Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII

[NatP4]

Not much reason to trade Evans if you take on 4 years of Nicholson in the deal. Unless we gave a R1 pick. But doing that for an expiring contract.... No thanks.

Terrence Jones is pretty bad. Coming out of Kentucky, I thought he was a lock to be a good NBA player. I was wrong.

Yeah I agree. A Tyreke rental isn't worth a 1st. I like him as a player though. For a 2nd? Maybe

I mean You could justify giving a 2019 top 20 protected pick for him maybe. kind of the same deal the caves gave for korver.

but do the pels take on 4 years of Andrew Nicholson and lose the expiring contract of Tyreke in exchange for a 2019 top 20 protected 1st? Doubt it. And does giving away firsts of any kind, for a 3 month rental really make sense if it's not a high caliber starter? Not sure.

I really think we should target Barton with Trey Burke and a 2nd rounder. I really want Burke gone so it forces Brooks to play Satoransky.

Brooks essentially said in a quote "i want to play Satoransky 8-12 minutes a game which is good for a rookie" this is terrible reasoning, Sato is 25 and has played professional basketball for years. Burke is only 23 LOL, and he's trash.

I could very easily see a trade that moves someone other than Burke for a scorer, then Brooks allows that scorer to eat into Oubre and Satoranskys minutes, also when Mahinmi is back, Brooks probably plays Jason smith at power forward, which is a disaster. Then our bench is suddenly worse.

Burke
Random scorer that can't defend
Oubre (and random 3 guard lineups instead of playing Oubre)
Smith (can't defend smaller players at all)
Mahinmi

How does that compare to:

Satoransky
Barton
Oubre
Keef/Porter
Mahinmi

HUGE DIFFERENCE

[gambitx777]

Yeah I agree. A Tyreke rental isn't worth a 1st. I like him as a player though. For a 2nd? Maybe

I mean You could justify giving a 2019 top 20 protected pick for him maybe. kind of the same deal the caves gave for korver.

but do the pels take on 4 years of Andrew Nicholson and lose the expiring contract of Tyreke in exchange for a 2019 top 20 protected 1st? Doubt it. And does giving away firsts of any kind, for a 3 month rental really make sense if it's not a high caliber starter? Not sure.

I really think we should target Barton with Trey Burke and a 2nd rounder. I really want Burke gone so it forces Brooks to play Satoransky.

Brooks essentially said in a quote "i want to play Satoransky 8-12 minutes a game which is good for a rookie" this is terrible reasoning, Sato is 25 and has played professional basketball for years. Burke is only 23 LOL, and he's trash.

I could very easily see a trade that moves someone other than Burke for a scorer, then Brooks allows that scorer to eat into Oubre and Satoranskys minutes, also when Mahinmi is back, Brooks probably plays Jason smith at power forward, which is a disaster. Then our bench is suddenly worse.

Burke
Random scorer that can't defend
Oubre (and random 3 guard lineups instead of playing Oubre)
Smith (can't defend smaller players at all)
Mahinmi

How does that compare to:

Satoransky
Barton
Oubre
Keef/Porter
Mahinmi

HUGE DIFFERENCE

I did not say that they would take it, I just said you could justify doing it. Yeah im all for burke for barton. I would rather do nicholson and 2 seconds one for barton and one to take the contract, is a fair deal considering they have 2 guards and wings out the ass. Now I think A mahinmi for jeff green trade is coming. it makes sense and if orlando can find a home for one of its other centers, which they might. it really makes all the sens in the work to unload mahinmi for an expiring back up stretch 4 that we can resign on a much cheaper deal, even if we need to unload a future first to do it. I liked the 3 team deal with wiz orlando and the grizz idea i posted a few pages back but dumping mahinmi for an expiring bench player that a team wants to move makes sense if you can then go out and find another center. Yes smith has been doing fine, but if you can get a larry saunders off the street, or a nurkic from denver for cheap, then swing a deal for barton or lou williams you fixed the bench. Honestly Lou is better fit to play next to tomas but barton also fits well with him too. You need to just start forcing tomas to play, do with him what they did in eurpoe, They would run him with a combo guard with handles so you had two point guards with tomas being the primary handler, they on D you swing him over and let him guard the bigger guard. Tomas can play he just needs confidence, tell the man, you are our guy, here's 20 minutes a game lest see what you can do son. and it would allow you to play wall 30-35 minutes a game and not 40+ a night. Got to protect his knees.

[nate33]

I'm going to repeat this again because it doesn't seem to sink through:

Nicholson's contract is so incredibly bad that it offsets whatever value our 1st round pick would get back in a trade. Packaging the two together gets us little better than a replacement caliber player. We are much better off just drafting a player and swallowing Nicholson's contract. At least then, we'll have the potential upside of our draft pick turning out to be competent or perhaps really good.

