he seems to have a slight edge as far as what’s in his offensive bag, and he appears physically stronger than I remember Beal as a rookie. Defensively, Tre has the tools to be as good a perimeter defender as Beal if he commits to it with consistency, but nod Beal IMO at this juncture.

One of the biggest traits that stands out about Tre that I think we’ve needed for a long time and lacked with Beal, is vocality; Beal seemed to shy away from being an on-court voice, Tre seems to have the temperament of a leader. A little demonstrative at times, so hopefully in Tre’s quest to improve his leadership qualities it’s more on the productive side. It will be interesting to see how Tre and Bub Carrington work together, because Bub is definitely an opinionated young player.

The other thing that I don’t notice in Tre that I absolutely hated seeing in Beal is the sulking and dejected body language when he made a mistake or some other thing didn’t go his way. Tre seems to be much stronger from an emotional standpoint.

I’m fully aboard the Tre-train, excited to see how he begins trying to put it all together starting at Summer League.

I had an easier jump onto the Tre Train.

The guy doing this video seems pretty detailed in his
breakdown and came away with a very optimistic
forecast. Beal peaked at a darn high level with b2b
30 ppg seasons which iirc, was a WAS franchise best.
That said, despite what our media would have us
believe, he was not especially good at 3pt%age and
better at midrange. My take is that Tre is very good
at 3s and not as good closer to the rim. In the space
and pace era, that is preferable. I expect it'll be
easier for Tre to improve his short-med range game.

If you believe this guy, you gotta be excited about
what his future holds.

https://youtu.be/qeaQoiWcMY4?si=Vm-W3BPA3m2Y7W0f

PS sorry no matter how I tried to edit this, I couldn’t
get it to display. The link should work.

Always cool when someone breaks down the nuances in a person's game. Nice insight on what possibly contributed to Tre setting himself part from the rest of this year's pack.

Let's see if it translates on the highest level!

By the time the Wizards break 50 wins, Tre will be an All-Star.

[queridiculo]

Getting Rookie of the Year vibes from this kid.

Kudos to Danny Ainge, he really did us a solid picking Ace Bailey.

[AWIZZINGBULLET]

I had an easier jump onto the Tre Train.

The guy doing this video seems pretty detailed in his
breakdown and came away with a very optimistic
forecast. Beal peaked at a darn high level with b2b
30 ppg seasons which iirc, was a WAS franchise best.
That said, despite what our media would have us
believe, he was not especially good at 3pt%age and
better at midrange. My take is that Tre is very good
at 3s and not as good closer to the rim. In the space
and pace era, that is preferable. I expect it'll be
easier for Tre to improve his short-med range game.

If you believe this guy, you gotta be excited about
what his future holds.

https://youtu.be/qeaQoiWcMY4?si=Vm-W3BPA3m2Y7W0f

PS sorry no matter how I tried to edit this, I couldn’t
get it to display. The link should work.

Always cool when someone breaks down the nuances in a person's game. Nice insight on what possibly contributed to Tre setting himself part from the rest of this year's pack.

Let's see if it translates on the highest level!

By the time the Wizards break 50 wins, Tre will be an All-Star.

I can see it! Couldn't imagine him not greatly factoring into those 50.

[nate33]

Getting Rookie of the Year vibes from this kid.

Kudos to Danny Ainge, he really did us a solid picking Ace Bailey.

I definitely think Tre will be better as a rookie than Bailey, but I'm not seeing much ROY potential when Flagg and Harper are in position to get lots of minutes and media attention while playing for good teams who will actually win games. I suppose Harper may have trouble competing with Fox, but Flagg is going to be fine.

[dobrojim]

I hope the notion of winning 50 games doesn't seem
ridiculous in a few years. We have a looong record
of futility in that regard.

[WizarDynasty]

Good luck to the young guy. I will save my GM criticism for another thread.

[dckingsfan]

He will be just another average low efficiency volume scorers, like so many before him shooting well below .50 percent. his college field goal percentage was .42 perccent with volume. Rarely do you see a guard jump from lows .40 percentages to above . 50 percent.

Reason, he can't finish at high percentage at the rim because he doesn't have vertical explosiveness.

I know people like to say positive but numbers don't lie.

That would be the worry. The key though isn't just Tre. You add lots of youngsters and see which one hits. Tre could hit - he could be one of those below the rim guys.

But yeah, most draft picks don't end up being great NBA players - so there is that.

[dobrojim]

It's true Tre's efficiency on 2pt shots was pedestrian.
But 2 other things also are, or appear to be true:
he's completely focused on hooping which admittedly
only means that he is driven to improve, not that that
is a guarantee he will improve but also he's already a very
good FT shooter.

[dobrojim]

It will be interesting to see how the top 4 guards,
Harper, Edge, KK and Tre will be ranked in 3 years time.
Throw Fears in there too.

[prime1time]

He will be just another average low efficiency volume scorers, like so many before him shooting well below .50 percent. his college field goal percentage was .42 perccent with volume. Rarely do you see a guard jump from lows .40 percentages to above . 50 percent.

