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Post#61 » by Optms » Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:23 pm

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Might be that Curry has to step in at PG for Gil some day. I want Curry (but Blai'r's my favorite in this draft) because I think Gil's health is dubious at best.

As for Suanders, I'd love to see the Wizards keep all their young players to see how they fare under Flip. Unfortuneatly, the cap problems are the priority now. Signing Gil at the price they did and adding Jamison's contract has predicated getting rid of promising talent who Filp might mold.


I never once played with the thought that Arenas could not come back as that same impact player. That would be the only reason and possible way I could ever see a point guard in this draft such as Curry coming in and taking the starting nod away within the year or two. In case he gets injured, yet again, Curry is the guy I want running the point. That's a big assumption however. I'll assume and hope to God it doesn't come to that. Big mistake signing Jamison. They pretty much have to move him as his contract is eating up into the salary I think. He's a great leader to have out there on the floor, great contributor as well, but if the right deal comes along, which the Wizards should seek strongly, I say Wizards use him as a trading piece. I'm all for bringing a champion to DC, but Jamison starting at the 4, I'm sorry- his inability to defend is reason alone why they need to address that problem and hear all options regarding him. Can't wait for Draft night though. I'm curious as to see what transacts with this team.
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Post#62 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:27 pm

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Might be that Curry has to step in at PG for Gil some day. I want Curry (but Blai'r's my favorite in this draft) because I think Gil's health is dubious at best.

As for Suanders, I'd love to see the Wizards keep all their young players to see how they fare under Flip. Unfortuneatly, the cap problems are the priority now. Signing Gil at the price they did and adding Jamison's contract has predicated getting rid of promising talent who Filp might mold.


I never once played with the thought that Arenas could not come back as that same impact player. That would be the only reason and possible way I could ever see a point guard in this draft such as Curry coming in and taking the starting nod away within the year or two. In case he gets injured, yet again, Curry is the guy I want running the point. That's a big assumption however. I'll assume and hope to God it doesn't come to that. Big mistake signing Jamison. They pretty much have to move him as his contract is eating up into the salary I think. He's a great leader to have out there on the floor, great contributor as well, but if the right deal comes along, which the Wizards should seek strongly, I say Wizards use him as a trading piece. I'm all for bringing a champion to DC, but Jamison starting at the 4, I'm sorry- his inability to defend is reason alone why they need to address that problem and hear all options regarding him. Can't wait for Draft night though. I'm curious as to see what transacts with this team.


Jamison played hard and played pretty well all the way to the bitter end of the season, when he got hurt. He earned his money.

As for Gil, I would think less minutes might help preserve him. I don't see how three knee surgeries mean full recovery is likely.
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Post#63 » by Wizardspride » Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:34 pm

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Might be that Curry has to step in at PG for Gil some day. I want Curry (but Blai'r's my favorite in this draft) because I think Gil's health is dubious at best.

As for Suanders, I'd love to see the Wizards keep all their young players to see how they fare under Flip. Unfortuneatly, the cap problems are the priority now. Signing Gil at the price they did and adding Jamison's contract has predicated getting rid of promising talent who Filp might mold.


I never once played with the thought that Arenas could not come back as that same impact player. That would be the only reason and possible way I could ever see a point guard in this draft such as Curry coming in and taking the starting nod away within the year or two. In case he gets injured, yet again, Curry is the guy I want running the point. That's a big assumption however. I'll assume and hope to God it doesn't come to that. Big mistake signing Jamison. They pretty much have to move him as his contract is eating up into the salary I think. He's a great leader to have out there on the floor, great contributor as well, but if the right deal comes along, which the Wizards should seek strongly, I say Wizards use him as a trading piece. I'm all for bringing a champion to DC, but Jamison starting at the 4, I'm sorry- his inability to defend is reason alone why they need to address that problem and hear all options regarding him. Can't wait for Draft night though. I'm curious as to see what transacts with this team.


Jamison played hard and played pretty well all the way to the bitter end of the season, when he got hurt. He earned his money.

