Political Roundtable Part XXV

stilldropin20 · Post #601 » by **stilldropin20** » Sun Mar 17, 2019 3:59 am

Pointgod wrote:
Wizardspride wrote:[gfycat][/gfycat]
stilldropin20 wrote:
so you 2 are dumb enough to beleive that a 70 year old man sat in solitary confinement for 10 months just to save T4rump??

Actually, that's not what we're saying....

Forget it Wiz. It’s Crazytown.....

do yourselves a favor. lock yourselves up for a weekend in your own closet and eat 3 bologna and cheese sandwiches per day. 2 slices of wonderbread. 1 slice of cheese. 1 slice of bologna. while your in there...imagine being their for the rest of your life. Imagine your home confiscated. and every penny in the back...try to pretend your 70 years old. with a few years left to live...maybe 2 at most in prison.

and then think about how badly you would fear "death from the russians."

fact is, I dont think you would fear death at all. I think you would gladly welcome it over rotting in solitary confinement. and most importantly, If you could give up both the "russians" and trump to walk you would gladly do it. And Mueller would let him walk out tomorrow if he could give up trump and the russians. In fact Mueller would even give him one of his houses back and at least 1 million of the $11 million they confiscated.

And if manaforte got to live 6 months on the outside and spend his last million instead of rotting in jail he would do it in heart beat. And anyone whoever spent a weekend or more in jail knows it...especially if you're looking at 10 months solitary and 7 years general population that would amount to the rest of his life.

fact is, manaforte committed crimes before trump. and he's now in jail. but he just doesn't have the evidence to tie anyone up with collusion/conspiracy or he would have already sung.

And dont give me the waiting for a trump "pardon" crap cuz he's still looking at 6-10 on state charges. If he could give up anyone he would have...especially russians.

Wizardspride · Post #602 » by **Wizardspride** » Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:50 pm

stilldropin20 wrote:
Pointgod wrote:
Wizardspride wrote:[gfycat][/gfycat]
Actually, that's not what we're saying....

Forget it Wiz. It’s Crazytown.....

do yourselves a favor. lock yourselves up for a weekend in your own closet and eat 3 bologna and cheese sandwiches per day. 2 slices of wonderbread. 1 slice of cheese. 1 slice of bologna. while your in there...imagine being their for the rest of your life. Imagine your home confiscated. and every penny in the back...try to pretend your 70 years old. with a few years left to live...maybe 2 at most in prison.

and then think about how badly you would fear "death from the russians."

fact is, I dont think you would fear death at all. I think you would gladly welcome it over rotting in solitary confinement. and most importantly, If you could give up both the "russians" and trump to walk you would gladly do it. And Mueller would let him walk out tomorrow if he could give up trump and the russians. In fact Mueller would even give him one of his houses back and at least 1 million of the $11 million they confiscated.

And if manaforte got to live 6 months on the outside and spend his last million instead of rotting in jail he would do it in heart beat. And anyone whoever spent a weekend or more in jail knows it...especially if you're looking at 10 months solitary and 7 years general population that would amount to the rest of his life.

fact is, manaforte committed crimes before trump. and he's now in jail. but he just doesn't have the evidence to tie anyone up with collusion/conspiracy or he would have already sung.

And dont give me the waiting for a trump "pardon" crap cuz he's still looking at 6-10 on state charges. If he could give up anyone he would have...especially russians.

You're still not grasping what we're saying.

You may be right: No collusion/conspiracy etc

Another possibility is that Manafort knows what happens to people who cross the Russian mob/Russian intelligence.

Either scenario is possible....

Pointgod · Post #603 » by **Pointgod** » Sun Mar 17, 2019 3:49 pm

Wizardspride wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote:
Pointgod wrote:
Forget it Wiz. It’s Crazytown.....

do yourselves a favor. lock yourselves up for a weekend in your own closet and eat 3 bologna and cheese sandwiches per day. 2 slices of wonderbread. 1 slice of cheese. 1 slice of bologna. while your in there...imagine being their for the rest of your life. Imagine your home confiscated. and every penny in the back...try to pretend your 70 years old. with a few years left to live...maybe 2 at most in prison.

and then think about how badly you would fear "death from the russians."

fact is, I dont think you would fear death at all. I think you would gladly welcome it over rotting in solitary confinement. and most importantly, If you could give up both the "russians" and trump to walk you would gladly do it. And Mueller would let him walk out tomorrow if he could give up trump and the russians. In fact Mueller would even give him one of his houses back and at least 1 million of the $11 million they confiscated.

