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Re: Chicken Littles: Sky done fell! Draft Thread 2011 

Post#601 » by nate33 » Fri Feb 18, 2011 3:04 pm

mhd wrote:Derrick Williams with 26 points, 8 rebounds, 7-10 from the field, 12-12 from the FT line.


He is so freaking efficient out there. Love that he lives on the line.

Man, I'm so torn on the Sullinger/Williams/Kanter decision.

Looking at that one international game, Kanter looks like the best two-way player, but it's a small sample size and he has knee trouble.

Sullinger is a beast in college but I wonder how well he'll fare against taller, stronger opponents. He has shown glimpses of being a lot more skilled on the perimeter, but we don't get to see it much because of his role.

Williams is extremely skilled, but small for a PF and may not be athletic enough for SF. But you can't ignore his incredible production at the college level. And our team desperately needs some scoring punch in the front court.
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Re: Chicken Littles: Sky done fell! Draft Thread 2011 

Post#602 » by Rafael122 » Fri Feb 18, 2011 3:14 pm

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mhd wrote:Derrick Williams with 26 points, 8 rebounds, 7-10 from the field, 12-12 from the FT line.


He is so freaking efficient out there. Love that he lives on the line.

Man, I'm so torn on the Sullinger/Williams/Kanter decision.

Looking at that one international game, Kanter looks like the best two-way player, but it's a small sample size and he has knee trouble.

Sullinger is a beast in college but I wonder how well he'll fare against taller, stronger opponents. He has shown glimpses of being a lot more skilled on the perimeter, but we don't get to see it much because of his role.

Williams is extremely skilled, but small for a PF and may not be athletic enough for SF. But you can't ignore his incredible production at the college level. And our team desperately needs some scoring punch in the front court.


We're gonna need a long term solution at small forward.

DX's latest write up on Williams. One thing that jumped out, high basketball IQ. Again, we need smart players on this team. You take a guy like Williams early, and then maybe a guy like Nolan Smith or Kyle Singler in the 2nd round (or if we get another pick, late 1st). http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Der ... iams-5811/

BTW, after reading this wite up on Perry Jones, I'm souring. He basicalyl sounds like McGee and/or Blatche. Poor defender, avoids contact, etc.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/NBA ... ones-3630/
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Re: Chicken Littles: Sky done fell! Draft Thread 2011 

Post#603 » by nate33 » Fri Feb 18, 2011 3:22 pm

Rafael122 wrote:We're gonna need a long term solution at small forward.

DX's latest write up on Williams. One thing that jumped out, high basketball IQ. Again, we need smart players on this team. You take a guy like Williams early, and then maybe a guy like Nolan Smith or Kyle Singler in the 2nd round (or if we get another pick, late 1st). http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Der ... iams-5811/

BTW, after reading this wite up on Perry Jones, I'm souring. He basicalyl sounds like McGee and/or Blatche. Poor defender, avoids contact, etc.

Yes, but we don't need to acqure that small forward now. We have a small forward in Rashard Lewis, and you can generally find decent free agent role-playing SF's in free agency. There's also next year's draft, where we can probably find a SF with the number 10-15 pick in the draft. Getting a starting-quality PF is the number 1 priority right now. And since this draft is chock full of them, I think it's a near certaintly that we'll go after one.

Accordingly, if EG doesn't think Williams can play PF at the NBA level, then I'd rather not draft him. I'd rather take Kanter, Sullinger, or Valanciunas. (Obviously, EG should take the proverbial "best player available", but I'm assuming for the sake of argument that he has all these candidates ranked roughly the same.)

I agree with you about Perry Jones. I caught some of the Baylor game last weekend and came away disappointed. He has a Blatche-like tendency to stare at the ball when someone shoots rather than to run to the basket and try to get position for a rebound. The kid has no motor. I wouldn't draft him under any circumstances.
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Re: Chicken Littles: Sky done fell! Draft Thread 2011 

Post#604 » by Ruzious » Fri Feb 18, 2011 4:52 pm

closg00 wrote:Updated draft.net mock with a paragraph/scouting on each prospect in their Top-30.
http://hoopshype.com/draft.htm

Gotta question Kawhi Leonard at 8. What makes him a better prospect than Kenneth Faried? They seem to be roughly the same physically and with the same types of strengths and weaknesses. If anything, Faried comes out ahead in almost everything. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if Faried ends up top 10.

And at some point, Perry Jones will fall out of the top 5. As others have said, I don't want him on the Zards.
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Re: Chicken Littles: Sky done fell! Draft Thread 2011 

Post#605 » by pcbothwel » Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:00 pm

I think the top 7 guys of Irving, Sullinger, Kanter, P. Jones, T. Jones, D. Williams, J. Valanciunas, Harrison Barnes is slowly becoming clearer to all of us. Irving is not a need, Perry Jones is too soft(and we cant handle anymore of that), T. Jones is strictly a SF but does not have the athleticism and shooting ability to stick, and Harrison Barnes will not be worth top 5 or 6 pick...or he'll go back for soph. year.

