Official Trade Thread XV: 12/22/10 - 5/3/11

[Ruzious]

Please tell me what the Wizards' road record has to do with the Gilbert trade?

I can vouch for him, he was cranky before Arenas was traded.

Cranky was part of it, but almost all of his posts were about his perception that Zards fans weren't showing Arenas proper respect.

[verbal8]

David West says he'll opt out and look for $10M per in the offseason. Would NOH take Blatche as a cheaper replacement?

West(30 years old and wanting $10 million/year) directly to the Wizards does not make a lot of sense.

However if OKC goes win-now they might be interested.

I am not sure if this is fair, but I came up with this in the on the trade machine.

WAS
out
Hinrich
Blatche
Armstrong

in
N Collison
M Thornton
Maynor
Jack

OKC
in
West
Banks
W Green
Armstrong

out
N Collison
Maynor

NOH
in
Blatche
Hinrich

out
Jack
W Green
Banks
D West

I think it is a good deal for the Wizards. I think a Lewis, Collison, McGee front court could be decent, even if Collison is a significant downgrade. Thornton provides cheap insurance in case Nick Young leaves. Maynor should be a solid back-up for Wall. Jack is not as good as Hinrich, but 1/2 the price(although at extra year).

The Thunder get the best player in the deal and only have to give up a couple role players(Collison, Maynor) and take on a little salary.

It would be painful for the Hornets to have to part with Thornton, but it does get them under the luxury tax and gives them Hinrich who could back-up and play some along-side Chris Paul. While they take on salary for 2011-12. They have Blatche locked in and get out of the last year of Jack's deal.

[AceDegenerate]

Please tell me what the Wizards' road record has to do with the Gilbert trade?

I can vouch for him, he was cranky before Arenas was traded.

Cranky was part of it, but almost all of his posts were about his perception that Zards fans weren't showing Arenas proper respect.

Surely this year. But you should have been here long enough to remember how I felt about the team casting off other players as well.

To call me a troll now, is a bit silly, considering my posts and temperament haven't changed much in 10 years.

[Ruzious]

I can vouch for him, he was cranky before Arenas was traded.

Cranky was part of it, but almost all of his posts were about his perception that Zards fans weren't showing Arenas proper respect.

Surely this year. But you should have been here long enough to remember how I felt about the team casting off other players as well.

To call me a troll now, is a bit silly, considering my posts and temperament haven't changed much in 10 years.

Most of your posts have become exactly what a troll would say.

[AceDegenerate]

Most of your posts have become exactly what a troll would say.

It's funny how that works isn't it? People like yourself can have dual-fanship. Berate our players, coaches, management. Yet, the only troll on the board is me, huh?

Here we go again with the Old Men's Bridge Club.

At least I'm still only rooting for 1 team. How about those Bucks eh?

[LyricalRico]

David West says he'll opt out and look for $10M per in the offseason. Would NOH take Blatche as a cheaper replacement?

West(30 years old and wanting $10 million/year) directly to the Wizards does not make a lot of sense.

Well, I wasn't expecting the Wiz to keep West longterm. It's more like a salary dump with the benefit of having a guy who can play to try to get things turned around.

Even if renting West costs us some ping-pong balls, I think it'll be worth it to have another professional on the team to counteract the knuckle-head factor. Cuz if we add another lottery talent next season, why should we expect things to change if the same cast of characters is in place? Culture change is more important right now to this team than talent IMO.

[Ruzious]

Most of your posts have become exactly what a troll would say.

It's funny how that works isn't it? People like yourself can have dual-fanship. Berate our players, coaches, management. Yet, the only troll on the board is me, huh?

Here we go again with the Old Men's Bridge Club.

At least I'm still only rooting for 1 team. How about those Bucks eh?

That 1 team you're rooting for is probably Orlando.

Honestly, the Bucks kinda bore me. They've set their goal to be a .500 type team - signing guys like Gooden and Salmons to long expensive contracts. I'd rather go the rebuild route - like the Wiz have done.

[AceDegenerate]

That 1 team you're rooting for is probably Orlando.

Honestly, the Bucks kinda bore me. They've set their goal to be a .500 type team - signing guys like Gooden and Salmons to long expensive contracts. I'd rather go the rebuild route - like the Wiz have done.

That's why I post so much on the Magic forum right? If I'm such a player fan, why would I be happy watching the Magic with Arenas getting less time there than he was in DC?

I've posted here nearly every day since the trade, and have also still watched every single game the Wiz have played (albeit, giving up more than a few times when it gets too frustrating to watch.)

Regardless, I despise the management and despise most the players and that much is evident in my comments, however I am rooting for the WIZARDS to WIN GAMES.

I've said more than once if they win ONE SINGLE GAME on the ROAD, they will have EARNED my respect. Until they do that, expect more "trolling" from me if that's what you want to call it.

[theboomking]

GS has made it known they would be willing to part with Curry if the package were good enough, and I think Curry could be deadly opposite Wall. Do we have anything with which we could pry away Steph Curry from GS? They probably wouldn't want NY, as they already have Ellis. I suppose Nick could be a 6th man off the bench. Blatche's value isn't that great, and I doubt our draft pick is something we'd consider trading.