And if manaforte got to live 6 months on the outside and spend his last million instead of rotting in jail he would do it in heart beat. And anyone whoever spent a weekend or more in jail knows it...especially if you're looking at 10 months solitary and 7 years general population that would amount to the rest of his life.

fact is, manaforte committed crimes before trump. and he's now in jail. but he just doesn't have the evidence to tie anyone up with collusion/conspiracy or he would have already sung.

And dont give me the waiting for a trump "pardon" crap cuz he's still looking at 6-10 on state charges. If he could give up anyone he would have...especially russians.

You're still not grasping what we're saying.

You may be right: No collusion/conspiracy etc

Another possibility is that Manafort knows what happens to people who cross the Russian mob/Russian intelligence.

Either scenario is possible....

Actually we know that Manafort gave a Russian agent polling data that wasn’t public. This is a indisputable fact. We have to ask, what did he think Russia would do with that data? Also if all these guys weren’t colluding with Russia in some form why all the lying?

TGW · Post #604 » by **TGW** » Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:12 pm

Why is mainstream media trying to show Beto o’rourke as a hacker a good thing? Especially in the day and age where hacking is basically used as a form of cyber terrorism. It’s like they’re choosing when it’s a good thing and when it’s bad...ridiculous.

Pointgod · Post #605 » by **Pointgod** » Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:47 pm

TGW wrote:Why is mainstream media trying to show Beto o’rourke as a hacker a good thing? Especially in the day and age where hacking is basically used as a form of cyber terrorism. It’s like they’re choosing when it’s a good thing and when it’s bad...ridiculous.

You can’t be serious.........

stilldropin20 · Post #606 » by **stilldropin20** » Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:23 pm

Wizardspride wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote:
Pointgod wrote:
Forget it Wiz. It’s Crazytown.....

do yourselves a favor. lock yourselves up for a weekend in your own closet and eat 3 bologna and cheese sandwiches per day. 2 slices of wonderbread. 1 slice of cheese. 1 slice of bologna. while your in there...imagine being their for the rest of your life. Imagine your home confiscated. and every penny in the back...try to pretend your 70 years old. with a few years left to live...maybe 2 at most in prison.

and then think about how badly you would fear "death from the russians."

fact is, I dont think you would fear death at all. I think you would gladly welcome it over rotting in solitary confinement. and most importantly, If you could give up both the "russians" and trump to walk you would gladly do it. And Mueller would let him walk out tomorrow if he could give up trump and the russians. In fact Mueller would even give him one of his houses back and at least 1 million of the $11 million they confiscated.

And if manaforte got to live 6 months on the outside and spend his last million instead of rotting in jail he would do it in heart beat. And anyone whoever spent a weekend or more in jail knows it...especially if you're looking at 10 months solitary and 7 years general population that would amount to the rest of his life.

fact is, manaforte committed crimes before trump. and he's now in jail. but he just doesn't have the evidence to tie anyone up with collusion/conspiracy or he would have already sung.

And dont give me the waiting for a trump "pardon" crap cuz he's still looking at 6-10 on state charges. If he could give up anyone he would have...especially russians.

You're still not grasping what we're saying.

You may be right: No collusion/conspiracy etc

Another possibility is that Manafort knows what happens to people who cross the Russian mob/Russian intelligence.

Either scenario is possible....

well...we pretty much know Mueller does NOT have anyone on collusion/conspiracy. We KNOW this. It may take time for some on the left to accept it...but every single reasonable person knew there was no collusion/conspiracy on january 20th 2017. Because there is NO WAY a sitting US president could allow a colluder with a foreign government to take office. Congress would have been in immediate session to impeach trump way back then...before he even took office (so long as the FBI/CIA/NSA could prove it).

And all of our intelligence agencies could not prove it. So instead they chose to bludgeon trump daily with lies that he "could have colluded" and that he needed to be investigated. Any reasonable person also knows that the entire "investigation" was never intended to prove trump colluded or conspired to collude. Because they already knew their was no evidence of any of that. Instead...the purpose of the investigation was to control Trump. Force Trump to either side with GOP or DNC or face impeachment. The only reason Trump was NOT impeached in 2017 was because the GOP realized he was an "honest" politician. (I use the term "honest" in that he set out to fulfill his campaign promises). <--And frankly, thats the only kind of honesty that matters...that any politician does what they say they were going to do while campaigning.

In the end, there was no collusion. No conspiracy.

was manaforte conspiring on his own? perhaps? But if he was there would be evidence. And the fact is that manaforte was fired after 2 months on the job. kellyann conway and corey lewandowski and sebastion gorka and Reince preibus and jared Kushner and the brietbart guy took trump to the dance. and through the finish line. <--all of them have been fully investigated...and serve this white house to this day!!!