That leaves us with Sullinger, Kanter, Williams, and Jonas. I absolutely love williams as he there is literally ZERO chance he will bust and he will score at the next level, but his defense is questionable as is his position. I would love to get either of those 3, trade Hinrich for exp. plus late 1st. I would use the late 1st and our early 2nd to pick up 2 of: Nolan Smith, Noris Cole, David Lighty, Charles Jenkins, Kenneth Faried, Klay Thompson
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Re: Chicken Littles: Sky done fell! Draft Thread 2011 

Post#606 » by Dat2U » Fri Feb 18, 2011 5:35 pm

Perry Jones is a hybrid. He's got legit size at 6-10/6-11 220 with SF athleticism and the developing skillset to be a match up nightmare as a face up PF. I don't how one can rule him out based on watching part of one game. And I'm not sure why we are looking for a finished product from a college freshman. Perry Jones has physical tools that no one in this draft has. Will Sullinger & D. Williams be better rookies than Jones next year? Sure, but who has the better tools to excel on BOTH ends of the court in the long run?

There's alot to like about Sullinger and certainly he's worthy of consideration but defense is going to be a major issue with him. The height, the questionable athleticism. Color me very skeptical at this point but I don't see how in the world he defends NBA PFs. I have the same questions about Derrick Williams. How is he going defend NBA PFs if that's going to be his position? Perry Jones may not be a standout defender as of yet but the physical tools to be an elite defender are all there. Either at the 3 or 4.

Kanter scares me. The guy has missed an entire season and if he's already got a bulky knee at 19 then lord knows what's going to happen during the grind of an 82 games season, especially with the Wizards medical staff. Also what's his position? Is he a 4 or 5? Does he have the height to be a center and is he athletic enough to defend 4s?

I have lots of unanswered questions about the three guys everyone seems to like on here.
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Post#607 » by Ruzious » Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:24 pm

Dat, I don't know how someone who's watched Perry Jones for several games can think he has the motor to excell in the NBA. You can have all the talent in the world. If your energy level and intensity is less than the average player, you'll never be any good. Unless that DRAMATICALLY changes for him, he's not going to be more than a mediocre player in the NBA. I guarantee it.
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Re: Chicken Littles: Sky done fell! Draft Thread 2011 

Post#608 » by nate33 » Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:04 pm

Ruzious wrote:Dat, I don't know how someone who's watched Perry Jones for several games can think he has the motor to excell in the NBA. You can have all the talent in the world. If your energy level and intensity is less than the average player, you'll never be any good. Unless that DRAMATICALLY changes for him, he's not going to be more than a mediocre player in the NBA. I guarantee it.

Exactly. Nobody is doubting his athleticism or skills. We're doubting his mental makeup. He screams Andray Blatche to me.
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Re: Chicken Littles: Sky done fell! Draft Thread 2011 

Post#609 » by Ruzious » Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:24 pm

I love how the scouting reports say Perry Jones has great perimeter skills. What exactly are these perimeter skills? He's made 1 of 8 3's in his 25 game college career. How does that project to NBA 3 point range? He's got 31 assists to 50 turnovers. He doesn't come up with steals or blocks on the college level. The only positive in his stats is that he shoots a good percentage of his 2's. So, he could be a good mid-range scorer - that's about it. I don't see projecting him to a top 4, because he hasn't shown he can rebound. If he hasn't done it in college, he's not going to do it in the NBA.
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Re: Chicken Littles: Sky done fell! Draft Thread 2011 

Post#610 » by DMVleGeND » Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:41 pm

IMO, Perry Jones is a face-up 4, not a 3. He can play SF for stretches in the NBA, but I think he's clearly a PF. Here's a write-up Draftexpress had on him.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/NBA ... ones-3630/

He reminds me of Andray Blatche a lot, and if you hear that from me, that's good, because I like Andray Blatche.

If guys like Sullinger and Kanter are off the board when we pick, I would love for us to pick him.
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Post#611 » by theboomking » Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:52 pm

I'd be stunned if Jones wasn't a top 3 pick in a draft, like this year's, that doesn't have any elite talents outside of maybe Irving. You guys are weighting production a little too highly here. Look at Westbrook's college production. Jones has a high ceiling, and doesn't have the same physical limitations in terms of size that Terrence Jones, or Derrick Williams have, and doesn't have the athleticism limitations of a Kanter or Sullinger. Regardless of how high any of us would take Perry Jones, he will be a top pick this year. I also think that Jones has been misused at Baylor. He often plays the 5, and just hangs around the rim on offense. I'm not sure he'll be great, but I do think Jones should be a better NBA player than he is a college player.

