Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVIII

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I'm not even sure if I like this, but I'm throwing it out there for consideration. It's a one step back for two steps forward type of move:

Washington trades:
Thomas Bryant
Davis Bertans

Houston trades:
Clint Capela
HOU 2020 1st

I don't think that Bryant and Wagner are a great pairing. Both are offensive-minded and neither are rim protectors. Trading one for a rim protector would significantly boost our defense. Capela is still very young and quite good. He'd also be a great rim runner alongside Wall. He's a bit expensive at roughly $17M a year but defense at the center position costs money. We also get another 1st round pick which will probably be in the 20-24 range.

I hate giving up Bertans because I really do think he can become a featured starter rather than just a 6th man. My real concern is somebody like Charlotte offering him $20M+ a year for him and us letting him walk for nothing.

Houston does this because Bertans' shooting would make them virtually unstoppable. Bryant fills in for Capela as a very good offensive roll man. He's not as good defensively, but Houston likes to play smallball with Tucker at the 5 in crunch time anyhow.

Very creative! Capela for Bryant would be quite a good return for someone you picked up off the waiver wire. & Bertans for a R1 pick would be quite a good return for someone you acquired for a TPE.

Now, on the numbers, Bryant's play last year was very nearly at the same level as Capela's -- though Capela's better defense no doubt makes the true difference greater than the numbers convey. Yet, Bryant is also 3+ years younger. While a different kind of player from Capela, Thomas Bryant has still has a ton of upside. Nor was Capela as good a player at 21 in his 2d season as Bryant was last year.

I'm much happier with the other half of the trade: as much as I like Bertans (& always have since he was a prospect out of Europe), considering where the team is at present, a R1 pick next year seems a more valuable asset than Bertans' Bird rights.

Perhaps we could also include IT, & they could also include Gary Clark? I like tilting the trade even more to the future w/o it costing us anything of value.

[Mojo Amok]

Ted pretty much said a month ago that the Wizards won't be bottom feeding for an extended period:

“We look at the world now in 10-game increments,” Leonsis said. “We’d like to see progress in those increments. Next year, we’ll have John Wall back. We’ll have a little bit of space under the salary cap. I think the NBA is very different this year than it’s been in the past, and I stick with, I think, our turnaround can be quick and fast, but we don’t have any expectations about wins and losses. It’s more about culture, identity and what players will be with us on a long-term basis.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/11/19/ted-leonsis-still-believes-wizards-turnaround-can-be-quick-already-sees-signs-life/

Just going with a plan to keep two max players under contract is more or less an admission of this as well. I highly doubt that there has ever been a team in the entire history of the league with two max money players who actually intended to be bad for any length of time. The lack of financial flexibility is just completely incompatible with the sorts maneuvers that leverage losing and low expectations into long term advantage.

[dckingsfan]

Not sure it counts as a trade but we waived Chris Chiozza and signed Anzejs Pasecniks (C). Understandable given the issues we are having in the FC.

Tough for Chris Chiozza…

[Ruzious]

I'm not even sure if I like this, but I'm throwing it out there for consideration. It's a one step back for two steps forward type of move:

Washington trades:
Thomas Bryant
Davis Bertans

Houston trades:
Clint Capela
HOU 2020 1st

I don't think that Bryant and Wagner are a great pairing. Both are offensive-minded and neither are rim protectors. Trading one for a rim protector would significantly boost our defense. Capela is still very young and quite good. He'd also be a great rim runner alongside Wall. He's a bit expensive at roughly $17M a year but defense at the center position costs money. We also get another 1st round pick which will probably be in the 20-24 range.

I hate giving up Bertans because I really do think he can become a featured starter rather than just a 6th man. My real concern is somebody like Charlotte offering him $20M+ a year for him and us letting him walk for nothing.

Houston does this because Bertans' shooting would make them virtually unstoppable. Bryant fills in for Capela as a very good offensive roll man. He's not as good defensively, but Houston likes to play smallball with Tucker at the 5 in crunch time anyhow.

