Official Trade Thread - Part XXXI

[nate33]

Treadmill team? No, we're a "slipped in the treadmill and flew off the back" team.

We are on pace to win 18 games.

As much as we have sucked lately, I don't think we're THAT bad. We'd have at least 1 more win if Wall could play in back-to-backs (which, presumably will be the case for most of the year). And that Memphis game should have been a win. I think we're still a pretty sure bet to win 30+ games, and probably more like 35.

[montestewart]

Treadmill team? No, we're a "slipped in the treadmill and flew off the back" team.

We are on pace to win 18 games.

As much as we have sucked lately, I don't think we're THAT bad. We'd have at least 1 more win if Wall could play in back-to-backs (which, presumably will be the case for most of the year). And that Memphis game should have been a win. I think we're still a pretty sure bet to win 30+ games, and probably more like 35.

So there's hope that the Wizards can just barely squeak into the sweet spot, missing the playoffs and surrendering the protected pick that EG trades away for Monta Ellis or Rudy Gay or...

[nate33]

Treadmill team? No, we're a "slipped in the treadmill and flew off the back" team.

We are on pace to win 18 games.

As much as we have sucked lately, I don't think we're THAT bad. We'd have at least 1 more win if Wall could play in back-to-backs (which, presumably will be the case for most of the year). And that Memphis game should have been a win. I think we're still a pretty sure bet to win 30+ games, and probably more like 35.

Going by the Simple Rating System (designed to take strength of schedule and point differential into account), we are merely the 10th worst team in the East, ahead of Brooklyn, New York, Indiana, Orlando, and Philly

[gambitx777]

Philly could work,
I would trade beal and maybe a future loto protected pick for Henderson, ilyasolva, and one of noel/okafur
then trade either Mahinmi or gortat to denver, Denver is stacked at the wing but weak at center. and they have hella cap room
Mahinmi or gortat for Barton or harris. or at that point even trae one of them for a pick (maybe send this one to philly or get this the same year to balance it out) since denver can absorb a contract.

[Dat2U]

Philly could work,
I would trade beal and maybe a future loto protected pick for Henderson, ilyasolva, and one of noel/okafur
then trade either Mahinmi or gortat to denver, Denver is stacked at the wing but weak at center. and they have hella cap room
Mahinmi or gortat for Barton or harris. or at that point even trae one of them for a pick (maybe send this one to philly or get this the same year to balance it out) since denver can absorb a contract.

Yuck, there's no way in hell I'm giving up a 1st rd pick. I want Beal gone but not at that cost. Nor do I think it will take a pick to trade Beal.

And I never understood the love with Henderson. Yet another guard that can't make a 3 to save his life.

[gambitx777]

Philly could work,
I would trade beal and maybe a future loto protected pick for Henderson, ilyasolva, and one of noel/okafur
then trade either Mahinmi or gortat to denver, Denver is stacked at the wing but weak at center. and they have hella cap room
Mahinmi or gortat for Barton or harris. or at that point even trae one of them for a pick (maybe send this one to philly or get this the same year to balance it out) since denver can absorb a contract.

Yuck, there's no way in hell I'm giving up a 1st rd pick. I want Beal gone but not at that cost. Nor do I think it will take a pick to trade Beal.

And I never understood the love with Henderson. Yet another guard that can't make a 3 to save his life.

Well I said maybe a pick, depends on how we negotiate, and our main problem is our depth. our bench sucks. with these trades look at our team
Wall/Sato/Burke
Barton-harris/Henderson/McEllen
Otto/Kelly/Thornton
Morris/Ilyasolva/Nicholson
and some combination or Okafur-Noel/Gotat-Mahinmi/Ochifu-smith
Then we cut trade stretch any one we don't need.
House and smith would be my first to go, then upgrading burke would be my next move. That is better team than what we have now. That is a much better bench that what we have now.

[JWizmentality]

I just want Beal gone.