Blatche and the #5 pick for Curry? Blatche, Young and McGee for Curry? Wishful thinking I believe. I don't see any way to make it work.

[DallasShalDune]

I'd give Blatche and a protected 1st (top 4 picks) for Curry. But first, I'd try to figure out the game plan for what EG, Ted, and Flip seeing this team looking like in 5 years. How are we going to be a contender without any decent defenders. I doubt an undersized Curry can defend the 2 as well as NY, or even the 1. For all of our defensive lapses, we at least have length with Wall/NY/Shard and a lot of potential among the two younger wizards of the three in mention.

I'd still look into it, though. Curry is a great offensive threat--something we don't have outside of NY.

[nate33]

I'd give Blatche and a protected 1st (top 4 picks) for Curry. But first, I'd try to figure out the game plan for what EG, Ted, and Flip seeing this team looking like in 5 years. How are we going to be a contender without any decent defenders. I doubt an undersized Curry can defend the 2 as well as NY, or even the 1. For all of our defensive lapses, we at least have length with Wall/NY/Shard and a lot of potential among the two younger wizards of the three in mention.

I'd still look into it, though. Curry is a great offensive threat--something we don't have outside of NY.

I'd give Blatche and a protected 1st for somebody with the talent of Curry, but Curry himself is the wrong fit. We don't need another PG.

At this point, I think we're better off just keeping Blatche with a plan of moving him to backup PF/C. If we can land Sullinger or Kanter in the draft we'll be okay. As a backup, Blatche will have to work harder if he wants minutes. Also, Flip will have the flexibility to take him out of the game on days when "Bad Blatche" shows up. Right now, our frontcourt sucks so bad that Bad Blatche is still better than the alternatives.

[dandridge 10]

I'd give Blatche and a protected 1st (top 4 picks) for Curry. But first, I'd try to figure out the game plan for what EG, Ted, and Flip seeing this team looking like in 5 years. How are we going to be a contender without any decent defenders. I doubt an undersized Curry can defend the 2 as well as NY, or even the 1. For all of our defensive lapses, we at least have length with Wall/NY/Shard and a lot of potential among the two younger wizards of the three in mention.

I'd still look into it, though. Curry is a great offensive threat--something we don't have outside of NY.

I'd give Blatche and a protected 1st for somebody with the talent of Curry, but Curry himself is the wrong fit. We don't need another PG.

At this point, I think we're better off just keeping Blatche with a plan of moving him to backup PF/C. If we can land Sullinger or Kanter in the draft we'll be okay. As a backup, Blatche will have to work harder if he wants minutes. Also, Flip will have the flexibility to take him out of the game on days when "Bad Blatche" shows up. Right now, our frontcourt sucks so bad that Bad Blatche is still better than the alternatives.

I agree Curry would be a bad fit. However, I disagree with he approach of keeping Blatche as a back-up for 2 reasons. First, I don't think Blatche would work harder to get minutes as a reserve role. Given his personality, I think he would basically sulk, give minimal effort and collect a paycheck. He wasn't really "working harder" when he was a reserve to Jamison. Second, I think he can be a bad influence to the younger players on the team and clearly has displayed a history of poor judgement. I'd rather roll with someone with slightly less talent and more work ethic and hustle in the reserve role, than having Blatche around already immature players like McGee. I like Ted's plans on building around tough, hard working players...Blatche doesnt fit that mold.

[verbal8]

I'd give Blatche and a protected 1st (top 4 picks) for Curry. But first, I'd try to figure out the game plan for what EG, Ted, and Flip seeing this team looking like in 5 years. How are we going to be a contender without any decent defenders. I doubt an undersized Curry can defend the 2 as well as NY, or even the 1. For all of our defensive lapses, we at least have length with Wall/NY/Shard and a lot of potential among the two younger wizards of the three in mention.

I'd still look into it, though. Curry is a great offensive threat--something we don't have outside of NY.

I'd give Blatche and a protected 1st for somebody with the talent of Curry, but Curry himself is the wrong fit. We don't need another PG.

At this point, I think we're better off just keeping Blatche with a plan of moving him to backup PF/C. If we can land Sullinger or Kanter in the draft we'll be okay. As a backup, Blatche will have to work harder if he wants minutes. Also, Flip will have the flexibility to take him out of the game on days when "Bad Blatche" shows up. Right now, our frontcourt sucks so bad that Bad Blatche is still better than the alternatives.

It is a risk, but I think Blatche as a back-up C/PF is not a bad option. According to PER and opponent PER he is doing better as a Center this year.

[DMVleGeND]

I'd give Blatche and a protected 1st (top 4 picks) for Curry. But first, I'd try to figure out the game plan for what EG, Ted, and Flip seeing this team looking like in 5 years. How are we going to be a contender without any decent defenders. I doubt an undersized Curry can defend the 2 as well as NY, or even the 1. For all of our defensive lapses, we at least have length with Wall/NY/Shard and a lot of potential among the two younger wizards of the three in mention.

