Is Wall Top 5 PG?

[TheSecretWeapon]

Shaq...
This is no disrespect at all to curry...I think he's the greatest shooter ever...
But he's so good at this 1 skill...and have capable team mates he don't have to play the other side of the ball with 100% effort and it's nothing wrong with that...that's really smart coaching, using your chess board....but when compared with the truly greats they was monsters on both ends

I asked who was better offensively because you implied that Curry was merely top 5 offensively, not the best. Here is how Shaq's best season compares to Curry:


Curry scores considerably more with a MUCH better ORtg. Plus, he is able to be the go to scorer in the clutch since he isn't a liability at the FT line. And finally, his "gravity" draws defenses into double-teams 30 feet from the rim, which makes life much easier on his teammates. His team is doing even better than Shaq's stacked Lakers team even though Curry lacks a top 15 all time great by his side like Shaq had with Kobe.

Shaq only problems was free throws like curry main problem is defense...which is a bigger problem?...
You're telling me you'll take curry over Shaq??
Even klay Thompson being a Kobe lite and draymond Being the 2nd best player...
Curry has had years to set the league on fire...but it didn't really progress until draymond stepped in the lineup...curry is an incredible talent but he's has the best team set around him ever....
U can't Put it in a scope because they're all pretty young
But these guys together are all future hof...yes klay yes draymond is as well....
This is the equivalent of the thunder not trading harden...and getting One of the most accomplished player coaches

Curry is not a problem on defense. This is fiction. Golden State is 6th in defense so far this season, and they're 10.6 points per 100 possessions better defensively when Curry is on the floor. Last season, they were the league's best defensive team, and they were 3.5 points per 100 possessions better defensively when Curry was on the floor.

In addition to having the best offensive season in league history, Curry is also having a very good season on the defensive end.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

So, I think what you're saying is that Steph Curry is good--perhaps even better than Randy Foye plus Mike Miller.

[dobrojim]

Or at least 1 year rentals of those 2 guys

[deneem4]

I asked who was better offensively because you implied that Curry was merely top 5 offensively, not the best. Here is how Shaq's best season compares to Curry:


Curry scores considerably more with a MUCH better ORtg. Plus, he is able to be the go to scorer in the clutch since he isn't a liability at the FT line. And finally, his "gravity" draws defenses into double-teams 30 feet from the rim, which makes life much easier on his teammates. His team is doing even better than Shaq's stacked Lakers team even though Curry lacks a top 15 all time great by his side like Shaq had with Kobe.

Shaq only problems was free throws like curry main problem is defense...which is a bigger problem?...
You're telling me you'll take curry over Shaq??
Even klay Thompson being a Kobe lite and draymond Being the 2nd best player...
Curry has had years to set the league on fire...but it didn't really progress until draymond stepped in the lineup...curry is an incredible talent but he's has the best team set around him ever....
U can't Put it in a scope because they're all pretty young
But these guys together are all future hof...yes klay yes draymond is as well....
This is the equivalent of the thunder not trading harden...and getting One of the most accomplished player coaches

Curry is not a problem on defense. This is fiction. Golden State is 6th in defense so far this season, and they're 10.6 points per 100 possessions better defensively when Curry is on the floor. Last season, they were the league's best defensive team, and they were 3.5 points per 100 possessions better defensively when Curry was on the floor.

In addition to having the best offensive season in league history, Curry is also having a very good season on the defensive end.

It's draymond he's that good...tell me how many minutes curry played without draymond this year??...like 100?

[deneem4]

The eye test shows u how much curry is attacked successfully defensively...draymond almost literally stops everything else...

Look at them now...tied with the Hawks but have missed like 25 more shots...
And btw great defense is lowering attempts more than lowering percentages
Igudola isn't playing as well

[deneem4]

The Warriors has a team tht helps/compliment curry vs players than curry helps/compliments...
Wizards have a bunch of players that wall helps instead of players that help wall

[Kanyewest]

Igudola isn't playing as well

Iguodala didn't play.

[deneem4]

Igudola isn't playing as well

Iguodala didn't play.

I know that's what I said, and the warriors still won

[nate33]

The eye test shows u how much curry is attacked successfully defensively...draymond almost literally stops everything else...

