Official Trade Thread - Part XXX

[gambitx777]

This trade makes too much sense.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jdqzzk3
WASH GET: Hickson, Barton, Harris, Covington.
PHILLY GET: Beal and a Future first/or thomas.
DEN GET: Embid and anderson and a furture First /Thomas.
We get three good young players on cheap deals and an expiring young big for back up, this makes us a lot better and helps our money situation next year. We get our young stretch 4, we get two good young guards. and we dump anderson. We can then cut Blair, Gooden or Eddie, I would cut blair and gooden if possible and keep Eddie. Philly gets a star 2 by giving up a guy whos never played for them and a first or thomas for covington. Denver gets to build up assets with a future star and cap room. one team would get thomas and one would get a future first like 2017 or something. Obviously we might opt to keep thomas but who knows.

[JAR69]

A BulletsForever thread just proposed the following trade:

Rights to Satoransky for Terrence Jones

It makes a lot of sense for Houston. They are over the luxtax and have a glut of power forwards, particularly after acquiring Smith. We can absorb Jones' salary with Webster's injured player exception. Houston will need a PG in the future after they jettison Ty Lawson so Sato seems like a good fit.

For us, Jones is a respectable, young stretch four who has the length and athleticism to complement our switching defensive style. But more importantly, Jones' cap hold next year is just $5.7M, which means we could retain his Bird Rights while still having cap room for KD2DC. I think obtaining a credible stretch four is critical to our KD2DC plans because Durant is not going to want to join a team that has him slotted to play PF for 36 minutes a night.

After signing Durant, we'd have maybe $2-4M leftover to retain Sessions, and then the Room Minimum to retain Temple. We draft a backup center and roll with the following lineup next year:

PG Wall/Sessions
SG Beal/Temple/Oubre
SF Durant/Porter/Oubre
PF Jones/Porter
C Gortat/1st round pick

We're a little thin at backup big, but we could probably find a few aging, ring-chasing vets to come play with us. Gooden will surely stick around. We could also choose to let Temple walk and instead spend that money on a slightly better backup big.

Man. I like this plan a lot.

If Diamond Stone slots about where he is expected, he could be there when the Wiz pick.

Wall/Sess
Beal/Oubre/Temple
Durant/Porter
Jones/Porter/Gooden
Gortat/Stone

Nice balance, nice mix of young, old and in their prime.

May need another scorer with the second team, but that's easy to find.

That team would be fast, versatile and athletic.

I like the plan, too, but I don't think the rights to Satoransky are enough to get Jones. Houston is likely to be offered a 1st round pick with protection for him, and I think we would have to do the same. I would do that - our 2016 1st with lottery protection. But even with Jones, I don't think KD is going to come to a team that thin up front. It isn't a credible championship roster. So I would look to trade Porter for frontcourt depth. I happen to be a big Porter fan, but on a team with KD he isn't going to get minutes, and Oubre is on a path to do most of what Otto does. My best case scenario would be to flip Porter straight up for Noel. Noel can back up both PF and C, and we need a defensive presence. My backup plans would be Otto for McGarry/Collison (but I don't think OKC will be in much of a mood to trade with us if we sign KD) or Brandan Wright (but he isn't the same level of defense as Noel).

Wall/Sessions
Beal/Temple/Oubre
Durant/Oubre/Temple
Jones/Noel (really, Durant would get minutes here)
Gortat/Noel

Maybe we need a little more scoring punch off the bench, but I think that's a pretty good team.

[nate33]

I like the plan, too, but I don't think the rights to Satoransky are enough to get Jones. Houston is likely to be offered a 1st round pick with protection for him, and I think we would have to do the same. I would do that - our 2016 1st with lottery protection.

I don't think Jones has that kind of value, not when he is due to be a free agent in 40 games and is expecting $10M plus a year. The only teams that would give much value for him are teams that would need his Bird Rights to exceed the cap, and that's a short list this summer because 26 teams have cap room.

But even with Jones, I don't think KD is going to come to a team that thin up front. It isn't a credible championship roster. So I would look to trade Porter for frontcourt depth. I happen to be a big Porter fan, but on a team with KD he isn't going to get minutes, and Oubre is on a path to do most of what Otto does. My best case scenario would be to flip Porter straight up for Noel.