As for Gil, I would think less minutes might help preserve him. I don't see how three knee surgeries mean full recovery is likely.

I'm hopeful that Gil will recover. It's not like he had three "major" knee surgeries.

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Post#64 » by Brenice » Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:41 pm

I think GIl will be healthy. He did not have multiple MAJOR knee surgeries. He never tore any ligaments either. Will he return to Agent0, yes, but not to the point where he carries the team all game long and goes for 60. With the makeup of this squad, he will not have to average 28 a game. 20-22 and 9 dimes seems more like it.

I think Blair will be a foul machine. He is too short to play offensively on the block in the NBA. He has average athletic ability(he ain't Barkley), and has no face the basket game and limited range.

I would not trade Blatche because he may be inconsistent, but I too think he will grow in consistency as he matures. It aint like he starts or needs to start. He comes off the bench and has a reasonable contract. His contract is low risk with potentially a high reward. You saw 2 teams in the finals with a lot of length playing 3/4. He will be a great finishing dimes from Gil around the rim.
That does not make him untradeable, but I would not just use him as a throw-in or filler. You'd better get a sure thing if you trade him. Blatche + #5 and a contract has value . Not for Rudy Fernandez. Same for Nick Young. Right now, Blatche and Nick can make above average subs, potentially starters at positions of need. Blatche has Jamison in front of him. Once Antawn declines, Blatche could be more mature and consistent. With #5, draft a 2-guard who could be comptetition for Nick, with 1 being a 6th man(down the road). Outside of Griffin, there is not a pf worthy of #5, so don't reach.
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Post#65 » by LyricalRico » Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:43 pm

Brenice wrote:I think GIl will be healthy. He did not have multiple MAJOR knee surgeries. He never tore any ligaments either. Will he return to Agent0, yes, but not to the point where he carries the team all game long and goes for 60. With the makeup of this squad, he will not have to average 28 a game. 20-22 and 9 dimes seems more like it.


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Post#66 » by nate33 » Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:47 pm

Dat2U, you left off Gerald Henderson in your ranking. I'd put him between 2 and 3 on your SG/SF list.
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Post#67 » by Soup's Uncle » Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:56 pm

People have had way worse knee injuries than Gilbert, and have came back fine. At the same time, that's what worries me about Gil.

Curry teamed with Gil in the backcourt would be pretty high octane though.
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Post#68 » by closg00 » Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:04 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
Dat2U wrote:Dat2U's updated rankings as of 6/15/09:

Two reasons why this draft is considered weak. No size whatsoever. Only one C worth mentioning (Thabeet) and another athlete masquerading as a C (Mullens). Secondly very few options at SF. Sam Young & DaJuan Summers are the best and their mid-to-late 1st round picks.

On the other hand, its a very strong draft for PGs and combo guards (it's also pretty weak at SG IMO). If a team needs a ball-handler or shot creator, this is the draft to get one.

Overrated: Thabeet, Harden, Hill, Williams, Budinger & Jennings.

Underrated: Blair, Heytvelt, Curry, Lawson, Teague, Collison & Mills.

Colassal Busts: Mullens & Daye

Players who've grown on me and risen in my eyes: Hansbrough, Gibson, Summers, Flynn, Teague & Beaubois.

Players who's stock has recently fallen in my eyes: Budinger, Green, Daye & Calathes.

What I want the Wizards to do in the draft: Unless they can trade for Bosh, Amare or Dirk (lol), I want them to draft Stephen Curry with the 5th pick, then draft Rodrigue Beaubois in the 2nd rd to stash overseas for a few seasons.

What scares me to death about what the Wizards might do:
1. Either trade for a 30+ yr old SG (Rip or VC) or mediocre player (Hinrich, MMiller or AHarrington)
2. Draft Jordan Hill or see Hasheem Thabeet fall into their laps.


Grin & bear it scenario (I won't be thrilled but I'll accept it if the Wizards choose to go in this directon): Wizards draft James Harden at #5 (I just don't see EG drafting him however).