Very creative! Capela for Bryant would be quite a good return for someone you picked up off the waiver wire. & Bertans for a R1 pick would be quite a good return for someone you acquired for a TPE.

Now, on the numbers, Bryant's play last year was very nearly at the same level as Capela's -- though Capela's better defense no doubt makes the true difference greater than the numbers convey. Yet, Bryant is also 3+ years younger. While a different kind of player from Capela, Thomas Bryant has still has a ton of upside. Nor was Capela as good a player at 21 in his 2d season as Bryant was last year.

I'm much happier with the other half of the trade: as much as I like Bertans (& always have since he was a prospect out of Europe), considering where the team is at present, a R1 pick next year seems a more valuable asset than Bertans' Bird rights.

Perhaps we could also include IT, & they could also include Gary Clark? I like tilting the trade even more to the future w/o it costing us anything of value.

I think I make that trade. As much as I like Bryant, Capela is a more proven commodity and a much better rebounder. And from what people are predicting about Bertan's next contract, Capela might be making less money than Bertans next season. And this is a good draft to get a 20-25 pick - bad for high lotto picks. Bertans is tons of fun to watch, but a cash-strapped team like the Wiz... I can't see us being able to afford him at potentially 20 mil a season. And yes, I think Tommy is a fool if he believes his own comments about money not being a problem in signing Bertans.

[Ruzious]

Not sure it counts as a trade but we waived Chris Chiozza and signed Anzejs Pasecniks (C). Understandable given the issues we are having in the FC.

Tough for Chris Chiozza…

He's a solid end of the bench player - hopefully he gets another opportunity or 3.

Washington does get the disabled player exception for Miles. https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/12/wizards-receive-disabled-player-exception-for-c-j-miles.html

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Ted pretty much said a month ago that the Wizards won't be bottom feeding for an extended period:

“We look at the world now in 10-game increments,” Leonsis said. “We’d like to see progress in those increments. Next year, we’ll have John Wall back. We’ll have a little bit of space under the salary cap. I think the NBA is very different this year than it’s been in the past, and I stick with, I think, our turnaround can be quick and fast, but we don’t have any expectations about wins and losses. It’s more about culture, identity and what players will be with us on a long-term basis.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/11/19/ted-leonsis-still-believes-wizards-turnaround-can-be-quick-already-sees-signs-life/

Just going with a plan to keep two max players under contract is more or less an admission of this as well. I highly doubt that there has ever been a team in the entire history of the league with two max money players who actually intended to be bad for any length of time. The lack of financial flexibility is just completely incompatible with the sorts maneuvers that leverage losing and low expectations into long term advantage.

Well... it does get to be like reading tea leaves! But, I actually read this completely differently from you.

Ted does seem to be talking about a "turnaround... quick and fast..." to be sure. But, "...we don't have ...expectations about wins and losses. It's more about culture, identity and what players will be with us on a long-term basis." I.e. what kinds of players.

As to teams that "actually intended to be bad for any length of time," I don't think there are any of those! No one intends that. But what you intend does not command the consequences of the situation you are in & the resources you have to change it.

How long we'll be "bad" & how bad depends mostly on things altogether outside Ted Leonsis's control. One big factor is how good John Wall is when he returns. But, however good he is, he's not taking us from the 8-17 team we are to a team that's contending to win the EC. However nice that would be....

Patience.

[dckingsfan]

Not sure it counts as a trade but we waived Chris Chiozza and signed Anzejs Pasecniks (C). Understandable given the issues we are having in the FC.

Tough for Chris Chiozza…

He's a solid end of the bench player - hopefully he gets another opportunity or 3.

Washington does get the disabled player exception for Miles. https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/12/wizards-receive-disabled-player-exception-for-c-j-miles.html

Use it for this?
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/256510/Trey-Burkes-Father-Makes-Plea-On-Instagram-For-76ers-To-Trade-His-Son

[gambitx777]

Not shocked. We probably should have kept him anyway. And Mathews is playing really well. Too bad we couldn't just cut miles but we just got that DPE so that explains why we kept him. I wonder if we cut miles do we still get the exception lol

Not sure it counts as a trade but we waived Chris Chiozza and signed Anzejs Pasecniks (C). Understandable given the issues we are having in the FC.