[gambitx777]

I'm going to repeat this again because it doesn't seem to sink through:

Nicholson's contract is so incredibly bad that it offsets whatever value our 1st round pick would get back in a trade. Packaging the two together gets us little better than a replacement caliber player. We are much better off just drafting a player and swallowing Nicholson's contract. At least then, we'll have the potential upside of our draft pick turning out to be competent or perhaps really good.

And I am saying that the market is proving you wrong,
Nicholsons contract is only 6 mill a year its not bad, he could be useful in some systems maybe. But the deal is not bad, he is.
Plumlee got traded, he was putting up similar numbers and playing just as badly for the bucks and he was moved for 2 expirings and no picks were used to move him. Nicholson can be moved, the market says so.

[deneem4]

Kyle o'quinn can be our draymond...

15/13/3ast/3blocks 54% TS per 36 (also shot 27% on 3s 1 season)
114/105 ratings

With that being said 2 trades to make it happen

Top 20 pro 17 1st for oquinn
Don't be mad at me for this next 1

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jlhwxs2

And New York get our 2nd

[nate33]

I'm going to repeat this again because it doesn't seem to sink through:

Nicholson's contract is so incredibly bad that it offsets whatever value our 1st round pick would get back in a trade. Packaging the two together gets us little better than a replacement caliber player. We are much better off just drafting a player and swallowing Nicholson's contract. At least then, we'll have the potential upside of our draft pick turning out to be competent or perhaps really good.

And I am saying that the market is proving you wrong,
Nicholsons contract is only 6 mill a year its not bad, he could be useful in some systems maybe. But the deal is not bad, he is.
Plumlee got traded, he was putting up similar numbers and playing just as badly for the bucks and he was moved for 2 expirings and no picks were used to move him. Nicholson can be moved, the market says so.

Plumlee is a heck of a lot better than Nicholson. He had a bad half a season this year, but last year, he averaged 13, 10 and 2 (per 36) while playing good D. Nicholson can't even get on the floor because his horrific defense absolutely cripples the scheme.

[deneem4]

Kyle o'quinn can be our draymond...

15/13/3ast/3blocks 54% TS per 36 (also shot 27% on 3s 1 season)
114/105 ratings

With that being said 2 trades to make it happen

Top 20 pro 17 1st for oquinn
Don't be mad at me for this next 1

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jlhwxs2

And New York get our 2nd

[TGW]

Kyle o'quinn can be our draymond...

[gambitx777]

I'm going to repeat this again because it doesn't seem to sink through:

Nicholson's contract is so incredibly bad that it offsets whatever value our 1st round pick would get back in a trade. Packaging the two together gets us little better than a replacement caliber player. We are much better off just drafting a player and swallowing Nicholson's contract. At least then, we'll have the potential upside of our draft pick turning out to be competent or perhaps really good.

And I am saying that the market is proving you wrong,
Nicholsons contract is only 6 mill a year its not bad, he could be useful in some systems maybe. But the deal is not bad, he is.
Plumlee got traded, he was putting up similar numbers and playing just as badly for the bucks and he was moved for 2 expirings and no picks were used to move him. Nicholson can be moved, the market says so.

Plumlee is a heck of a lot better than Nicholson. He had a bad half a season this year, but last year, he averaged 13, 10 and 2 (per 36) while playing good D. Nicholson can't even get on the floor because his horrific defense absolutely cripples the scheme.

NIcholson had a good season last year, Plumlee is a far worse contract and he got traded for nothing.

[pcbothwel]

And I am saying that the market is proving you wrong,
Nicholsons contract is only 6 mill a year its not bad, he could be useful in some systems maybe. But the deal is not bad, he is.
Plumlee got traded, he was putting up similar numbers and playing just as badly for the bucks and he was moved for 2 expirings and no picks were used to move him. Nicholson can be moved, the market says so.

Plumlee is a heck of a lot better than Nicholson. He had a bad half a season this year, but last year, he averaged 13, 10 and 2 (per 36) while playing good D. Nicholson can't even get on the floor because his horrific defense absolutely cripples the scheme.

NIcholson had a good season last year, Plumlee is a far worse contract and he got traded for nothing.

I think Calderon, Stuckey, etc. could all be possibilities.

Nicholson, Burke for Dudley is also interesting. We get a better player and cut a year of Nicholson, while Suns save 3M each of the next two years

[NatP4]

We should totally get in on the Darren Collison sweepstakes. Really good player, picture perfect fit.

[deneem4]

Kyle o'quinn can be our draymond...

Why not hes an underrated passer
A really good rim protecter him and draymond has the same ts% rating and up until the last 2 years he has a better passing rating...when he actually shot 3s he hit a few of them....we don't need him much on the offensive end but he's had a career of being a better passer than morris and he's cheap

[pcbothwel]

We should totally get in on the Darren Collison sweepstakes. Really good player, picture perfect fit.

