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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVIII 

Post#61 » by nate33 » Mon Jan 26, 2026 1:22 am

gesa2 wrote:The numbers say you’re right Nate, and Denver has basically never paid the tax. Watson is so good for them now I can’t believe they’d let him go. I’d feel so bad for their fans if that happens - to have the greatest player in his generation and be too cheap to keep the beat team around him.

The good thing is that Denver has a real shot to win a title right now. If they win it all in 2026, I think the fans would forgive them for being cheap in the aftermath.

Heck, the move then might be to try and unload Murray and Gordon for a few picks and see if they can reload around Jokic, Watson and Braun.

Could they trade Murray for a guy like Banchero?
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVIII 

Post#62 » by penbeast0 » Mon Jan 26, 2026 4:30 am

If you could get Sabonis for Sacramento as they go scorched earth for Middleton, AJ Johnson, the 2026 OKC pick and 2 2nd round picks, would you do it, would you hold the cap space to try to steal a young free agent, or would you try to use it for more Bring Out Your Dead draft capital?
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVIII 

Post#63 » by Benjammin » Mon Jan 26, 2026 12:07 pm

That's a tough one. I wouldn't want him this season because of the tank. He's a negative value contract at this point so I wouldn't give up the OKC pick. Is he healthy? Does he want to play here? The most important question is how does he fit with Sarr? Offensively, great. Defensively not as much. Ultimately, if they strike out elsewhere I would consider it.

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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVIII 

Post#64 » by 9 and 20 » Mon Jan 26, 2026 12:40 pm

He's a solid player but on the downswing now with age and injuries. Might be our chance to get something for Midds.

Depends on who they think they can get in the offseason. If it's just going to be salary cap place holder types, then I'd rather have Sabonis. If they think they can land a bigger fish than Sabonis, then I'd say take the bigger swing in the offseason.

Trae Young and Sabonis as the vets on a team filled with promising youngsters (the guys we have already plus our draft pick this year) sounds good in theory.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVIII 

Post#65 » by payitforward » Mon Jan 26, 2026 2:55 pm

penbeast0 wrote:If you could get Sabonis for Sacramento as they go scorched earth for Middleton, AJ Johnson, the 2026 OKC pick and 2 2nd round picks, would you do it, would you hold the cap space to try to steal a young free agent, or would you try to use it for more Bring Out Your Dead draft capital?

I'm not trading draft capital for a vet. Period. Instead, I'd try to use some of the assets you mention to move up from 30.

In addition, I'd trade Middleton plus one or more of our lower R2 picks this year for the maximum possible additional draft capital this year. E.g. to get our R2 pick back from NY.
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Post#66 » by penbeast0 » Mon Jan 26, 2026 3:02 pm

Range of opinions so far. Non Wiz fans generally think this would be a steal; they thought that about Trae Young too.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVIII 

Post#67 » by lastemp3ror » Mon Jan 26, 2026 3:17 pm

tontoz wrote:
lastemp3ror wrote:I am assuming if we get Dybansta in the draft we are going to pursue Watson?


No it's the opposite. If we get AJ we will probably be looking elsewhere since AJ and Peyton are primarily 3s.

If we draft Peterson or one of the pgs then pursuing Peyton is more likely.


Yeah sorry, I meant the opposite.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVIII 

Post#68 » by doclinkin » Mon Jan 26, 2026 3:30 pm

penbeast0 wrote:Range of opinions so far. Non Wiz fans generally think this would be a steal; they thought that about Trae Young too.


Trae + Sabonis + Alex makes us good enough to win. But not good enough to contend. I’m greedy. I want a chance at a chip.

That and:

Adding Sabonis this year and playing him at all jeopardizes the tank. He adds the rebounding we need in the non JC minutes. I would not trade the chance at a top 4 pick to add Sabonis. Maybe in the offseason after we see if we are drafting Boozer or Caleb.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVIII 

Post#69 » by nate33 » Mon Jan 26, 2026 3:52 pm

doclinkin wrote:
penbeast0 wrote:Range of opinions so far. Non Wiz fans generally think this would be a steal; they thought that about Trae Young too.


Trae + Sabonis + Alex makes us good enough to win. But not good enough to contend. I’m greedy. I want a chance at a chip.