If we don't get KD, I'd use the cap room to go after a talented young big. At the very least, I'd take a shot at Biyombo. I'd also look at Whiteside, Horford, Motiejunas and perhaps Ryan Anderson.

I have no desire at all to trade Porter. I think he's going to continue to fill out so that he can play more and more minutes at the PF slot. Likewise, Oubre will improve his ball handling so he can play a little SG. The bottom line is that there's plenty of room in the rotation for 4 guys (Beal, Oubre, Porter and Jones) to handle 3 positions (SG, SF and PF). Versatility is key in today's game. You want a lot of big wing players who can switch on D and make decisions with the ball on offense.

[payitforward]

...I like the plan, too, but I don't think the rights to Satoransky are enough to get Jones. Houston is likely to be offered a 1st round pick with protection for him, and I think we would have to do the same. I would do that - our 2016 1st with lottery protection.

I agree that the rights to Sato wouldn't be likely to bring back Terrence Jones. I was high on him coming into the league. He played well as a rookie (in very few minutes) and extremely well in his 2d year, and not that long ago I was hoping we would trade for him.

But he hasn't been nearly as good the last two years, and he's been injured a lot (though I don't know the specifics). I can't see giving a R1 pick for him.

But even with Jones, I don't think KD is going to come to a team that thin up front. It isn't a credible championship roster. So I would look to trade Porter for frontcourt depth. I happen to be a big Porter fan, but on a team with KD he isn't going to get minutes, and Oubre is on a path to do most of what Otto does. My best case scenario would be to flip Porter straight up for Noel. Noel can back up both PF and C, and we need a defensive presence. My backup plans would be Otto for McGarry/Collison (but I don't think OKC will be in much of a mood to trade with us if we sign KD) or Brandan Wright (but he isn't the same level of defense as Noel)....

Kevin Durant will have his pick of many teams if he wants to leave OKC. If "championship roster" is the sorting tool, then how would we even be in the picture? Just for starters, his current team would look much better than the Wizards (i.e. w/ or w/o Noel in place of Porter). For that matter, I can easily imagine Durant choosing Boston over the Wizards. And, if Boston, then a lot of other teams as well....

The only advantage we would offer, if it is one (and it might as easily be a disadvantage), is that DC is his home town. This must also be how Ted 'n Ernie see it, no? I.e. since there's been no effort to improve next year's roster in order to attract the guy.

[payitforward]

Porter for Brandan Wright = youth for age. I hope we don't go that route....

[Hidden Eye]

Thaddeus Young would be good for a "S4" not sure what the wizards would have to give to get him. He would be a perfect and best fit for the pace and style of the team. Weakness is 3 point shooting however he never has played for a really good time like this.

Markieff Morris is a good look too but his attitude problem can be a concern. Don't need another knucklehead, Wizards had enough of that for the past 10 years.

I've always liked Thad Young but more so for his defense and rebounding than his offense, can't really count on him to shoot with any consistency.

Wouldn't be a problem if he worked on it, rather have him than Humphries. Move Dudley to backup 3 till Oubre gets ready for more minutes.

[nate33]

Thaddeus Young would be good for a "S4" not sure what the wizards would have to give to get him. He would be a perfect and best fit for the pace and style of the team. Weakness is 3 point shooting however he never has played for a really good time like this.

Markieff Morris is a good look too but his attitude problem can be a concern. Don't need another knucklehead, Wizards had enough of that for the past 10 years.

I've always liked Thad Young but more so for his defense and rebounding than his offense, can't really count on him to shoot with any consistency.

Wouldn't be a problem if he worked on it, rather have him than Humphries. Move Dudley to backup 3 till Oubre gets ready for more minutes.

I don't like Thad Young. I've always considered him the prototypical "good player on a bad team" type of guy. He doesn't hit 3's to stretch the floor, and he doesn't draw fouls. I think his type of offense just isn't cumulative with others. He merely takes shots from other players without boosting efficiency. He also has a consistently terrible DRtg.

In 9 seasons, he has literally never been on a winning team.