Excellent list (omitted) Dat.

Pretty amazing that we agree on so much, particulary, the worst-case fears. Wiz might trade a future great for mediocre vet or, they might select a guy who drops on draft day (who the Wizards should also pass on). Hill will probably bust and Thabeet's selection will assuredly piss off Haywood. Minutes will not be enough and the message of drafting yet another project big is that EG is a doofus. (The only scenarios for drafting Hill or Thabeet is to package and trade them for Amare or Bosh.)

This IS a great PG draft and Curry is at or near the top of the list. Why not just draft and keep Curry?

I'm warming to Summers (pun intended) with the round2 pick. Heck the Wizard could draft both DeJuan's for all I care.


+1. I've been following Summers progress during the workouts and it's not such a secret that his stock has gone up to the point where he will probably be picked in the first round. Apparently, Summers is a completely different player outside of the Princeton system. Shooting a high% trey also helps him.
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Post#69 » by Optms » Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:39 pm

Brenice wrote:I would not trade Blatche because he may be inconsistent, but I too think he will grow in consistency as he matures. It aint like he starts or needs to start. He comes off the bench and has a reasonable contract. His contract is low risk with potentially a high reward. You saw 2 teams in the finals with a lot of length playing 3/4. He will be a great finishing dimes from Gil around the rim.
That does not make him untradeable, but I would not just use him as a throw-in or filler. You'd better get a sure thing if you trade him. Blatche + #5 and a contract has value . Not for Rudy Fernandez. Same for Nick Young. Right now, Blatche and Nick can make above average subs, potentially starters at positions of need. Blatche has Jamison in front of him. Once Antawn declines, Blatche could be more mature and consistent. With #5, draft a 2-guard who could be comptetition for Nick, with 1 being a 6th man(down the road). Outside of Griffin, there is not a pf worthy of #5, so don't reach.


That's a leap of an assumption you're making by saying Blatche will pan out and replace Jamsion. I can see his defense panning out really well under this new defensive coach, though. And of course, defense leads to offense and he's got the tools. He just needs to be motivated.

I agree with them needing to bring in a 2 to come in and compete with not only young but that starting 2 position which is pretty mediocre for the Wizards right now. Young is a bigger question mark to me than Blatche is, although he is talented at scoring but nothing with his desire and performance tells me he has it in him to be OK on defense. He fails to even play consistently on the offensive end off the bench. And I question whether he'll be anything more than just a scoring punch off the bench with that. Wizards need to come out of this draft with a big guard. I love Harden, Tryeke, and DeRozan equally. Assuming Washington keeps the pick, I would be pretty happy at the hearing of them drafting one of these guys. This team is already substantially better defensively with Saunders as is, and well. Just better overall. Adding one of these guys who can come in and have great shot at competing for that starting 2 position within a year or two is great news. Steveson aint cuttin it anymore. And Young at the 2? Hopefully Saunders does wonders with this kid.
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Post#70 » by Wizardspride » Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:40 pm

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Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
Dat2U wrote:Dat2U's updated rankings as of 6/15/09:

Two reasons why this draft is considered weak. No size whatsoever. Only one C worth mentioning (Thabeet) and another athlete masquerading as a C (Mullens). Secondly very few options at SF. Sam Young & DaJuan Summers are the best and their mid-to-late 1st round picks.

On the other hand, its a very strong draft for PGs and combo guards (it's also pretty weak at SG IMO). If a team needs a ball-handler or shot creator, this is the draft to get one.

Overrated: Thabeet, Harden, Hill, Williams, Budinger & Jennings.

Underrated: Blair, Heytvelt, Curry, Lawson, Teague, Collison & Mills.

Colassal Busts: Mullens & Daye

Players who've grown on me and risen in my eyes: Hansbrough, Gibson, Summers, Flynn, Teague & Beaubois.

Players who's stock has recently fallen in my eyes: Budinger, Green, Daye & Calathes.