Cohen has fully cooperated. FULLY!! and per cohen: "no collusion."

So the collusion thing...as trump has said since day one was a hoax. And in essence a witchhunt.

That witchhunt is landing Cohen and Manaforte in jail for crimes they committed years ago and have nothing at all to do with Trump. And Cohen is doing what anyone would do that (might have something...anything on trump)!! He's singing!! As loud as he can.

So why isn't manaforte singing??? And there's only one possible explanation that is also reasonable: He has NO DIRT on TRUMP NOR the RUSSIANS. Because if he did, the US governement would happily give him immunity, a new identity, and allow him to keep a lot of his money. The obama holdovers and all the democrats that Mueller assigned to the collusion investigation FBI wanted russia BADLY. Instead he is sitting not only in jail, but in solitary confinement for 10 straight months. If you dont know what that does to a man's health and body then i challenge you to sit in your closet for 2 days. Dont leave your closet. Have your wife or GF bring you 3 glasses of water and 3 bologna choke sandwiches. No TV. No internet. No human interaction. Just you and your thoughts. And in your thoughts try to imagine going from worth $40 million and now having nothing. And try to imagine spending the rest of your life there. If you dont think that you would give up "the russians" in heartbeat? Or trump? then you are a liar.

and thats what this whole collusion thing has been. Not only a lie but a lie of the worst kind. I lie i saw right through from day 1. a lie that half the country saw through and the other half was desperate to be true...just to undue an election. If we ever allow anything like this to occur again then this aint a democracy. This aint justice. Our elections dont mean a thing. Justice doesn't mean a thing. Because I argue that NO MAN nor woman besides donald trump would have been able to surivive this lie as long as he did before exposing the entire thing for the lie that it is. The hoax that it is. The witchhunt that it is.

The good news is we're at the end now. It's all unravelling. But the poeple who spread these lies from there soap boxes and comfortable perches need to be held accountable. They need to face the scrutiny that Trump campaign and family faced. They need their offices raided. Their homes raided. And all the dirt dug up on them. If they committed bank fraud 10 years ago? They need to go sit in solitary confinement for 10 months and made to sing about whatever it is they know about others to save their own skin. The tide has slowly turned. But alas it has finally turned. Thank God almighty, the tide has turned.

stilldropin20 · Post #607 » by **stilldropin20** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:01 am

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closg00 · Post #608 » by **closg00** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:50 am

stilldropin20 wrote:well...we pretty much know Mueller does NOT have anyone on collusion/conspiracy. We KNOW this. It may take time for some on the left to accept it...but every single reasonable person knew there was no collusion/conspiracy on january 20th 2017. Because there is NO WAY a sitting US president could allow a colluder with a foreign government to take office. Congress would have been in immediate session to impeach trump way back then...before he even took office (so long as the FBI/CIA/NSA could prove it).

And all of our intelligence agencies could not prove it. So instead they chose to bludgeon trump daily with lies that he "could have colluded" and that he needed to be investigated. Any reasonable person also knows that the entire "investigation" was never intended to prove trump colluded or conspired to collude. Because they already knew their was no evidence of any of that. Instead...the purpose of the investigation was to control Trump. Force Trump to either side with GOP or DNC or face impeachment. The only reason Trump was NOT impeached in 2017 was because the GOP realized he was an "honest" politician. (I use the term "honest" in that he set out to fulfill his campaign promises). <--And frankly, thats the only kind of honesty that matters...that any politician does what they say they were going to do while campaigning.

In the end, there was no collusion. No conspiracy.

was manaforte conspiring on his own? perhaps? But if he was there would be evidence. And the fact is that manaforte was fired after 2 months on the job. kellyann conway and corey lewandowski and sebastion gorka and Reince preibus and jared Kushner and the brietbart guy took trump to the dance. and through the finish line. <--all of them have been fully investigated...and serve this white house to this day!!!

Cohen has fully cooperated. FULLY!! and per cohen: "no collusion."

So the collusion thing...as trump has said since day one was a hoax. And in essence a witchhunt.

That witchhunt is landing Cohen and Manaforte in jail for crimes they committed years ago and have nothing at all to do with Trump. And Cohen is doing what anyone would do that (might have something...anything on trump)!! He's singing!! As loud as he can.

