Official Trade Thread XIV: 6/14/10 - 12/22/10

NiteOwl · Post #621 » by **NiteOwl** » Thu Nov 11, 2010 6:21 pm

What's the consensus on going after Gortat? He will never get minutes with Howard there and they dont' really play well together. He is not a star (at least I dobut it), but he is worse-case a middle of the pack starting center on a cheap contract (a Blatche-like deal). The Wiz need beef and effort from the 5-spot. If somehow they luckbox into a starting center down the line Gortat will always be tradeable.

I would love to send Gil, but doubt that happens. Hinrich would be nice down there, especially with the injury prone Nelson. I would even include McGee in a bigger deal (he is dumb as a bag of hammers).

Thoughts...

Post #622 » by **nate33** » Thu Nov 11, 2010 6:58 pm

Gortat would be a nice addition to tag team with McGee. I absolutely would not give up McGee to acquire him though.

Some sort of Hinrich for Gortat trade would work pretty well for both teams, although such a trade would hamstring any max free agent plans in 2012.

Post #623 » by **LyricalRico** » Thu Nov 11, 2010 7:39 pm

Oh yeah, sign me up for a Gortat deal. Not sure Orlando would take Hirich, though, since their roster is already guard-heavy. I also don't think they would move him during this season. They will need all the size they can get to compete with Boston and Los Angeles.

Looking forward, we might be able to do a BOYD type of deal with Orlando to get Gortat and a pick to take his salary off their books (they have a $97M payroll next season). Could be a solid alternative if we expect the price of Gasol/Perkins to be through the roof.

no D in Hibachi · Post #624 » by **no D in Hibachi** » Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:29 pm

nate33 wrote:Gortat would be a nice addition to tag team with McGee. I absolutely would not give up McGee to acquire him though.

Some sort of Hinrich for Gortat trade would work pretty well for both teams, although such a trade would hamstring any max free agent plans in 2012.

Washington trades Hinrich, 2nd round pick, and removes themselves from taking Dwight Howard
Orlando trades Gortat

More than fair, otherwise the Wiz will be an ideal team to snatch Dwight when he's a free agent. Budding superstar PG, above average PF. Both Wall and Blatche project to be better than anything the Magic will have in 2 years.

Dat2U · Post #625 » by **Dat2U** » Fri Nov 12, 2010 5:10 am

I don't like the idea of Gortat. It's just a bad idea to tie up too much money in mediocrity. We know Gortat looks okay against other backups, but I'm not certain about his ability as a good starting C in the league and backups shouldn't be paid as much as he's getting.

Post #626 » by **Ruzious** » Fri Nov 12, 2010 8:09 am

no D in Hibachi wrote:
nate33 wrote:Gortat would be a nice addition to tag team with McGee. I absolutely would not give up McGee to acquire him though.

Some sort of Hinrich for Gortat trade would work pretty well for both teams, although such a trade would hamstring any max free agent plans in 2012.

Washington trades Hinrich, 2nd round pick, and removes themselves from taking Dwight Howard
Orlando trades Gortat

More than fair, otherwise the Wiz will be an ideal team to snatch Dwight when he's a free agent. Budding superstar PG, above average PF. Both Wall and Blatche project to be better than anything the Magic will have in 2 years.

I gotta agree with Dat on this one. It's telling that Gortat's PER has decreased with more minutes and experience. And you said it yourself - removes the Wiz from being in contention for getting Dwight Howard - not to mention others. Do you really want to do that for a backup level player? Of course not.

NewWolvesOrder · Post #627 » by **NewWolvesOrder** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 4:42 pm

Pekovic and 2 2011 firsts( Memphis & utah) for McGee. Limited time offer.

Hoopalotta · Post #628 » by **Hoopalotta** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 5:14 pm

Turnover_21 wrote:Pekovic and 2 2011 firsts( Memphis & utah) for McGee. Limited time offer.

Nah, if we're trading McGee, I'd want to do it for a consolidation trade, like moving way up in next year's lottery or something.

A whole lot of protection on those picks too.