That and:

Adding Sabonis this year and playing him at all jeopardizes the tank. He adds the rebounding we need in the non JC minutes. I would not trade the chance at a top 4 pick to add Sabonis. Maybe in the offseason after we see if we are drafting Boozer or Caleb.

Exactly.

I'm not necessarily opposed to the concept of acquiring Sabonis for mostly just cap space, but I object to the timing. Sabonis would win us games in the short term, which would be a disaster. And Sabonis might be redundant on our future lineup if we end up drafting Boozer or Wilson.

The time to contemplate a Sabonis acquisition would be this summer after the draft. If we draft a ball-handling wing like Peterson or Dybantsa, then maybe the addition of someone like Sabonis could make sense. I'd still rather use our cap room to get a younger free agent like Kessler or Peyton, or a more defensive-minded big like Hartenstein, or trade a future pick for Sorber; but if all that failed, I wouldn't mind going after Sabonis. It would get us up to the salary floor and I like that his contract expires just as Sarr and Kyshawn need to be extended.

I'm not so sure a Sabonis/Trae tandem would be all that effective, however. They both need the ball. To be honest, I'd rather just have Sabonis and try and get Trae to opt out, particularly if we draft Peterson. I'd be pretty psyched about a starting lineup of Peterson, Tre, Kyshawn, Sabonis and Sarr. We could run the offense through Sabonis, but over time, diversify it more through Sarr, Kyshawn and Peterson. In two years, Sabonis moves on and our young guys have the experience to take over. By then, our young guys will all be stronger and could make up for the loss of Sabonis' toughness and rebounding.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVIII 

Post#70 » by payitforward » Mon Jan 26, 2026 4:47 pm

Love it, nate!

But... I find it hard to imagine Trae opting out.

I wouldn't. Would you? :)
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Post#71 » by nate33 » Mon Jan 26, 2026 5:44 pm

payitforward wrote:Love it, nate!

But... I find it hard to imagine Trae opting out.

I wouldn't. Would you? :)

Yeah, it's why I was always luke warm on the Trae acquisition. I was initially firmly against it, but came around after evaluating how difficult it was going to be to get to the cap floor.

But I really don't like committing to a diminutive PG like that before the draft. If we end up with Flemings, Trae is totally redundant. And if we end up with Peterson, Trae is just an overpaid one-year mentor when I would rather we just use that money to buy a young free agent for our future.

If we end up with Dybantsa, Boozer or Wilson, Trae will probably be a pretty decent fit, at least while we are in the "learning to win" stage of development. Trae should help get us to a late playoff seed, but I think he caps our ceiling as a real contender.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVIII 

Post#72 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Mon Jan 26, 2026 7:30 pm

I'd be interested in a big FA move with the cap space we get from Middleton.

Peyton Watson would be #1 target. I would pursue him aggressively. My Plan B would be Tari Eason. But I think I'd do whatever it takes to get Watson.










Got me dreaming of a Darryn Peterson / Peyton Watson off-season... :nod:
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVIII 

Post#73 » by payitforward » Mon Jan 26, 2026 10:14 pm

nate33 wrote:
payitforward wrote:Love it, nate!

But... I find it hard to imagine Trae opting out. $49m -- I wouldn't. Would you? :)

Yeah, it's why I was always luke warm on the Trae acquisition. ...
But I really don't like committing to a diminutive PG like that before the draft....

?? He'd be opting in on his last year. No "commitment" on our part....

nate33 wrote:If we end up with Flemings, Trae is totally redundant. And if we end up with Peterson, Trae is just an overpaid one-year mentor when I would rather we just use that money to buy a young free agent for our future.

If we end up with Dybantsa, Boozer or Wilson, Trae will probably be a pretty decent fit, at least while we are in the "learning to win" stage of development. Trae should help get us to a late playoff seed, but I think he caps our ceiling as a real contender.

Agree 100% -- but I think he'll be with us next year all the same. Unless, somehow, he's tradable next Summer?
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVIII 

Post#74 » by payitforward » Mon Jan 26, 2026 10:36 pm

SUPERBALLMAN wrote:I'd be interested in a big FA move with the cap space we get from Middleton.... Peyton Watson would be #1 target....