[WizarDynasty]

Washington trades Beal and unprotected first rounder for klay thompson. Problem solved. Wall and are klay are perfect compliments. Klay can put up 25 plus shots a game and an undisputed all star in eastern conference. We need Klay size and shooting at sg posiition in the worst possible way imaginable.

[gambitx777]

Washington trades Beal and unprotected first rounder for klay thompson. Problem solved. Wall and Beal are perfect compliments. Klay can put up 25 plus shots a game and an undisputed all star in eastern conference.

I don't think we have the amo to even sniff a clay thompson trade. if they were smart they would offer clay to the teams with the best young bigs and see who bites cuz damn they need a center.

[deneem4]

We can be one of the better teams in the east once we shift our game to the league...
Midrange and attacking is taking over the league...guys like derozan who shy away from 3s are leading the league in points..
Out of the top 10 scorers in the league wiggins have the best 3pt %....
Andrew Wiggins is leading the league in 3pt percentage...
Otto porter is leading the league in 2pt percentage....
Derozan I'say the scoring leader and shoots horrible from 3...
(I had to repeat those things)
This sounds like a wizards league...we have a great midrange shooter an all nba defensive pg......if Wall can unleash himself to be the engine and oil we can become dominant like the Hawks in 2015...
That can only happen if brooks coaches correctly...

But a gortat trade will do wonders...think about channing Frye from 2 years ago and channing frye now....if Cleveland offered him for gortat it wouldnt be a thought...
Not just because of frye ability but what his specific speciality means to the league....

The league is shifting we have to shift too...

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jktjrub

We trade: gortat/burke
We get: holmes/brewer/illyasova...

Philly trades holmes/illyasova
Philly gets: Beverly

Houston trades: Brewer/beverly
Houston gets: gortat/burke

Maybe include the kingdom with wcs and gay moving
Along with some picks...
But i think this move can shore up our bench...especially when Mahinmi gets back...until we start homes or illy...

With a bench of
Sato
Oubre
Brewer
Illy
Nicholson

[WizarDynasty]

Washington trades Beal and unprotected first rounder for klay thompson. Problem solved. Wall and klay are perfect compliments. Klay can put up 25 plus shots a game and an undisputed all star in eastern conference.

I don't think we have the amo to even sniff a clay thompson trade. if they were smart they would offer clay to the teams with the best young bigs and see who bites cuz damn they need a center.

I would give up everything on this roster outside of wall for klay thompson. There is now way golden state can go forward with durant and thompson together. We throw beal and gortat in the trade. Gortat s an above average bench big. He rebounds ok and runs the floor but he doesn't play above the rim and for a big who can't create his shot, is not even a decent shot blocker...how many times has gortat had 4 plus shots blocked in a game. He can't alley oops and his entire game revolves around avoiding contact. He doesn't wear the opposing center down or get the other big man's center in foul trouble.

Gortat was an is a huge upgrade over mcgee. He was much better than a busted and surgically repaired nene. Better than injured okafor but gortat, as someone said is basically another beal and porter--they can't draw fouls with their individual athleticism and rely on another players athleticism to open up their game. No way this type of player should be the highest paid on the team. He doesn't assert his will on the game and take over and he lacks body coordination to draw fouls. He doesn't have foot coordination in the post to draw fouls. He gets rebounds that he is suppose to get but he isn't a dennis rodman motor type of guy in the rebounding department. How many times does gortat finish in traffic with dunks. He is not good at drawing contact and getting to the line. He basically thrives off another big leaving him open to help out on wall. Same with porter, same with beal.
Beal may want to take over the team but he lack durability and his injuries are because due to inherent knock knee--which can't be cured.
We paid a guy a higher salary than wall yet this same guy does nothing but stand in a spot watching wall work his ass off to collapse the defense and once his man leaves him all does is catch a pass from wall after wall expends tremendous energy on the play lbeating his man and forcing beal's defender to leave him wide open. Beal then drains and wide open non contested shot. he then demands a higher salary to management over the guy who basically sacrificed his knees just so beal could get an open shot. what's worse, beal is knocked knee--- meaning his athleticism for lateral movement is tremendously reduced. knock knee athletes get injured quickly moving laterally. We pay this guy 100 plus because he keeps his shooting motion similar to ray allen's. He has never had a history of being elite at making contested jumpers. we pay the guy 100 plus million even after he has proven time and time again that he is guaranteed to injury his knock knees if his knee has to endure any extended wear and tear. Just poor planning due to not having former players who were two way elite basketball players in their hey day making decisions. all fault goes to TED for keeping status quote. Hopefully Ted makes a change and get klay thompson for warriors.