What I want the Wizards to do in the draft: Unless they can trade for Bosh, Amare or Dirk (lol), I want them to draft Stephen Curry with the 5th pick, then draft Rodrigue Beaubois in the 2nd rd to stash overseas for a few seasons.

What scares me to death about what the Wizards might do:
1. Either trade for a 30+ yr old SG (Rip or VC) or mediocre player (Hinrich, MMiller or AHarrington)
2. Draft Jordan Hill or see Hasheem Thabeet fall into their laps.


Grin & bear it scenario (I won't be thrilled but I'll accept it if the Wizards choose to go in this directon): Wizards draft James Harden at #5 (I just don't see EG drafting him however).


Excellent list (omitted) Dat.

Pretty amazing that we agree on so much, particulary, the worst-case fears. Wiz might trade a future great for mediocre vet or, they might select a guy who drops on draft day (who the Wizards should also pass on). Hill will probably bust and Thabeet's selection will assuredly piss off Haywood. Minutes will not be enough and the message of drafting yet another project big is that EG is a doofus. (The only scenarios for drafting Hill or Thabeet is to package and trade them for Amare or Bosh.)

This IS a great PG draft and Curry is at or near the top of the list. Why not just draft and keep Curry?

I'm warming to Summers (pun intended) with the round2 pick. Heck the Wizard could draft both DeJuan's for all I care.


+1. I've been following Summers progress during the workouts and it's not such a secret that his stock has gone up to the point where he will probably be picked in the first round. Apparently, Summers is a completely different player outside of the Princeton system. Shooting a high% trey also helps him.

I'm glad to hear that Summers is doing well in his workouts.

I have been arguing for the longest that Summers' talent was being stifled by the Princeton offense.

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Post#71 » by Brenice » Mon Jun 15, 2009 2:20 pm

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That's a leap of an assumption you're making by saying Blatche will pan out and replace Jamsion.[/quote]

I not once said that Blatche would or will turn to replace Jamison. I said he could, and considering his salary and level of talent, he is worth the risk. As a backup right now, I don't mind him on the team.
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Post#72 » by Dat2U » Mon Jun 15, 2009 5:43 pm

Nate, thanks for the note about Henderson. I've updated my list below.

Dat2U wrote:Dat2U's updated rankings as of 6/15/09:
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This time I've broken down the rankings into Bigs, Mediums & Smalls (heh, that's my tribute to EJ!). Overall rankings are in ( ).

Power Forwards / Centers

1. PF Blake Griffin (1)
2. PF DeJuan Blair (7)
3. PF Earl Clark (9)
4. PF James Johnson (13)
5. PF Tyler Hansbrough (15)
6. PF Jordan Hill (16)
7. C Hasheem Thabeet (18)
8. PF Josh Heytvelt (24)
9. PF Taj Gibson (34)
10. PF Alade Aminu
11. C B.J. Mullens
12. PF DeMarre Carroll
13. PF Derrick Brown
14. PF Jeff Pendergraph


Shooting Guards / Small Forwards

1. SG Demar DeRozan (6)
2. SG James Harden (11)
3. SF Sam Young (20)
4. SG Gerald Henderson (21)
5. SF DaJuan Summers (23)
6. SF Terrence Williams (26)
7. SF Omri Casspi (27)
8. SG Wayne Ellington (28)
9. SG Marcus Thornton (29)
10. SF Chase Budinger (30)
11. SG Jermaine Taylor (35)
12. SG Jodie Meeks (36)
13. SF Danny Green (37)
14. SF Austin Daye
15. SF Jonas Jerebko
16. SG Dionte Christmas