I share the same confusion that the rest of us do about Kanter, Sullinger and Derrick Williams. It will be interesting to get a look at their production at the end of the year, and then their measurements at the combine. If Kanter's knee's check out and he has had some tendonitis like Wall, and not any meniscus or articular cartilage damage, he may have the inside track.
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Post#612 » by mhd » Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:46 pm

I think Derrick Williams can defend 3s. He way more athletic than people give him credit for. He's more athletic than Paul Pierce is now for sure. Ditto Caron. He shows instincts out on the floor that can't be taught.

Oh, and on Perry Jones, he's clearly the most physically talented player in this draft.
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Re: Chicken Littles: Sky done fell! Draft Thread 2011 

Post#613 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:31 am

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closg00 wrote:I'm so afraid of what Ernie will do with the pick, last year the choice was obvious for him. Ernie picking 3-5, we'll be sweating it out on draft night.

Meh, Ernie has done a pretty nice job in the draft when he hasn't traded the pick (except for Pecherov). I see no reason to think that he'll screw it up. No GM is perfect, but EG seems better than average - or at least he's been better than many of the guys drafting in the same range where he has drafted.

In 2005, he had no 1st round pick (because of the Haywood trade) and found Blatche in the 2nd round.

In 2006, he whiffed on Pecherov. Though to be fair it was a pretty lousy draft. The next 5 guys drafted were Quincy Douby, Renaldo Balkman, Rajon Rondo, Marcus Williams and Josh Boone. Only one of those guys ever became a rotation-caliber player. Basically, he was destined to whiff on the pick unless he was lucky enough to grab Rondo.

In 2007, he picked Nick Young. The next 5 guys drafted were Sean Williams, Marco Belinelli, Javaris Crittenton, Jason Smith and Daequan Cook. EG easily made the best choice.

In 2008, he picked Javale McGee. The next 5 guys drafted were JJ Hickson, Alexis Ajinca, Ryan Anderson, Courtney Lee, and Kosta Koufas. I say EG made the best choice again.

In 2009, he traded the pick rather than drafting Rubio.

In 2010, he picked Wall - a no-brainer, unless you listen to CCJ. ;)


So the time he traded the #5 pick, (Seth Curry was a no-brainer, or rights to Rubio) for NOTHING doesn't matter, nate? Two free agents that weren't resigned after one year was myopic from day. Also, let's not count the second round picks he sold. Passing Blair up for token cash the same year he gave the #5 away for nothing should have gotten EG fired. That 26-56 team would have been over the luxury tax if EG hadn't essentially called the authorities on Gil.

You say he had other picks but Pecherov, but that season Millsap was a pick I posted about for months before the draft.

Honestly, this past draft I would have passed on Wall becauseI thought he would struggle as a rookie and that the Wizards had (18 PER last season) Gil. I would have traded Wall for New Jersey's or Sacramento's pick plus a veteran or a other lottery pick. I would have selected Cousins plus either Wes Johnson or Luke Babbitt. The picks EG used for Booker and Seraphin could have been any number of players--Dominic Jones, Armon Johnson, etc. I would have paid a fair offer to keep FAs Singletonand Livingston, too, nate.

Bottom line is EG isn't great at all. Wall was handed to him. I do think he's a good judge of athletic talent, and I give him major props on Wall, Booker, Seraphin, and Hamady. Nick and Javale were good picks. I don't think EG factors in basketball IQ and overall maturity and work ethic/aptitude, however.

nate, I still think I could have done even better than EG this past draft. Never would have moved up for Booker--and I wouldn't have acquired Hinrich, Yi, or Armstrong.
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Re: Chicken Littles: Sky done fell! Draft Thread 2011 

Post#614 » by doclinkin » Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:52 am

Funny, my running notes on the NCAAs echo recent sentiment on these pages. I can't really judge until March since this team needs most an infusion of proven winners. We have a ton of talent but have our biggest lack in attitude mindset and will to win. Accordingly here's who has caught my eye so far, given little exposure (babytime means I watch far less ball than ever, which, given the wiz' year, looks like I picked a fine time to dial back):

Not sold on Perry Jones. He's got that high center of gravity, and I get the feeling he'll measure with short arms. I just find it hard to trust a 6'11" with all that athleticism who doesn't really register on the boards much. Seems like we already have a couple of that guy already. He's probably an upgrade over Blatche long term, but I see more flash than winner in his game.