None of these players has the explosiveness and coordination to consistent create separation with the ball to get off clean releases or draw fouls.
Yes klay thompson does have post game (beal and porter don't) and no klay isn't creating separation out of the perimete (beal gets injured trying to execute foot coordinated moves because he is knock knee!!!) but he has dropped 240 three pointers. Name a wizard player that ernie has brought in that is even even remotely close to this.
On draft night I vouched for us to get drummond--elite rebounder, on draft night i vouched for us to get steven adamssdominant physical presence--tough enforcers ---runs floor and doesn't get injured--(over porter. Now we have a team that doesn't have a physically dominant presence on the court and has no heart. We draft a non athletic undersized guard. What does ernie say in offseason, beal has grow inch. This team's leadership steal has no concept of what makes a player dominant 5 years down the line. Any one that lopoked at beal's knee alighment --his knees touch each other has he walks which means he can't turn a high speeds without injury, look at his basic shooting mechanics means ...his coordination for shooting is very stiff suggesting he won't be good at floaters or shooting while moving in the air which has turned out to be case and he has poor lateral movement when going through bodies on defense. all of this could have been diagnosed during 60 minute work out session but when your decision maker isn't even remotely aware of these concepts, then he is no different than a person who sales his stock after the price declines. We need a GM who can read all of the signs well in advance of a stock's price decline and either buy when the stock is very cheap, or sell the stock when the stock has sharply declined. a prime example is whiteside. Heat picked up a franchise player when his stock price was extremely low. EG had the choice of picking andre drummond or mcgee. It is clear as day that if EG had any real talent and was in the top 10 percent of talent skill evaluation, that he would have picked drummond. He picked peter ramos, he picked vesely over leonard, he traded the pick that would have had curry coming off the bench.
EG is Bruce Allen and we need Scot G. McCloughan--level talent evaluator. is the general manager for the Washington Redskins. How does Ted get this guy. Clearly over paying and offering the talent evaluator for Golden State Warriors and offering him a higest salary in league as GM for your team.
My priority as owner would be to make the player of personnel for Golden state the GM of my team and make him an offer he can't refuse. I would also look at whobver was responsible for whiteside, the executive who orchestrated the k. leonard deal.
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back to trade.. trade entire team outside of wall to get klay thompson, his skill sets, age, lack of injury history, and taking bigs shots are absolutely what we need. Can't trust EG to get this guy. Eg has a history of getting injured players, on players who can't impose their will on the game. I would give two future first for klay thompson right now and since the wizards suck right neow, the pick is valuable. Once wizards start getting on winning streak, pick won't be valuable. OUr GM needs to gamble with the pick which is at its highest point and make it unprotected --the other GM is taking a gamble of getting the next michael jordan but wizards get a shore thing with allstar klay thompson, who is being castrated with Durant's longterm presence.

[nate33]

I just want Beal gone.

Interesting.

I don't feel that way at all. I just want Beal to play better. He has sucked so far this year, but it's a small sample size. There's no reason to think he'll be worse than last year, and last year's Beal was a decent player - a legit starter, though not an above-average one. I'd surely include Beal as salary ballast in any type of blockbuster trade since he is now on a negative value contract, but I feel no urgency to unload him as the specific goal of any trade.