Look at them now...tied with the Hawks but have missed like 25 more shots...
And btw great defense is lowering attempts more than lowering percentages
Igudola isn't playing as well

The Warriors outscore opponents by 19.8 points per 100 possessions when Curry is on the floor. They get outscored by 6.3 points per 100 possessions when he is off the floor. They are the best team in the history of the league when Curry is on the floor. They are the 4th worst team in the league when his off. (Admittedly, his off numbers should probably be taken with a grain of salt because much of the off time is 4th quarter garbage time.)

Curry has missed 3 games this season. The Warriors lost one by 23 and won the other two by 4 points each (one of them was in overtime).

In the Atlanta game last night, the Warriors has a TS% of .493 - their 3rd worst shooting night of the season. Draymond Green had a nice box score because he played 42 minutes, but he shot 6-15 and had 5 turnovers. Klay shot 8-27. This is what happens when Curry doesn't play.

[TheSecretWeapon]

The eye test ...

About "eye test."

[Kanyewest]

Igudola isn't playing as well

Iguodala didn't play.

I know that's what I said, and the warriors still won

My bad: I thought you were commenting how well Iguodala was playing.

[Kanyewest]

The eye test shows u how much curry is attacked successfully defensively...draymond almost literally stops everything else...

Look at them now...tied with the Hawks but have missed like 25 more shots...
And btw great defense is lowering attempts more than lowering percentages
Igudola isn't playing as well

The Warriors outscore opponents by 19.8 points per 100 possessions when Curry is on the floor. They get outscored by 6.3 points per 100 possessions when he is off the floor. They are the best team in the history of the league when Curry is on the floor. They are the 4th worst team in the league when his off. (Admittedly, his off numbers should probably be taken with a grain of salt because much of the off time is 4th quarter garbage time.)

Curry has missed 3 games this season. The Warriors lost one by 23 and won the other two by 4 points each (one of them was in overtime).

In the Atlanta game last night, the Warriors has a TS% of .493 - their 3rd worst shooting night of the season. Draymond Green had a nice box score because he played 42 minutes, but he shot 6-15 and had 5 turnovers. Klay shot 8-27. This is what happens when Curry doesn't play.

I agree the Warriors looked pretty bad offensively although I'm still not convinced they are one of the worst offensive teams in the NBA. It looked like Thompson was having a bad shooting night more than anything. But Thompson did pick it up at the end of the game, I believe he scored 9 points in OT.

The loss of Iggy may have hurt even more tonight because he may be the team's backup point guard to Livingston when Curry is out. Either way, when Draymond Green ran the offense as the point guard, the offense looked pretty bad.

[deneem4]

The eye test shows u how much curry is attacked successfully defensively...draymond almost literally stops everything else...

Look at them now...tied with the Hawks but have missed like 25 more shots...
And btw great defense is lowering attempts more than lowering percentages
Igudola isn't playing as well

The Warriors outscore opponents by 19.8 points per 100 possessions when Curry is on the floor. They get outscored by 6.3 points per 100 possessions when he is off the floor. They are the best team in the history of the league when Curry is on the floor. They are the 4th worst team in the league when his off. (Admittedly, his off numbers should probably be taken with a grain of salt because much of the off time is 4th quarter garbage time.)

Curry has missed 3 games this season. The Warriors lost one by 23 and won the other two by 4 points each (one of them was in overtime).

In the Atlanta game last night, the Warriors has a TS% of .493 - their 3rd worst shooting night of the season. Draymond Green had a nice box score because he played 42 minutes, but he shot 6-15 and had 5 turnovers. Klay shot 8-27. This is what happens when Curry doesn't play.

Curry hasn't played more than 200 minutes without draymond this season...out of the 1700 minutes he played he hasn't played 200 minutes without draymond....that like 80% or something....
Klay had a bad game...they tried to give him the green light he didn't succeed, they still won defensively...
Draymond pretty much plays the most minutes every game...he does all the intangible work on the offense and defensive end...

Curry plays mostly all his minutes with draymond on the floor that's why his stats look good defensively that's why his numbers look so impactful...

[nate33]

Curry hasn't played more than 200 minutes without draymond this season...out of the 1700 minutes he played he hasn't played 200 minutes without draymond....that like 80% or something....
Klay had a bad game...they tried to give him the green light he didn't succeed, they still won defensively...
Draymond pretty much plays the most minutes every game...he does all the intangible work on the offense and defensive end...