Tough for Chris Chiozza…

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[nate33]

Not shocked. We probably should have kept him anyway. And Mathews is playing really well. Too bad we couldn't just cut miles but we just got that DPE so that explains why we kept him. I wonder if we cut miles do we still get the exception lol

Not sure it counts as a trade but we waived Chris Chiozza and signed Anzejs Pasecniks (C). Understandable given the issues we are having in the FC.

Tough for Chris Chiozza…

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There is no need to cut Miles. We were given an extra roster spot in addition to the DPE.

[gambitx777]

Yeah but I was just wondering what the rules are. Like can we use him as filler in a trade now. If we do another deal that brings back three young guys for one guy can we cut him and still keep the guy we got with the DPE. Is it like nulling the extra spot if we remove him in some way or do we still get to carry an extra man

Not shocked. We probably should have kept him anyway. And Mathews is playing really well. Too bad we couldn't just cut miles but we just got that DPE so that explains why we kept him. I wonder if we cut miles do we still get the exception lol

Not sure it counts as a trade but we waived Chris Chiozza and signed Anzejs Pasecniks (C). Understandable given the issues we are having in the FC.

Tough for Chris Chiozza…

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There is no need to cut Miles. We were given an extra roster spot in addition to the DPE.

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[nate33]

Yeah but I was just wondering what the rules are. Like can we use him as filler in a trade now. If we do another deal that brings back three young guys for one guy can we cut him and still keep the guy we got with the DPE. Is it like nulling the extra spot if we remove him in some way or do we still get to carry an extra man

Not shocked. We probably should have kept him anyway. And Mathews is playing really well. Too bad we couldn't just cut miles but we just got that DPE so that explains why we kept him. I wonder if we cut miles do we still get the exception lol

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There is no need to cut Miles. We were given an extra roster spot in addition to the DPE.

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Yes, he can still be traded and his salary used as cap ballast, but that's only if we don't use the DPE. If we use it, then Miles can't be traded.

[nate33]

Perhaps we could also include IT, & they could also include Gary Clark? I like tilting the trade even more to the future w/o it costing us anything of value.

Sounds good to me!

[youngWizzy]

What's the deal with guys like Anzejs Pasceniks who can't jump 6 inches. We don't have any bigs who can jump. Just a little frustrating to add to that collection.

[gambitx777]

Well who else is out there right now? He's already been with the team. Knows the system and he's cheep I'm sure Chris going to get a check and get another deal with the gogos. It's not a swing for the fences type deal but he's a warm body and we have the for to go fishing with at the deadline .

What's the deal with guys like Anzejs Pasceniks who can't jump 6 inches. We don't have any bigs who can jump. Just a little frustrating to add to that collection.

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[trast66]

Need to work Bonga into a trade, can’t just kick our first round pick in the private parts without consequences.

[dckingsfan]

Need to work Bonga into a trade, can’t just kick our first round pick in the private parts without consequences.

I think I am keeping Bonga and Brown. Both have the potential to be solid defenders, ball handlers and 3 point shooters.

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I think I am keeping Bonga and Brown....

I'll say! Brown is already quite good -- & only 20 years old! & Bonga looks to have quite a future.

[dckingsfan]

I think I am keeping Bonga and Brown....

I'll say! Brown is already quite good -- & only 20 years old! & Bonga looks to have quite a future.

I think they are both only 20, right? Maybe some upside over the next two to three years?

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Yup -- in fact, Isaac Bonga just turned 20 in November. He's 3+ months younger than Brown.

[pcbothwel]

I think I am keeping Bonga and Brown....

I'll say! Brown is already quite good -- & only 20 years old! & Bonga looks to have quite a future.

I think they are both only 20, right? Maybe some upside over the next two to three years?

Players like Brown and Bonga are great next to Rui. They show solid creativity on offense along with length & awareness on defense. That, along with their rebounding will be allow Rui to play to his strengths.