Point Guards / Combo Guards

1. PG Ricky Rubio (2)
2. PG Stephen Curry (3)
3. SG Tyreke Evans (4)
4. PG Jonny Flynn (5)
5. PG Ty Lawson (8)
6. SG Jeff Teague (10)
7. PG Jrue Holiday (12)
8. PG Eric Maynor (14)
9. PG Darren Collison (17)
10. PG Patrick Mills (19)
11. PG Brandon Jennings (22)
12. SG Rodrigue Beaubois (25)
13. PG Nick Calathes (31)
14. SG Jack McClinton (32)
15. PG Toney Douglas (33)
16. PG Lester Hudson
17. PG Patrick Beverley
18. SG Jerel McNeal
19. SG Nando De Colo
20. PG Greivis Vasquez
21. PG Sergio Llull
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Post#73 » by nate33 » Mon Jun 15, 2009 6:09 pm

Dat2U wrote:Shooting Guards / Small Forwards

1. SG Demar DeRozan (6)
2. SG James Harden (11)
3. SF Sam Young (20)
4. SG Gerald Henderson (21)
5. SF DaJuan Summers (23)
6. SF Terrence Williams (26)
7. SF Omri Casspi (27)
8. SG Wayne Ellington (28)
9. SG Marcus Thornton (29)
10. SF Chase Budinger (30)
11. SG Jermaine Taylor (35)
12. SG Jodie Meeks (36)
13. SF Danny Green (37)
14. SF Austin Daye
15. SF Jonas Jerebko
16. SG Dionte Christmas


You have Young ahead of Henderson? I was kind of high on Young too after the measurements, but then I saw the workouts. He really tested poorly on the athleticism rankings. Henderson has 4 inches on him in the no step vertical, plus much better scores in lane agility and full court sprint. Young is taller, but Henderson beats him in the no-step vertical reach comparison. Basically, Henderson has him beat athletically, and I think he outperformed him at the college level. And I haven't even brought up the fact that Henderson is 2-1/2 years younger.

I guess you can argue that Young has the size and girth to fare better as a role-playing SF where he won't need quite as much athleticism; but I'd still take Henderson based on his upside.
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Post#74 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Mon Jun 15, 2009 7:26 pm

Brenice wrote:I think GIl will be healthy. He did not have multiple MAJOR knee surgeries. He never tore any ligaments either. Will he return to Agent0, yes, but not to the point where he carries the team all game long and goes for 60. With the makeup of this squad, he will not have to average 28 a game. 20-22 and 9 dimes seems more like it.

I think Blair will be a foul machine. He is too short to play offensively on the block in the NBA. He has average athletic ability(he ain't Barkley), and has no face the basket game and limited range.

I would not trade Blatche because he may be inconsistent, but I too think he will grow in consistency as he matures. It aint like he starts or needs to start. He comes off the bench and has a reasonable contract. His contract is low risk with potentially a high reward. You saw 2 teams in the finals with a lot of length playing 3/4. He will be a great finishing dimes from Gil around the rim.
That does not make him untradeable, but I would not just use him as a throw-in or filler. You'd better get a sure thing if you trade him. Blatche + #5 and a contract has value . Not for Rudy Fernandez. Same for Nick Young. Right now, Blatche and Nick can make above average subs, potentially starters at positions of need. Blatche has Jamison in front of him. Once Antawn declines, Blatche could be more mature and consistent. With #5, draft a 2-guard who could be comptetition for Nick, with 1 being a 6th man(down the road). Outside of Griffin, there is not a pf worthy of #5, so don't reach.


Blair played C at 315 last season in NCAA ball. Every opponent was 4+ inches taller, weighed 70 or so pounds less, and the game was called tighter. In the NBA at PF at 285 give or take 15, Blair will be a sub off the bench. He won't have to carry a team at either end.

Blair will have the benefit of three good weakside shotblockers if the Wizards draft him. He'd be an impact player off the bench IMO.

Where we agree, Brenice, is on Blatche. He's gotten better each year and I think he'll get there this season or next. There being consistent.
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Post#75 » by Dat2U » Mon Jun 15, 2009 7:38 pm

nate33 wrote:You have Young ahead of Henderson? I was kind of high on Young too after the measurements, but then I saw the workouts. He really tested poorly on the athleticism rankings. Henderson has 4 inches on him in the no step vertical, plus much better scores in lane agility and full court sprint. Young is taller, but Henderson beats him in the no-step vertical reach comparison. Basically, Henderson has him beat athletically, and I think he outperformed him at the college level. And I haven't even brought up the fact that Henderson is 2-1/2 years younger.