So why isn't manaforte singing??? And there's only one possible explanation that is also reasonable: He has NO DIRT on TRUMP NOR the RUSSIANS. Because if he did, the US governement would happily give him immunity, a new identity, and allow him to keep a lot of his money. The obama holdovers and all the democrats that Mueller assigned to the collusion investigation FBI wanted russia BADLY. Instead he is sitting not only in jail, but in solitary confinement for 10 straight months. If you dont know what that does to a man's health and body then i challenge you to sit in your closet for 2 days. Dont leave your closet. Have your wife or GF bring you 3 glasses of water and 3 bologna choke sandwiches. No TV. No internet. No human interaction. Just you and your thoughts. And in your thoughts try to imagine going from worth $40 million and now having nothing. And try to imagine spending the rest of your life there. If you dont think that you would give up "the russians" in heartbeat? Or trump? then you are a liar.

and thats what this whole collusion thing has been. Not only a lie but a lie of the worst kind. I lie i saw right through from day 1. a lie that half the country saw through and the other half was desperate to be true...just to undue an election. If we ever allow anything like this to occur again then this aint a democracy. This aint justice. Our elections dont mean a thing. Justice doesn't mean a thing. Because I argue that NO MAN nor woman besides donald trump would have been able to surivive this lie as long as he did before exposing the entire thing for the lie that it is. The hoax that it is. The witchhunt that it is.

The good news is we're at the end now. It's all unravelling. But the poeple who spread these lies from there soap boxes and comfortable perches need to be held accountable. They need to face the scrutiny that Trump campaign and family faced. They need their offices raided. Their homes raided. And all the dirt dug up on them. If they committed bank fraud 10 years ago? They need to go sit in solitary confinement for 10 months and made to sing about whatever it is they know about others to save their own skin. The tide has slowly turned. But alas it has finally turned. Thank God almighty, the tide has turned.

You fire hose inaccuracies and assume conclusions not arrived at to-date, so I'll respond to just a couple of things.

1. We absolutely do not know either way if Mueller has anyone on collusion, dozens of sealed indictments have been added to the federal court docket and Rick Gates and Michael Flynn continue to cooperate with Mueller.

2. You're completely wrong about Manafort, you conveniently left-out the part about Manafort pretending to cooperate about what he knew about Russian collusion, then LYING to prosecutors. Manafort did not (for example) explain to prosecutors why he provided internal polling data to someone tied to Russian intelligence, Konstantin Kilimnik. Yeah, he kept his mouth shut on that and everything else, he gave Mueller nothing when he could have chosen to cooperate fully.

That's all the debunking I have time for today. Good evening.

stilldropin20 · Post #609 » by **stilldropin20** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:14 am

closg00 wrote:
stilldropin20 wrote:well...we pretty much know Mueller does NOT have anyone on collusion/conspiracy. We KNOW this. It may take time for some on the left to accept it...but every single reasonable person knew there was no collusion/conspiracy on january 20th 2017. Because there is NO WAY a sitting US president could allow a colluder with a foreign government to take office. Congress would have been in immediate session to impeach trump way back then...before he even took office (so long as the FBI/CIA/NSA could prove it).

And all of our intelligence agencies could not prove it. So instead they chose to bludgeon trump daily with lies that he "could have colluded" and that he needed to be investigated. Any reasonable person also knows that the entire "investigation" was never intended to prove trump colluded or conspired to collude. Because they already knew their was no evidence of any of that. Instead...the purpose of the investigation was to control Trump. Force Trump to either side with GOP or DNC or face impeachment. The only reason Trump was NOT impeached in 2017 was because the GOP realized he was an "honest" politician. (I use the term "honest" in that he set out to fulfill his campaign promises). <--And frankly, thats the only kind of honesty that matters...that any politician does what they say they were going to do while campaigning.

In the end, there was no collusion. No conspiracy.

was manaforte conspiring on his own? perhaps? But if he was there would be evidence. And the fact is that manaforte was fired after 2 months on the job. kellyann conway and corey lewandowski and sebastion gorka and Reince preibus and jared Kushner and the brietbart guy took trump to the dance. and through the finish line. <--all of them have been fully investigated...and serve this white house to this day!!!

Cohen has fully cooperated. FULLY!! and per cohen: "no collusion."

So the collusion thing...as trump has said since day one was a hoax. And in essence a witchhunt.

That witchhunt is landing Cohen and Manaforte in jail for crimes they committed years ago and have nothing at all to do with Trump. And Cohen is doing what anyone would do that (might have something...anything on trump)!! He's singing!! As loud as he can.

