Wiz trade 5th pick to Minnesota

[80sballboy]

Now that I've taken a deep breath, you have to know that Ernie is not that stupid. Do you think any GM would want to trade their pick for money? It's about dealing with a budget.

[dobrojim]

Go the **** away.

sit on the sidelines and keep your mouth shut if you have nothing to add little boy.

It might be best to take a time out and come back tomorrow.

My take on the Rubio... whining. Like I said before the draft lottery, the only reason to get Rubio is to trade him. He wouldn't be a good fit at all with Gil - defensively or offensively. Rubio absolutely has to have the ball in his hands to be effective. I don't picture him as a guy you want as a catch and shooter. Gil could adjust to be off the ball all the time, that's pretty much wasting his talent. Now, could the Wiz have gotten more if they waited? Who knows? Maybe it was already known that Rubio would be there at 5. We'll probably never know, and I think it's silly to lose any sleep over it. Remember what Rubio's agent - Fagan said - He didn't want the Wiz to pick him. That doesn't exactly help your bargaining power, does it boys and girls?

QFT

the fact that the pick ended up being Rubio doesn't change much in my
mind. EG probably already realized that. If the prevailing thinking on
Rubio was that great, he wouldn't have lasted to 5. Or maybe the
prevailing wisdom was that at 18, he would be 3-4 years MINIMUM to
contribute. And even then he wouldn't be a good fit with Gil.

The players we did get fit. Saunders and Wittman both saw
them a lot and were very familiar with them.

[Halcyon]

By the time Rubio developed, every core player on the Wizards would be 30 or over. I'm still glad they dealt the pick.

[VA_story]

Rubio staying in Europe means we could have and should have drafted him.

[Wizardspride]

Rubio staying in Europe means we could have and should have drafted him.

Ricky Rubio didn't want to play in Washington. (At least his agent didn't want him in Washington)

[VA_story]

Ricky Rubio didn't want to play in Washington. (At least his agent didn't want him in Washington)

We still should have drafted him. It's a better move than trading for Foye and Miller.

[Kanyewest]

We still should have drafted him. It's a better move than trading for Foye and Miller.

Time will tell but we'll have to agree to disagree.

[80sballboy]

We still should have drafted him. It's a better move than trading for Foye and Miller

That was me by the way and I agree that we should have drafted him-for somebody else. Might have gotten a better deal, but I'm ok with what we got as long as we come up with a big at some point this summer. However, I tend to doubt we'll do anything and at best grab a Songaila-like role player. (which is better than nothing).

[pancakes3]

Rubio staying in Europe means we could have and should have drafted him.

Ricky Rubio didn't want to play in Washington. (At least his agent didn't want him in Washington)

he doesn't want to play anywhere. the only teams that he would fit well and enjoy playing for are probably GSW and NYK - which is pretty much what Curry has been saying for the past couple of months. i'm way more peeved at selling the 32 and not drafting blair than dealing our #5.

[Kanyewest]

Do you think not being drafted in the top 3 has had an effect on Rubio's willingness to come to the NBA since he won't be making enough money for his buyout?

[LyricalRico]

Do you think not being drafted in the top 3 has had an effect on Rubio's willingness to come to the NBA since he won't be making enough money for his buyout?

Good point, and one that was actually brought up by some before the draft which is why in my personal mock I had the Wolves trading up for Rubio so that they could get him in a slot where he'd make enough to come over. Now he has to wait until his buyout reduces to a point where it makes financial sense for him to come over and sign an NBA rookie scale deal. That would have been the case regardless of who had picked him, and probably contributed to him falling a bit.

Heck, I'm not even sure that the Wolves would have taken him at #5 if they didn't also have the #6 to get a PG who can play now while they wait for Rubio. If not for that Rubio may have fallen even further.

[JWizmentality]

Ricky Rubio didn't want to play in Washington. (At least his agent didn't want him in Washington)

We still should have drafted him. It's a better move than trading for Foye and Miller.

Your logic seems a bit skewed.

[Optms]

By the time Rubio developed, every core player on the Wizards would be 30 or over. I'm still glad they dealt the pick.

Rubio would have given Washington the greatest trade asset, you do realize that, right...? As much as I love the move for Roye and Miller, looking back at it, I can only wonder about the "what if's" kind of deals that could have risen with Rubio in the teams hands. Perhaps Stoudemire. But regardless. Rubio's stock was dropping fast and I clearly saw that. To think about the surprise that had landed in Washington's hands had they kept the 5th.