I send them Burke, Thornton and our 2nd. They immediately save 1M and get a 2nd.

Collison is basically identical to Burke in that they are both scoring PG's that dont play much D and shoot the 3 quite well. However, Collison doesnt turn it over quite as much and takes to the hoop instead of Burkes long two's. He also does much better at the rim and draws fouls.

I dont really see the Kings getting a much better offer seeing as the Kings would probably want a PG in return to burn minutes...

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Top 5 protected 2018 pick and Smith, Nicholson for Faried?

I think it's best to target our backup 2 issue via this draft. As much as I would like to add Lou or Barton, they have short contracts and will be too expensive to extend.

The Nuggets have two firsts this year so I don't think they'd mind being patient to get our first next year rather than this year. On our end, I think Smith only works well for us as a backup C. I've liked his play a lot lately but when Ian gets back he won't be getting center minutes anymore.

Faried would be worth next years pick I think. Contractually its good. He's only 27 and we'd have him for the remainder of this year and the next two years. Admittedly there's a bit of recency factor inspiring this trade--I didn't enjoy at all watching us get knocked around on the glass by Tristan last night. When Kieff went out, we didn't have another athletic finisher/glass cleaner to replace him. With the way Brooks is coaching now, he's working really hard with his staggering of lineups to hide the bench woes. I think Faried would make his job a lot easier.

Keep Smith.

Make it Burke or other filler, and this seems really good.

[bealwithit]

Top 5 protected 2018 pick and Smith, Nicholson for Faried?

Keep Smith.

Make it Burke or other filler, and this seems really good.

Definitely like this idea. Keeps this year's draft in play, while improving the PF spot even more. Still doesn't fix our backup guard issue, but a decent guard would be easier to find in the draft where our 2017 pick will be vs a PF who could contribute in a meaningful way next season. Not sure if that's the package Denver would be looking for though. And I'd have to think if someone dangled another (presumably higher than ours) 2017 1st in Denver's face, they'd take that deal.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Top 5 protected 2018 pick and Smith, Nicholson for Faried?

Keep Smith.

Make it Burke or other filler, and this seems really good.

Definitely like this idea. Keeps this year's draft in play, while improving the PF spot even more. Still doesn't fix our backup guard issue, but a decent guard would be easier to find in the draft where our 2017 pick will be vs a PF who could contribute in a meaningful way next season. Not sure if that's the package Denver would be looking for though. And I'd have to think if someone dangled another (presumably higher than ours) 2017 1st in Denver's face, they'd take that deal.

I think the best way to get a PG is just to reward a D-League player or an international player who has an out clause.

Here's Yogi Ferrell's D-League stats: http://www.basketball-reference.com/dleague/players/f/ferreyo01d.html

He's been even better in the NBA: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/ferreyo01.html

It's not that hard to find a scrappy PG or combo PG/SG from the D-League.

These are the names of D-League teams. Those who have time can scour rosters like I have in the past:

Austin Spurs
Northern Arizona Suns
Canton Charge
Delaware 87ers
Erie BayHawks
Fort Wayne Mad Ants
Salt Lake City Stars
Iowa Energy
Long Island Nets
Los Angeles D-Fenders
Maine Red Claws
Raptors 905
Reno Bighorns
Rio Grande Valley Vipers
Santa Cruz Warriors
Sioux Falls Skyforce
Grand Rapids Drive
Greensboro Swarm
Texas Legends
Oklahoma City Blue
Windy City Bulls
Westchester Knicks

EARLY RESULTS (Just a cursory glance): RAY MCCALLUM



http://www.basketball-reference.com/dleague/players/m/mccalra01d.html

I recall, he played for his dad at Detroit Mercy. This guy is BETTER than Yogi Ferrell, because he's a strong defender. I loved him in college. With the Kings he didn't fare well. However, he's balling in D-League.

Ray McCallum had my attention just about as much as C.J. McCollum, when he was at Lehigh. Similar names. Same position pretty much.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

MY BAD: TOO LATE

http://dleague.nba.com/news/hornets-sign-ray-mccallum-10-day-contract/

Hornets Call Up Ray McCallum from Grand Rapids Drive

Official Release | February 3, 2017
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February 3, 2017 – Charlotte Hornets General Manager Rich Cho announced today that the team has signed guard Ray McCallum to a 10-day contract. McCallum joins the Hornets from the NBA Development League’s Grand Rapids Drive, becoming the 17th Gatorade Call-Up this season. The Hornets roster now stands at 15 players.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Guys, watch that guy. If he doesn't stick with the Hornets; I;m sure he's an upgrade at backup PG for the Wizards...

[gambitx777]

Mahinmi and a 2017 second round picks and a 2017 first for Faried and barton works. and they might bite on it because they really need a defensive anchor center.

[NatP4]

It would be hilarious if SAC accepted this, but:

Collison+Skal for Nicholson+2017 1st round pick.