Love Derrick Willams, he just has a wiggle, has matrix read-react heads-up display to find angles and space around the basket. I'm not terribly objective about him, admit the bias, I just like his kinetic signature. I'd have fun watching him play.

Like Enes Kantor, despite worries about the knees. If he's dangling on the board mid lotto he's worth a shrug and crossed fingers on the knees. I dunno why I lean towards him when I'm flipping a mental coin between him and the other Eurobig Johnny Valentine. He just sticks in my eye as plausible.

Sullinger is an odd case for me. I appreciate players who can board via footwork and leverage. That part translates. But I have questions about his athleticism that I never had about DJ Blair for instance, therefore I have real questions about his overall defense and ability to score in the post. What I don't doubt is his desire and his smarts. He wants to win, if he can improve his game and body he will do it, hit the iron and add some physique, add reliable range, whatever is needed-- so from a locker room perspective he's worth the risk, a good add. He has the mindset of a championship roleplayer. I see no dominant players in this draft anyway, I'm fine adding a chemistry guy.

Klay Thompson also satisfies the eye. Looks like he could play on a squad right now. Ditto Tyler Honeycutt who boards pretty well despite his lean frame. Gets after it.

Oh and Faried. Still like that kid.
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Post#615 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:15 am

doc, I don't like Perry Jones all that much right now, either. I agree with earlier posts that Lace Dunn is a shot jacker who takes away opportunities for Jones to shine, but to me Perry is not of the same caliber competitor as Tristan Thompson. I could be wrong if he's just unassuming and young, but Perry Jones doesn't quite seem up to the hype IMO.

Tristan Thompson is really impressive at both ends of the court.

doc, we agree on Derrick Williams, too. I like him a little better than Sullinger because he can operate anywhere on the court. He has great range and he's a silky smooth finisher. He should score a ton in the NBA. I think Sullinger will have a little bit of a transition to make to adjust to the length of NBA bigs, but Jared will be a beast, too.
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Post#616 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:32 am

If there is a dominant player IMO it will probably be Terrance Jones. He strikes me a perennial all star type.
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Post#617 » by doclinkin » Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:42 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:If there is a dominant player IMO it will probably be Terrance Jones. He strikes me a perennial all star type.


Better learn to shoot then. I like his 'scrappy' but voters don't put you in the ASG unless you can score. In the NCAA he's big enough and athletic enough, but won't get quite the free ride when Dwight Howard or any of Bostons bigs are waiting in the lane. He needs the outside threat to be able to drive, 30% from college 3 doesn't do it.

I liked seeing savvy Chandler Parsons outplay TerJones, looking forward to the rematch. I've been keeping an eye on Parsons as an efficient role-player, until he got a bone bruise on the thigh, kid was tearing up his competition with a clutch no-mistakes hustle team game. No allstar but a natural chirotic sense, inherent sense of the moment, doing what is needed at just the right time, . Veteran savvy. Reliable outside shot, smart passes, gets every loose board, passes up the bad shot to get a better one for his teammate, and the scrawny strength to wriggle into position on every loose board.

Seems to me with a later pick our squad would do well to add talented seniors who play for winning squads.
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Post#618 » by Ruzious » Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:28 pm

Bottom line - Derrick Williams is the only American player that makes me go Wow when he plays and when reading his stats.

Tristan Thompson should stay in school. He's a 6'8 PF not built like Sullinger, Blair, Millsap et al. He needs to develop perimeter skills. If he does that, he could be special. If he goes in this year's draft, he'll sit for 2 or 3 years and won't develop until he's a free agent.
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Post#619 » by no D in Hibachi » Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:31 pm

I think Terrance Jones has pretty high bust potential. His shot is just hidiously ugly. I can't think of too many players who came into the league with terribly unorthodox shots and totally remade it to the point they became reliable shooters. T. Jones may be athletic but he's not uber athletic to really negate his bad shot. Teams will play off him and dare him to take 18 foot jumpers. If he was a Shawn Marions or Josh Smith type athlete I wouldn't be too concerned, but from what I see he's a tweener with a bad shot.
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Post#620 » by kirubel94 » Sun Feb 20, 2011 5:11 am

players that im intrested in

First round-
Kanter
D.Williams(really like him)
perry jones(falling)
Donatas Motiejunas( yeah first time mentioned but i like him as a more physical bargani/dirk)
Jonas Valanciunas(great potential)

2nd round
Jordan williams(if hes there its a steal)
Nolan smith(good backup combo guard )
Jajuan johnson(my favorite out of all, all around PF)
Norris Cole(40 pts and 20 rebound for a PG was enough for me to consider this guy)
Bojan Bogdanovic(could be the next rudy fernandez , great shooter , good ball handler)
Malcolm delaney( i just love how the guy shoots and plays his heart out , hope we really get this guy out of UDFA)

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