Reason, he can't finish at high percentage at the rim because he doesn't have vertical explosiveness.
I know people like to say positive but numbers don't lie.

This is an mid/late 2000s perspective. Any offensive analysis that doesn't mention a player's 3-point shooting holds limited weight in 2025. Rim finishing can improve, but the real reason for the low percentages from 2 were the dysfunctional offense not creating easy looks, Tre being forced to take tough shots since he was carrying the offense and lack of floor spacing. All three of these things will be improved in the NBA. The NBA game will be easier from him. He needs to improve his rim finishing, but even if he's doesn't you're still looking at an elite floor spacer, with a wide array of counter moves. A 2nd or 3rd option. If he was explosive like Ant or Kobe he wouldn't have droppped to 6.

[payitforward]

He will be just another average low efficiency volume scorers, like so many before him shooting well below .50 percent. his college field goal percentage was .42 perccent with volume. Rarely do you see a guard jump from lows .40 percentages to above . 50 percent.

Reason, he can't finish at high percentage at the rim because he doesn't have vertical explosiveness.
I know people like to say positive but numbers don't lie.

FG% is not a sufficient measure. Period. 43% of this kid's FGAs were 3-pointers. His efg% was 51.1%. He also shot 88% from the line & got there with good frequency.

Yet, I see very little reason, all the same, to confidently predict a high level of success for Tre. His overall numbers just weren't all that good.

Tre's TS% was 55.7%. Which is...not bad, good if you like, but nothing special. Edge and Harper were both significantly better. Knueppel was way way better.

He could still be great -- of course! & I hope he is. I wouldn't have picked him, but so what?

[WizarDynasty]

Good luck the young guy. I thought our gm should have grabbed Queen. Time will tell.

[AFM]

Because the NBA is a 3 point shooting contest. Why are you harping on 2 pt percentage so much

[WizarDynasty]

Because the NBA is a 3 point shooting contest. Why are you harping on 2 pt percentage so much

Good luck, hope he shoots his 2pt percentage above .50 percent and scores 1800 total points per season.

[pancakes3]

if tre johnson had the stats that WizD wanted, he'd be Kevin Durant

[closg00]

He will be just another average low efficiency volume scorers, like so many before him shooting well below .50 percent. his college field goal percentage was .42 perccent with volume. Rarely do you see a guard jump from lows .40 percentages to above . 50 percent.

Reason, he can't finish at high percentage at the rim because he doesn't have vertical explosiveness.
I know people like to say positive but numbers don't lie.

I don't know squat about Johnson really other than the highlights and pre-draft analysis of him, but taking a look at his Combine numbers his 37.5 in vertical was just outside the Top-5 among guards, his lane agility number was also very good, we'll have see how he looks in NBA sets.

[popper]

His 2pt percentage was way lower than .50 percent. That is a an enormous.... gigantic crater red flag for a shooting. His primary job is to score efficiently at volume.
Just because he was the best scorer at our pick doesnt mean it was a wise pick.
If you a buy a pair shoes that has a reputation of breaking when used extensively, it doesnt matter that the shoes cost 1,000 dollars.
We have a need for an efficient volume scorer and instead, we chose the best of inefficient volume scorers on the market.
We should have traded whatever was needed to get a efficient volume scorer, not be happy picking from thr best of a very pool of inefficient volume scorers.
Look all the draft where a player was picked because he was the best of class but weak statistically compared to elite nba players college careers.
Again, golook back in history. You have never seen an inefficient 2 pt percentage volume scorer suddenly score above .50 percent on his 2pt percentage on the pros.
Ots not Tre's fault. He is playing to the best of his abilities.
Wizards made to choice, he had nothomg to do with it.
The right move was making a ttade to get Ace Bailey.
A point guards jobs is make players around him increase their field goal percentage.
2pt field goal percentage is far more important than 3 pt field goal percentage in predicting team success period.
3pt percentage is just icing on the cake. If a volume scorer isnt talented enough to score volume at .50 percent then he should not be my starting shooting guard, he should come off the bench or be a fourth option for my 2 or 3 players that can score at volume over . 50 percent.
If you cant explain to my why his 2pt percentage is so far from .50 percent, i mean his two point percentage was in the low .40s, that tells me has serious fatal flaws.... period.
This board needs to realize that if a player couldnt be efficient with 2pt percentage, then it wont happen in the pros.
The 2pt percentage says there is serious flaw in his game. Anyone that watches him for while will see it. I just dont have the time but i know its there.
An offensive player that shoots a low percentage on his 2 point attempts at volume is a bad lottery pick period.

He's a 19 year old player, one year out of high school. With respect, it's ridiculous to draw such conclusions.

[dobrojim]

FWIW, I saw one vid of him in his workout routine.
He wasn't wearing a shirt and he is ripped. I'll try
to find it. And see if I can follow directions to post.

[dobrojim]

Watch on YouTube

Not sure if this is the one I saw before.
He looks thin but definitely fit. Not fat at all.

[pancakes3]

Watch on YouTube

Not sure if this is the one I saw before.
He looks thin but definitely fit. Not fat at all.

If anything, being listed at 6'6 190, the concern is that he's too skinny