I guess you can argue that Young has the size and girth to fare better as a role-playing SF where he won't need quite as much athleticism; but I'd still take Henderson based on his upside.


I disagree that Henderson outperformed Young at the college level. Henderson really had a good 2 1/2 months or so but over the course of their careers I think Young was better. I really like what Young brings to the table as a very good mid-range shooter & finisher around the basket. I love his toughness and his frame. And IMO he looked like a good enough athlete to play on the NBA level.

I don't know if its fair, but Henderson just seemed a bit soft to me. He had the tendency to disappear for stretches. There's no doubting Henderson's athletic gifts, I just think Young will have an easier adjustment with the physicality of the NBA. Henderson may turn out better in the long run but lets face it, both are role players on the next level. When taking that into consideration I'd give the slight advantage to the role player that can come in right away and produce quickly as opposed to the one that might take a few years to show his wares.
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Post#76 » by AgentOvechkin08 » Mon Jun 15, 2009 7:44 pm

Does everyone think that the Caron Butler comparisons to Summers are valid?

I sure do, the guy has pretty good athleticism for his size, is automatic from mid range and has good strength.

He is 6'8 and 245lbs and only 6% body fat (pre draft measurements), so he is pretty solidly well built.

If he fell we have to take him in the 2nd.
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Post#77 » by Da HomeTeam » Mon Jun 15, 2009 8:06 pm

If Atlanta is seriously making JSmith available we really need to look into making that happen. Not sure how it would work out financially though. But we could plug him RIGHT into the starting line up.
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Post#78 » by Kanyewest » Mon Jun 15, 2009 8:07 pm

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6, Harden? 15 mins max? We played Dom McGuire at 2 this year, and he can't shoot.
Actually I'm pretty sure Harden might quickly take Nick's numbers. Flip likes smart veterans and has a notoriously complex playbook. The Pistons were fundamentally sound smart ballers and some of them even griped at how many sets there were. Nick Young by contrast had difficulty learning the Princeton sets after 2 years drilling. That's a key reason why I think Harden will be a quick fit. The kid's game relies on cunning and understanding of the game more than blow-by athletix. Flip will use him since he'll see how to run it and how to exploit defense.

7. Curry. As far as getting to the line is concerned Curry and Harden were among the top guards in the draft in Free throw attempts per game. If you iso 'per possession' to account for Curry's insane usage Curry managed the same rate as Tyreke, taking one FT for every three touches. Ditto DeRozan. (Harden is still way up there at the top though).

You're right that the Memphis system doesn't lead to a ton of assists. It's predicated on putting the ball in the hands of top notch one-on-one athletes then clearing space in the lane for them to go get it. Not sure how often he'll get to run in that kind of system. NBA defenders don't suffer from quite the same mismatch. Still if you iso per possession Tyreke is among the worst guards in TO's per possession (loses the ball once every five touches). That's just not great for a guy who has to have the ball to do anything. And as far as creating off the bounce, okay if you're talking about attacking the rim, but the kid apparently rates pretty low shooting off the dribble. I don't recall being impressed by him hitting any pull up jumper, and DX's video/stat database apparently says he was basically miserable trying to shoot off the bounce. I don't claim expertise here, my memory is spotty.


I guess at least 15 minutes and probably 20 minutes max assuming everyone is healthy which is a huge if knowing this franchise and could see more minutes if he progresses. But I have to say 15 mpg for what I've seen from Harden (a UCLA game, the PAC 10 tournament final, and the 2 NCAA games).

I think the glut of big men (Haywood, McGee, DSong, Blatche) will probably lead to Jamison playing minutes at the small forward position and thus forcing Butler to see a few minutes at shooting guard. I think guys like McGuire and Stevenson could see as much as 20 mpg each mostly because of their defensive capabilities.