[Luffy]

Rubio's not playing in Minnesota for sure. Neither would he have in Washington. Good things you guys got rid of the #5 pick before you had this major problem on your team. It looks like the only states he wants to play in is New York, Los Angeles, and Florida.

[fishercob]

By the time Rubio developed, every core player on the Wizards would be 30 or over. I'm still glad they dealt the pick.

Rubio would have given Washington the greatest trade asset, you do realize that, right...? As much as I love the move for Roye and Miller, looking back at it, I can only wonder about the "what if's" kind of deals that could have risen with Rubio in the teams hands. Perhaps Stoudemire. But regardless. Rubio's stock was dropping fast and I clearly saw that. To think about the surprise that had landed in Washington's hands had they kept the 5th.

You're answering your own question. His value as a trade asset is hurt severely by the fact that his stock has dropped so much -- and that instead of being willing to play for 29 other teams, it appears as if he's willing to play for about 5.

[LyricalRico]

By the time Rubio developed, every core player on the Wizards would be 30 or over. I'm still glad they dealt the pick.

Rubio would have given Washington the greatest trade asset, you do realize that, right...? As much as I love the move for Roye and Miller, looking back at it, I can only wonder about the "what if's" kind of deals that could have risen with Rubio in the teams hands. Perhaps Stoudemire. But regardless. Rubio's stock was dropping fast and I clearly saw that. To think about the surprise that had landed in Washington's hands had they kept the 5th.

You're answering your own question. His value as a trade asset is hurt severely by the fact that his stock has dropped so much -- and that instead of being willing to play for 29 other teams, it appears as if he's willing to play for about 5.

Exactly. And if he's such a great asset, wouldn't we be hearing about teams beating down Minnesota's door to get him? But there aren't any reports of that. The facts are that he's 2 years away from coming over and he also wants to dictate where he'll play. It could get very messy and then people would have been like "man, we should have traded the pick". LOL

[Dat2U]

Geez, do you guys realize that its just his agent trying to play hardball? Rubio's situation is so bad with his ACB league team that he's friggin suing them. It's unlikely he can go back there.

The agent is the real jerk here. But a real GM has to call his bluff. This is just like the Yi situation where the agent bitched, whined and moaned about Yi refusing to play in Milwaukee and guess what? He ended up signing his rookie deal and playing there.

Rubio has little choice. Either he's gonna play in the NBA or he won't. And once Minny drafted the kid all the agent's sway became faux power and empty threats. They don't have to bow down to his agent. They control the situation b/c they can dictate to Rubio that if you want to play in the NBA (and he desperately wants to - and start the clock ticking on his 2nd deal ASAP) then he has to do it for Minnesota.

[Ruzious]

Geez, do you guys realize that its just his agent trying to play hardball? Rubio's situation is so bad with his ACB league team that he's friggin suing them. It's unlikely he can go back there.

The agent is the real jerk here. But a real GM has to call his bluff. This is just like the Yi situation where the agent bitched, whined and moaned about Yi refusing to play in Milwaukee and guess what? He ended up signing his rookie deal and playing there.

Rubio has little choice. Either he's gonna play in the NBA or he won't. And once Minny drafted the kid all the agent's sway became faux power and empty threats. They don't have to bow down to his agent. They control the situation b/c they can dictate to Rubio that if you want to play in the NBA (and he desperately wants to - and start the clock ticking on his 2nd deal ASAP) then he has to do it for Minnesota.

Dat, it's the same agent as Yi had. But after hearing the Minnesota GM on ESPN radio this morning, I think Rubio probably will stay another year in Europe. That might actually work out best for Minnesota - considering Flynn is a better player.

[Dat2U]

Dat, it's the same agent as Yi had. But after hearing the Minnesota GM on ESPN radio this morning, I think Rubio probably will stay another year in Europe. That might actually work out best for Minnesota - considering Flynn is a better player.

Well then there you have it. It's the same jackass. It also sounds like Minnesota is calling his bluff with the whole "you can go back overseas if you like" ploy. Basically, their saying, "we aren't trading you, we'll wait you out". Now Rubio & his agent were trying to force a trade to a team they want by making threats about going back overseas. But in reality, Rubio desperately wants to get the clock started on his rookie deal so he can make that real money on his 2nd deal. Waiting a year or two does him no good whatsoever.

Minnesota is operating from a position of strength. If they want Rubio to come over now, then I think it will happen.

[WizStorm]

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