2011 first round draft pick from Utah
Utah’s own 2011 first round pick to Minnesota (top 16 protected in the 2011 draft, top 14 protected in 2012 and top 12 protected in the 2013 draft). If Utah has not conveyed a first round pick to Minnesota by 2014 and also if Utah’s own 2014 first round is not within the top 9 picks, then Minnesota will have the option to swap their own 2014 first round pick with Utah’s own 2014 first round pick. If Minnesota does not receive a first round pick by the 2013 draft and also does not swap 2014 first round picks with Utah, then Minnesota will receive Utah’s own 2014 second round pick. [Minnesota - Utah, 7/13/2010]

2011 first round draft pick from Memphis
Memphis' own 2011 1st round pick to Minnesota via Utah (top 14 protected in 2011, top 12 protected in 2012, top 10 protected in 2013, top 9 protected in 2014, top 9 protected in the 2015 Draft). If Minnesota does not receive a 1st round pick from Memphis by the 2015 Draft, then Minnesota will receive cash considerations from Memphis. [Memphis - Utah, 2/18/2010 and then Minnesota - Utah, 7/13/2010]

20MexicanosIn1Van · Post #629 » by **20MexicanosIn1Van** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 5:26 pm

Blatche for Love

shrink · Post #630 » by **shrink** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 5:41 pm

Regarding Oden, keep in mind he's a restricted free agent. If you trade assets to get him away from POR, AND he happens to be healthy for you and produce, there's no guarantee rich Paul Allen simply doesn't make him an offer that WAS will be discouraged from matching.

Interesting reading your Kevin Love posts from the last few days.

NewWolvesOrder · Post #631 » by **NewWolvesOrder** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 7:59 pm

shrink wrote:Regarding Oden, keep in mind he's a restricted free agent. If you trade assets to get him away from POR, AND he happens to be healthy for you and produce, there's no guarantee rich Paul Allen simply doesn't make him an offer that WAS will be discouraged from matching.

Interesting reading your Kevin Love posts from the last few days.

Well if Allen makes a rich offer you still hold Oden's rights and can match this offer, what's to worry about?

hands11 · Post #632 » by **hands11** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 8:08 pm

Not if you listen to the stylings of this board.

Haywood was hopeless. Dray was hopeless. So many wanted him traded for so many years. Even up to last year and this summer people wanted to move Dray saying sell high.

I cast my vote as saying I would be very very highly surprised if Ted and Ernie agreed to trade McGee this year. You can't give up on this kid after only two years and three coaches and a team that was blown up in large part because it was full of knuckleheads.

shrink · Post #633 » by **shrink** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 9:24 pm

Turnover_21 wrote:
shrink wrote:Regarding Oden, keep in mind he's a restricted free agent. If you trade assets to get him away from POR, AND he happens to be healthy for you and produce, there's no guarantee rich Paul Allen simply doesn't make him an offer that WAS will be discouraged from matching.

Interesting reading your Kevin Love posts from the last few days.

Well if Allen makes a rich offer you still hold Oden's rights and can match this offer, what's to worry about?

That most teams wouldn't want to lock a guy with Oden's past into a 5-year, $70 mil deal, and risk the farm finacially that Oden will be productive the next five years.

Silvie Lysandra · Post #634 » by **Silvie Lysandra** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 11:42 pm

hands11 wrote:Not if you listen to the styling of this board.

Haywood was hopeless. Dray was hopeless. So many wanted him traded for so many years. Even up to last year and this summer people wanted to move Dray saying sell high.

I cast my vote as saying I would be very very highly surprised if Ted and Ernie agreed to trade McGee this year. You can't give up on this kid after only two years and three coaches and a team that was blown up in large part because it was full of knuckleheads.

The numbers, especially the advanced numbers, backed up Haywood all along though. To a lesser extent they backed up Blatche, who had a high on/off from about his 3rd season. McGee is a net negative every time he steps on the court (and the only reason he's not an enormous one is because Armstrong is worse)

3 years in the NBA and McGee is quite possibly the absolute worst starting center in basketball. Was Haywood the worst starting C in basketball in his third year? Was Blatche the worst starting PF in basketball in his third year?