I'd still look into it, though. Curry is a great offensive threat--something we don't have outside of NY.

I'd give Blatche and a protected 1st for somebody with the talent of Curry, but Curry himself is the wrong fit. We don't need another PG.

At this point, I think we're better off just keeping Blatche with a plan of moving him to backup PF/C. If we can land Sullinger or Kanter in the draft we'll be okay. As a backup, Blatche will have to work harder if he wants minutes. Also, Flip will have the flexibility to take him out of the game on days when "Bad Blatche" shows up. Right now, our frontcourt sucks so bad that Bad Blatche is still better than the alternatives.

It is a risk, but I think Blatche as a back-up C/PF is not a bad option. According to PER and opponent PER he is doing better as a Center this year.

Blatche isn't a backup. He is capable of being a good starter but the injury has really held him back this season. You guys will see when he's killin for us or another team next season

[dangermouse]

since hearing about Curry's availability ive been thinking of how we could snag him, but i dont think we have anything close to what GSW would want apart from our pick, which is pointless to trade for a guy who plays a position that we are pretty much set at. i do think Curry could fit in with Wall. It would be like a better version of the GSW back court, two ball handlers, one a slasher, the other a deadeye shooter, except for us Wall would be able to guard the 2 more effectively. From what ive seen of Wall (and i havent seen quite as much as you guys so i might be wrong) he seems to have trouble guarding the quicker 1s in the league and defending the p 'n r. allowing him to be a 1 on offense and a 2 on the defense could work.

but in the end its all a wash because GSW want a 'star' in return (probably would get an borderlining all star level talent at best). its tough to think of any that are available that fill a position of need for them.

anyway, lets say they do acquire someone, lets say Danny Granger or someone similar to hold down the SF/SG position, and GSW (which they seem to be) are thinking 'hey, lets make a push to be a playoff team again', could we possibly snag Udoh + filler for something around Blatche? hes a project, but i think id rather invest time in him than in Blatche right now.

[AceDegenerate]

It's always great to try and work out trades for players we SHOULD have drafted. Even though plenty were firmly against drafting him at the time and were convinced 2 scrub vets could outproduce Curry. This is why it would be nice to have competent management.

[LyricalRico]

I don't think Curry would work here with Wall. Young is a better fit as the starter and we're not good enough to entertain giving up picks for a third guard.

[Dat2U]

Young is a better fit as the starter and we're not good enough to entertain giving up picks for a third guard.

Laughable. Give me Curry over Young every single day of the week. Young can score with anyone but he's half the player Curry is in terms of overall b-ball IQ and his ability to get others involved.

We badly overrate our young talent on this board. Nick is having a nice run but he's a 1st option on an absolutely putrid team. He's basically like Ricky Davis in his prime or JR Smith if JR had the green light to gun it every night.

Curry wouldn't be an ideal fit in Flip's offense b/c its so PG centric and would basically turn Curry into a spot up shooter or have him mainly come off screens. Pretty much what it regulated Gilbert to when he was playing SG. However in more conventional sets where the PG or SG can initiate the offense, Curry could offer another dimension to our dreadful offense with his decision making & passing ability making it a potentially deadly backcourt. On defense Wall has shown no ability to guard PGs at this stage and maybe he'd fare better at guarding SGs, especially considering the dearth of quality SGs in the league and the fact he's got the length to do so.

[LyricalRico]

I didn't say Young was a better PLAYER. I said he was a better FIT on this team. You basically made my point when you said this:

Curry wouldn't be an ideal fit in Flip's offense b/c its so PG centric and would basically turn Curry into a spot up shooter or have him mainly come off screens. Pretty much what it regulated Gilbert to when he was playing SG.

In a vacuum, would I take Curry over Young? Absolutely. But considering what we'd have to give up to get him and what Curry's role would be on this particular version of the Wiz, I'd rather stick with Young and build up other positions on the roster. We have bigger problems than Nick Young IMO.

[Dat2U]

I didn't say Young was a better PLAYER. I said he was a better FIT on this team. You basically made my point when you said this:

Curry wouldn't be an ideal fit in Flip's offense b/c its so PG centric and would basically turn Curry into a spot up shooter or have him mainly come off screens. Pretty much what it regulated Gilbert to when he was playing SG.

In a vacuum, would I take Curry over Young? Absolutely. But considering what we'd have to give up to get him and what Curry's role would be on this particular version of the Wiz, I'd rather stick with Young and build up other positions on the roster. We have bigger problems than Nick Young IMO.

So a terrible team like us wouldn't acquire a superior player b/c he doesn't fit the coach's scheme? Either the coach has to adjust or the coach needs to go. The last thing is franchise needs to worry about is finding players to fit Flip's offensive system. Our roster is one gigantic FAIL and were worried about the system? That's ass backwards. One of the many, many problems we have is a miserable offense, so adding someone like Curry could only help in that aspect.