[Hidden Eye]

I've always liked Thad Young but more so for his defense and rebounding than his offense, can't really count on him to shoot with any consistency.

Wouldn't be a problem if he worked on it, rather have him than Humphries. Move Dudley to backup 3 till Oubre gets ready for more minutes.

I don't like Thad Young. I've always considered him the prototypical "good player on a bad team" type of guy. He doesn't hit 3's to stretch the floor, and he doesn't draw fouls. I think his type of offense just isn't cumulative with others. He merely takes shots from other players without boosting efficiency. He also has a consistently terrible DRtg.

In 9 seasons, he has literally never been on a winning team.

Hitting 3s isn't a big concern, If somebody like Meyers Leonard can hit a three him improving a three isn't going to be a challenge. He can draw fouls... His offensive can work with others. He has really good handles for somebody his size. Has NO INJURY history and is 27. How is putting up 15pts and 9 rebounds considered bad?

So you are discrediting him because he played for the 76ers for 7 seasons ok now

[nate33]

Wouldn't be a problem if he worked on it, rather have him than Humphries. Move Dudley to backup 3 till Oubre gets ready for more minutes.

I don't like Thad Young. I've always considered him the prototypical "good player on a bad team" type of guy. He doesn't hit 3's to stretch the floor, and he doesn't draw fouls. I think his type of offense just isn't cumulative with others. He merely takes shots from other players without boosting efficiency. He also has a consistently terrible DRtg.

In 9 seasons, he has literally never been on a winning team.

Hitting 3s isn't a big concern, If somebody like Meyers Leonard can hit a three him improving a three isn't going to be a challenge. He can draw fouls... His offensive can work with others. He has really good handles for somebody his size. Has NO INJURY history and is 27. How is putting up 15pts and 9 rebounds considered bad?

So you are discrediting him because he played for the 76ers for 7 seasons ok now

Let's not act like the Sixers have been in tank mode for 7 seasons. When Thad was on the team, they had guys like Iggy, Korver, Brand and Dalembert, and they were trying to win.

[JAR69]

I don't think Jones has that kind of value, not when he is due to be a free agent in 40 games and is expecting $10M plus a year. The only teams that would give much value for him are teams that would need his Bird Rights to exceed the cap, and that's a short list this summer because 26 teams have cap room.

Except that what appeals to us about Jones should appeal to at least some other teams below the cap - his skill level plus his low cap hold. Like the Wizards, it allows a team to sign a higher-priced free agent then turn to signing Jones above the cap. And I don't think Sato has that much value. He is unproven in the NBA and just signed an extension to play longer overseas. Jones, on the other hand, is a borderline starter or better.

If we don't get KD, I'd use the cap room to go after a talented young big. At the very least, I'd take a shot at Biyombo. I'd also look at Whiteside, Horford, Motiejunas and perhaps Ryan Anderson.

I have no desire at all to trade Porter. I think he's going to continue to fill out so that he can play more and more minutes at the PF slot. Likewise, Oubre will improve his ball handling so he can play a little SG. The bottom line is that there's plenty of room in the rotation for 4 guys (Beal, Oubre, Porter and Jones) to handle 3 positions (SG, SF and PF). Versatility is key in today's game. You want a lot of big wing players who can switch on D and make decisions with the ball on offense.

As to your first point, I'm talking about trying what it might take to get KD. I'm much less interested in a Porter-Noel trade if we don't.

I'm not convinced Porter can be counted on as a backup PF, even if he fills out some. Yes, he is long, but I think he will get abused by most heavier and stronger PFs. And none of this addresses the problem with having no credible backup for Gortat when Nene is gone.

[Hidden Eye]

I don't like Thad Young. I've always considered him the prototypical "good player on a bad team" type of guy. He doesn't hit 3's to stretch the floor, and he doesn't draw fouls. I think his type of offense just isn't cumulative with others. He merely takes shots from other players without boosting efficiency. He also has a consistently terrible DRtg.

In 9 seasons, he has literally never been on a winning team.