Curry plays mostly all his minutes with draymond on the floor that's why his stats look good defensively that's why his numbers look so impactful...

This Draymond Green love (from you and others) is really getting out of hand. He's a terrific defensive player, but his offensive impact is overrated. This notion that it's somehow Draymond who facilitates Curry's offense is absurd. Draymond benefits in a big way from Curry. It's Curry that draws the double team 30 feet from the rim who flips it to Draymond. Draymond gets to play 4 on 3. Many of Draymond's assists are really a result of Curry.

[deneem4]

Curry hasn't played more than 200 minutes without draymond this season...out of the 1700 minutes he played he hasn't played 200 minutes without draymond....that like 80% or something....
Klay had a bad game...they tried to give him the green light he didn't succeed, they still won defensively...
Draymond pretty much plays the most minutes every game...he does all the intangible work on the offense and defensive end...

Curry plays mostly all his minutes with draymond on the floor that's why his stats look good defensively that's why his numbers look so impactful...

This Draymond Green love (from you and others) is really getting out of hand. He's a terrific defensive player, but his offensive impact is overrated. This notion that it's somehow Draymond who facilitates Curry's offense is absurd. Draymond benefits in a big way from Curry. It's Curry that draws the double team 30 feet from the rim who flips it to Draymond. Draymond gets to play 4 on 3. Many of Draymond's assists are really a result of Curry.

Ummmm I explicitly stated defensively....please don't take me out of context for your opinion...
The argument was curry is having a great defensive season?
He's not...draymond defense is being understated....
I have never said draymond carry curry offensively.....but he's does defensively 90% of the time...considering he has played 90% of his minutes with him...
Curry is his own offensive weapon, but they wouldn't be where they are most games if draymond doesn't do what he does defensively...
Dont underestimate a guy who is probably going to end the season with the most triple doubles in an nba season history...

[deneem4]

This curry love is getting out of hand....efficiency to the side considering the team mates...but durant 2 seasons ago was more dominant...especially considering he did it by himself missed like 1 game...and he played more minutes and took more shots because he had too...

This warriors team is a collection of talent working together with curry being the main weapon offensive...granted he's the best shooter in nba history...but a Lillard or Kyrie(old kyrie) would excel in that position as well...it's a scoring point guard dream...

Say what u want about draymond but that team didn't get good til draymond got there...
It's not opinion either...the 1st year draymond started they won a championship...

[TheSecretWeapon]

There was a law student I once knew. She was convinced that after a car accident she could squeeze a certain spot on her arm and it would cause her to fart. She believed -- truly believed -- that a) the car accident had caused this phenomena; b) that it was real; and c) that IF she squeezed the spot and DIDN'T fart, it was because she wasn't squeezing in exactly the right place. She'd seen herself the squeeze-fart cause-effect. No amount of logical explanation could dissuade her of this belief, although a very good friend of mine tried.

Right now, I'm very much reminded of that woman.

[deneem4]

Curry always been an efficient 3pt shooter
It's his 7th year in the league, He's been a starter his whole Career....why's he so good now? Is it the shoes? Is he finally 100% healthy after 7 years???

It's draymond 4th, draymond became a starter last year...
They won they're 1st championship last year...

U take draymond from that team they're not in okc/spurs/Cle,..... tier...especially in the playoffs...

Curry is good but defense wins rings...
Btw a 6'7 240 pf is leading this team in assists, rebounds, and blocks....and can guard 1-5...

Draymond is the 2016 magic johnson...
Curry is the 3pt shooting iverson....who happens to have tmac and magic on his team

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

There was a law student I once knew. She was convinced that after a car accident she could squeeze a certain spot on her arm and it would cause her to fart. She believed -- truly believed -- that a) the car accident had caused this phenomena; b) that it was real; and c) that IF she squeezed the spot and DIDN'T fart, it was because she wasn't squeezing in exactly the right place. She'd seen herself the squeeze-fart cause-effect. No amount of logical explanation could dissuade her of this belief, although a very good friend of mine tried.

Right now, I'm very much reminded of that woman.

Best Kevin post .... Ever!

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

And if you squeezed her finger ???