TBH, I'm not sure I understand the enthusiasm for Peyton Watson. He's shooting a career-high % on 3's to be sure. But, on the numbers overall, he looks like a slightly better rebounding version of Corey Kispert. & Corey is an even better scorer than Watson.

I don't see any reason to throw money at him.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVIII 

Post#75 » by payitforward » Mon Jan 26, 2026 11:02 pm

payitforward wrote:
SUPERBALLMAN wrote:I'd be interested in a big FA move with the cap space we get from Middleton.... Peyton Watson would be #1 target....

TBH, I'm not sure I understand the enthusiasm for Peyton Watson. He's shooting a career-high % on 3's to be sure. But, on the numbers overall, he looks like a slightly better rebounding version of Corey Kispert. & Corey is an even better scorer than Watson.

I don't see any reason to throw money at him.

A little more detail on that comparison:

per 40 minutes, Watson scores .55 more points than Kispert. Meanwhile, Kispert has a higher TS% than Watson.

For the rest, Watson is a little more productive than Corey, but no big deal. Yes, this is his best year so far, but there's just not a significant enough basis for giving him a big payday. If he comes cheap, that's a different story of course....
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Post#76 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Mon Jan 26, 2026 11:20 pm

payitforward wrote:
payitforward wrote:
SUPERBALLMAN wrote:I'd be interested in a big FA move with the cap space we get from Middleton.... Peyton Watson would be #1 target....

TBH, I'm not sure I understand the enthusiasm for Peyton Watson. He's shooting a career-high % on 3's to be sure. But, on the numbers overall, he looks like a slightly better rebounding version of Corey Kispert. & Corey is an even better scorer than Watson.

I don't see any reason to throw money at him.

A little more detail on that comparison:

per 40 minutes, Watson scores .55 more points than Kispert. Meanwhile, Kispert has a higher TS% than Watson.

For the rest, Watson is a little more productive than Corey, but no big deal. Yes, this is his best year so far, but there's just not a significant enough basis for giving him a big payday. If he comes cheap, that's a different story of course....



I don't really see the comparison. Peyton is a 6-8 athletic wing who is an ascending player who shows versatility and 2-way potential. That's never been Krispy.
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Post#77 » by dobrojim » Yesterday 3:40 am

I was asked about a Zion to DC rumor. Anyone hear
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Post#78 » by Jay81 » Yesterday 4:20 am

dobrojim wrote:I was asked about a Zion to DC rumor. Anyone hear
anything? Opinions on getting him?

If we get Zion it means we playing for a title next year

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Post#79 » by nate33 » Yesterday 4:21 am

payitforward wrote:
payitforward wrote:
SUPERBALLMAN wrote:I'd be interested in a big FA move with the cap space we get from Middleton.... Peyton Watson would be #1 target....

TBH, I'm not sure I understand the enthusiasm for Peyton Watson. He's shooting a career-high % on 3's to be sure. But, on the numbers overall, he looks like a slightly better rebounding version of Corey Kispert. & Corey is an even better scorer than Watson.

I don't see any reason to throw money at him.

A little more detail on that comparison:

per 40 minutes, Watson scores .55 more points than Kispert. Meanwhile, Kispert has a higher TS% than Watson.

For the rest, Watson is a little more productive than Corey, but no big deal. Yes, this is his best year so far, but there's just not a significant enough basis for giving him a big payday. If he comes cheap, that's a different story of course....

Kispert is a turnstile on defense. Watson is one of the 10 best perimeter defenders in the game.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVIII 

Post#80 » by joshuacf » Yesterday 4:59 am

payitforward wrote:TBH, I'm not sure I understand the enthusiasm for Peyton Watson. He's shooting a career-high % on 3's to be sure. But, on the numbers overall, he looks like a slightly better rebounding version of Corey Kispert. & Corey is an even better scorer than Watson.

I don't see any reason to throw money at him.

Not to mention he'd relegate Tre Johnson to the bench.

I really hope the FO doesn't spaz out and overpay a non All-Star this offseason for the sake of accelerating us becoming "competitive". Hold the line and develop the young players. The time to spend is in 27-28 when Sarr and KG are on the last year of their rookie contract.

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