Did the Wizards really continue to run the Princeton from 08-09 after EJ was fired? Either way, Young did a bit better shooting inside the three point line and you have to think that playing alongside Arenas will spread the floor for him. I believe that the 3rd year is a make or break for Nick Young; I believe he can still make a positive impact for this team if he's still around. For a player that doesn't know the offense, I'll take the 45% shooting; I just wouldn't have him run the offense. Young even managed to have more assist than turnovers so he must have been doing something right.

7. I'm assuming that Davidson tried to get Curry the ball at the end of games where late game fouling is quite common. Someone like JJ Reddick got to the line 7.1 times per game in college. How many of those free throws did Curry get from attacking the basket or just being fouled off the ball when a team is over the limit. One and one foul shots may inflate Curry's attempts. I haven't seen much of Curry this year so I'm just wondering how he got to the free throw line.

It seems like the Wizards offense often relies on mismatches; like handing it to Gilbert or Caron and letting them create a shot; or Antawn Jamison finessing bigger players and posting up smaller ones. I guess I see Evans more as a shooting guard with playmaking abilities. I don't think his turnover rate will be as high with Gilbert primarily running the point. I think his jumper is still a work in progress but slightly better than Derrick Rose's jumper and I think will improve. I guess bigger questions have to be is if he's a ball stopper (ie dribbling around for 6-10 dribbles) but it doesn't appear that way to me.
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Re: The What Should We Do With the 5th Pick II: IBJ Edition 

Post#79 » by Ruzious » Mon Jun 15, 2009 8:09 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
Brenice wrote:I think GIl will be healthy. He did not have multiple MAJOR knee surgeries. He never tore any ligaments either. Will he return to Agent0, yes, but not to the point where he carries the team all game long and goes for 60. With the makeup of this squad, he will not have to average 28 a game. 20-22 and 9 dimes seems more like it.

I think Blair will be a foul machine. He is too short to play offensively on the block in the NBA. He has average athletic ability(he ain't Barkley), and has no face the basket game and limited range.

I would not trade Blatche because he may be inconsistent, but I too think he will grow in consistency as he matures. It aint like he starts or needs to start. He comes off the bench and has a reasonable contract. His contract is low risk with potentially a high reward. You saw 2 teams in the finals with a lot of length playing 3/4. He will be a great finishing dimes from Gil around the rim.
That does not make him untradeable, but I would not just use him as a throw-in or filler. You'd better get a sure thing if you trade him. Blatche + #5 and a contract has value . Not for Rudy Fernandez. Same for Nick Young. Right now, Blatche and Nick can make above average subs, potentially starters at positions of need. Blatche has Jamison in front of him. Once Antawn declines, Blatche could be more mature and consistent. With #5, draft a 2-guard who could be comptetition for Nick, with 1 being a 6th man(down the road). Outside of Griffin, there is not a pf worthy of #5, so don't reach.


Blair played C at 315 last season in NCAA ball. Every opponent was 4+ inches taller, weighed 70 or so pounds less, and the game was called tighter. In the NBA at PF at 285 give or take 15, Blair will be a sub off the bench. He won't have to carry a team at either end.

Blair will have the benefit of three good weakside shotblockers if the Wizards draft him. He'd be an impact player off the bench IMO.

Where we agree, Brenice, is on Blatche. He's gotten better each year and I think he'll get there this season or next. There being consistent.

CCJ, you know I like Blair, but if he comes to the NBA at 285 plus... he might not pass a physical - let along be a sub. I'm keeping my fingers crossed on Blatche. I agree that he did improve - just not as fast as he would if he had average maturity. Unless they get someone better, he's real important to the future and present of the chise, and should be kept.
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Re: The What Should We Do With the 5th Pick II: IBJ Edition 

Post#80 » by mhd » Mon Jun 15, 2009 8:22 pm

Per Chad Ford, Josh Smith is on the block. Regarding the Wiz, Rubio's camp doesn't want him to go here. Jordan Hill also is in play for the 5th pick.

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