So why isn't manaforte singing??? And there's only one possible explanation that is also reasonable: He has NO DIRT on TRUMP NOR the RUSSIANS. Because if he did, the US governement would happily give him immunity, a new identity, and allow him to keep a lot of his money. The obama holdovers and all the democrats that Mueller assigned to the collusion investigation FBI wanted russia BADLY. Instead he is sitting not only in jail, but in solitary confinement for 10 straight months. If you dont know what that does to a man's health and body then i challenge you to sit in your closet for 2 days. Dont leave your closet. Have your wife or GF bring you 3 glasses of water and 3 bologna choke sandwiches. No TV. No internet. No human interaction. Just you and your thoughts. And in your thoughts try to imagine going from worth $40 million and now having nothing. And try to imagine spending the rest of your life there. If you dont think that you would give up "the russians" in heartbeat? Or trump? then you are a liar.

and thats what this whole collusion thing has been. Not only a lie but a lie of the worst kind. I lie i saw right through from day 1. a lie that half the country saw through and the other half was desperate to be true...just to undue an election. If we ever allow anything like this to occur again then this aint a democracy. This aint justice. Our elections dont mean a thing. Justice doesn't mean a thing. Because I argue that NO MAN nor woman besides donald trump would have been able to surivive this lie as long as he did before exposing the entire thing for the lie that it is. The hoax that it is. The witchhunt that it is.

The good news is we're at the end now. It's all unravelling. But the poeple who spread these lies from there soap boxes and comfortable perches need to be held accountable. They need to face the scrutiny that Trump campaign and family faced. They need their offices raided. Their homes raided. And all the dirt dug up on them. If they committed bank fraud 10 years ago? They need to go sit in solitary confinement for 10 months and made to sing about whatever it is they know about others to save their own skin. The tide has slowly turned. But alas it has finally turned. Thank God almighty, the tide has turned.

You fire hose inaccuracies and assume conclusions not arrived at to-date, so I'll respond to just a couple of things.

1. We absolutely do not know either way if Mueller has anyone on collusion, dozens of sealed indictments have been added to the federal court docket and Rick Gates and Michael Flynn continue to cooperate with Mueller.

2. You're completely wrong about Manafort, you conveniently left-out the part about Manafort pretending to cooperate about what he knew about Russian collusion, then LYING to prosecutors. Manafort did not (for example) explain to prosecutors why he provided internal polling data to someone tied to Russian intelligence, Konstantin Kilimnik. Yeah, he kept his mouth shut on that and everything else, he gave Mueller nothing when he could have chosen to cooperate fully.

That's all the debunking I have time for today. Good evening.

Are you (still) trying to say...that it is logical (on any level) to assume that a 70 year old man would choose to lose all of his wealth and end up in solitary confinement for 10 months? Embarrassed? Shamed? stripped of all his dignity? Anally probed? And eventaully thrown into general population instead of giving up what he knows about people that live on another continent????!!!!! Really? Are you stupid or just (still) being purposefully dense?

Everyone else has cooperated. Fully. even Rick Gates!!!!!!! manafortes partner!!! Why hasn't Gates been killed by the russians!!!!????

I'm sorry. But this narrative is dead. its been dead. give it up already. You were wrong. dead wrong. You could not have been anymore wrong. Are you simply embarrassed for being wrong? and just doubling down cuz (having lost your all of your credibility and dignity when you pinned all of your hopes on this collusion lie) that now you got nothing else to lose?

Here's an idea for all of the roundtable posters. Which poster here rallied around Trump "collusion" the most? Who needs special attention in this important time of collusion being debunked? Was is pointgod? was it Clogs? Was it GTN? Was it Monste? Doublows? Scotlinkin? Who pushed "collusion" the most?

I'm going with clogs. Let's put him on suicide watch when the mueller report comes out.

Disclaimer: mental health is a serious health condition that I take very serious and this post is not intended to poke fun at or minimize the real concerns that we all need to have for those that suffer from mental health issues in any way shape or form and if any poster or anyone reading this is feeling sad or disheartened to the point of triggering you into depression or any other unhealthy thoughts in the event that the Mueller report will not demonstrate russian collusion then please seek help and then go punch yourself in the fricking face multiple times until you come to the realization that you are a galactically stupid idiot for believing that trail of lies based on nothing but opposition research bought and paid for by the DNC and HRC's and Barrack Hussein Obama's personal attorney, Perkins Coie. HRC paid $10 million and Obama paid $1 million for those lies. And you were stupid enough to believe it! But...Dont be so sad. Dont be so triggered. Dont punish yourself. But pretty please. Dont be so fricking stupid either!! And I mean that from the heart baby! Frahm da hahhhhhhrt!!!!

FAH1223 · Post #610 » by **FAH1223** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:56 am

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stilldropin20 · Post #611 » by **stilldropin20** » Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:40 am

Nate and I warned about this 2 years ago. you leftist nutjob weirdos would NOT let it go! now here we are...at a place where even tulsi gabbard can see the damage the leftwing asswhipes did to the country.

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