Hitting 3s isn't a big concern, If somebody like Meyers Leonard can hit a three him improving a three isn't going to be a challenge. He can draw fouls... His offensive can work with others. He has really good handles for somebody his size. Has NO INJURY history and is 27. How is putting up 15pts and 9 rebounds considered bad?

So you are discrediting him because he played for the 76ers for 7 seasons ok now

Let's not act like the Sixers have been in tank mode for 7 seasons. When Thad was on the team, they had guys like Iggy, Korver, Brand and Dalembert, and they were trying to win.

Those 76ers teams have never been good, not even 42 wins.

[deneem4]

I'm in the minority but I would trade for Anthony bennett

[Dark Faze]

Yea, I love Porters potential as a more filled out stretch 4, but I don't like him here as a 3 at all. So we need to figure out if he can play the role we need ASAP. Dude literally needs to dirty bulk. Hit the pizza buffet every day and lift everyday. Needs 40 pounds even if a good chunk of it is fat.

[Patsfan1081]

Not sure I want Love. He racked up #s on a terrible Minnesota team and never won anything as the man, goes to Cleveland, he gets hurt they still make the Finals, now he's healthy and still not doing much. Maybe I'm missing something, but I just don't think he's that good. We'd be doing the Cavs a massive favor giving them anything of significance for Love.

Cleveland could get a lot more for Love, both L.A. And Boston would give up a good amount to get him. These deals aren't even close to the value Cleveland would ask for.

[Patsfan1081]

Beal is a SG that is not (right now) a big enough upgrade over the JR/Shumpert rotation they have to justify giving up Love. He doesnt solve their defending problems, Lebron doesnt want to be a full time PF (even though he should be) and they still have a starting C issue. If Love is going out, it has to be to plug holes, not strengthen areas where they are fine (SG)

Shumpert and Smith can't play the entire game. If Lebron plays PF full time, Beal will be replacing Mo Williams and Richard Jefferson, not Shumpert and Smith. And that's a HUGE upgrade.

And Love, you forgot that. Does it make them more likely to win a championship this year? I dont think so. And they'll be forced to match a 20+ mill contract to one of the few players in the league more injury prone than Love. Jus sayin, Cavs are trying to win a chip right now, Beal, to me, is not the win now player the Cavs need.

Would the Cavs rather have, say, Crowder/Bradley or Beal, to win a chip right now? I'd pretty easily take the former if i was them, and thats only 1 deal. How about McCollum/Aminu? etc...

Your talking about two players signed on the cheap for like four more years vs one who's going to be a free agent and will most likely get a max. Plus, have you seen how good Crowder has played this season? He's also playing close to an all star level and might be the second best defensive small forward playing this year. Crowder is prob a better fit in Cleveland than Beal.

[Benjammin]

Some of us really liked Crowder when he came out.

[deneem4]

Yea, I love Porters potential as a more filled out stretch 4, but I don't like him here as a 3 at all. So we need to figure out if he can play the role we need ASAP. Dude literally needs to dirty bulk. Hit the pizza buffet every day and lift everyday. Needs 40 pounds even if a good chunk of it is fat.

Hes going to get heavier he really jus needs to get smarter...use his length to an advantage at the pf position...I would like to see him and oubre as forward combo, oubre more gambler while Porter the more alert

[Dark Faze]

I don't think its a sure bet that he gains the weight though. If he's not added a ton of weight by training camp then I say he is what he is at that point. That would be three straight years of NBA weight training off seasons. People forget how skinny Wall was as a rookie. You can look at his weight gain over the years and see the growth. Haven't seen much of any change in Otto.

[Ruzious]

I don't think its a sure bet that he gains the weight though. If he's not added a ton of weight by training camp then I say he is what he is at that point. That would be three straight years of NBA weight training off seasons. People forget how skinny Wall was as a rookie. You can look at his weight gain over the years and see the growth. Haven't seen much of any change in Otto.

I agree. I don't see Otto as having the frame to add more good weight. Beal weighs more than Otto, and Wall's probably very close to Otto's weight. Asking Otto to play the 4 for more than a few minutes a game is likely a career-shortening move.

[TheSecretWeapon]

I love how we're thinking up ways the Wizards could trade for guys they could have drafted...in the second round...not long ago.