The bottom line is that we're a crappy team with or without him. If we dump him, it's not like the money saved will give us any significant cap flexibility. Otto's new contract will suck up any cap room. And it's not like free agents want to come here anyhow.

We are stuck on our current path for the next 3-4 years. It's not really even feasible to blow this thing up.

[nate33]

There is now way golden state can go forward with durant and thompson together.

?

Golden State has won 8 of their last 9. Their average margin of victory in those 8 games is 15 points. I think they can continue forward with Durant and Klay together just fine.

[WizarDynasty]

I just want Beal gone.

Interesting.

I don't feel that way at all. I just want Beal to play better. He has sucked so far this year, but it's a small sample size. There's no reason to think he'll be worse than last year, and last year's Beal was a decent player - a legit starter, though not an above-average one. I'd surely include Beal as salary ballast in any type of blockbuster trade since he is now on a negative value contract, but I feel no urgency tlo unload him as the specific goal of any trade.

The bottom line is that we're a crappy team with or without him. If we dump him, it's not like the money saved will give us any significant cap flexibility. Otto's new contract will suck up any cap room. And it's not like free agents want to come here anyhow.

We are stuck on our current path for the next 3-4 years. It's not really even feasible to blow this thing up.

Beal is knocked Knee. It is a permanent problem that management had no insight on in terms of longterm health. It is the reason for all for all of his injuries and why he will never be able to sustain long term health executing athletic moves. To much torsion in his knees. He is really best for standing in one spot and shooting. As games pile on his knees are not built for lateral movement and his ankles are knees can't react quickly. He cites numerous injuries to hamstring or ankles but this is the true problem and its not going away because he has finished growing. Your knees develop based on activities you did as a kid. Beal probably didn't play as a guard most of his life and he didn't do alot of lateral movement or his knees would not have developed this way. Basketball was probably his second choice in life. Not the case for our true leader john wall. Look at his knees.


if beal tries to do the stance that wall does in the pick and then attempt to move laterally, it's guaranteed that his knees will get injured because he is knocked knee. wall is opposite of knock knee.
EG because he is clueless about this concept fills the roster with knocked knee players and pays them the max. Wizards are bottom dwellers for a decade because of final decision maker doesn't veto bad moves.

[montestewart]

It's just like EG, first he's all in for bowlegged players, then suddenly he's got a knock kneed jones. He's probably scouting murderball games as we write.

[nate33]

Has Beal actually had any knee trouble? He's had stress fracture issues, and now a strained hamstring. But has his knee been a big problem?

[Ruzious]

Classic WizNas. Compelling - even if I didn't buy into it at all.

It's actually the 3 legged players that tend to get hamstrung with various issues.

[AFM]

We should all post photos of our knees, so WizD can give us his opinion

[WizarDynasty]

We should all post photos of our knees, so WizD can give us his opinion

lol if your knees are inside your ankle joints, you are probably knock knee. It's not really that hard to figure out.

[payitforward]

Treadmill team? No, we're a "slipped in the treadmill and flew off the back" team.

We are on pace to win 18 games.

As much as we have sucked lately, I don't think we're THAT bad. We'd have at least 1 more win if Wall could play in back-to-backs (which, presumably will be the case for most of the year). And that Memphis game should have been a win. I think we're still a pretty sure bet to win 30+ games, and probably more like 35.

Does this signal a lowering of your apathy level, nate?

Note when we played Memphis they were w/o one of their best players -- Chandler Parsons. And w/o Brandan Wright as well, I believe.

Still, I agree we're not as bad as 2-7 would indicate. OTOH, we're 2-3 at home and 0-4 on the road. In truth that projects to 16.4 wins not 18. Yikes.

edit: admittedly Wright being unavailable had little effect, given that he plays for another team. (duh)
double-edit: double duh -- Wright does play for Memphis. He was not available, and he's still injured.