Now, to be fair, McGee's mental red flags aren't so bad as Blatche's were (but then again, it may be easier to fix off-court dumb than on-court dumb), but McGee has some real big ones - softness, immaturity, and the whole mama's boy thing to start with. With that in mind, comparing the two, let alone bringing Haywood into the discussion (who was a solid center starting in his rookie year going forward) seems like comparing apples and oranges.

hands11 · Post #635 » by **hands11** » Sun Nov 14, 2010 1:01 am

I know you post here and read the board. You must just be forgetting.

Brenda....Remember that. No Hands Haywood. Hands of stone. Haywood is a black hole and wont pass. Haywood is a bum. He is a mal-context. EFJ over Haywood. It was far from the whole board that wanted to keep Haywoods all along. That only came later and still not by everyone.

Same deal with Dray. Stop shooting from the outside Dray. You cant make that. Stop dribbling Dray, you don't have handles. Dray is a tease, he will never make it. Dray can't shoot because he was shot in the wrist so he doesn't have the flexibility. That was an oldie but a goody. Trade him now while the stock is high.

Look, centers take a while to develop. Hell, Dray wasn't even a center, which was part of the problem.

They capped his development by not letting him play into his game like they did Gil who had a green light and show have been a SG or trained as a PG. For Haywood, he had no PG to feed him the ball and at least two other shot jacking players his who career which slowed his development. That is, if he was on the court. Thanks EFJ. That was talent that was wasn't while it was here.

But Dray is closer to the McGee comparison. Lots of talent. Little experience. Knucklehead and knuckleheads around him his whole career ( two years ) and EFJ as his HC.

Add to McGee, three coaches and a blown up team in chaos.

Look at Drays chart. He blow up end of last year and I think he will keep going this year.
I also strongly believe he could have done his sooner with a better coach and if he started beginning in at least year three (min)
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/s ... yerId=2746

McGee chart. Under experience is says 2 years. It should say two rocky years.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/s ... yerId=3452

You know what it takes to get a tall ubber athletic 7-1 healthy big like McGee who is polished ? Probably the #1 pick in the draft. This kid just added 10 lbs of muscle. He is putting in the work. He isn't lazy. He had asthma even that held him back until late last year. And he even grow another inch just last year.

Sorry. I know his potential is frustrating people and people want to see more progress faster, but so did they with Dray. Now look at him. He is entering his sixth year and is 24 and signed and staying.

Sorry, but trading McGee right now after just two years and given what we know he is and went through ( partially detailed above )

IS FOOLISH.

No way I would trade McGee for Oden, who may be great when healty, but that is a big maybe.
McGee has been a very healthy big. Don't discount that. He is getting stronger also. Flip is working on his head. Dray didn't get it over night. Give it time. At least Dray is near his age so you hope he can help get to him quicker. Also, we have Wall who is young and a great example. I have no doubt Wall is and will get in his ear.

Forget about trading McGee. for one, it is foolish, for two, Ted and EG are not going to do it.

NEXT

FAH1223 · Post #636 » by **FAH1223** » Sun Nov 14, 2010 4:50 am

Trade McGee for Cousins....please

dangermouse · Post #637 » by **dangermouse** » Sun Nov 14, 2010 5:21 am

I was just about to post that...

Whats the deal with Cousins anyway, he looked good in preseason and now hes not even starting>? Is it the attitude problem?

Cousins coming here... reuniting with Wall, he may change...

But then you have to factor in Flip, he would probably do his nut from frustration. McGee might be a knucklehead who goofs around and needs a lot of work, but at least he is trying.

The potential of Cousins and the chemistry between he and Wall is pretty tantalizing though.

Wizardspride · Post #638 » by **Wizardspride** » Sun Nov 14, 2010 5:50 am

dangermouse wrote:I was just about to post that...

Whats the deal with Cousins anyway, he looked good in preseason and now hes not even starting>? Is it the attitude problem?

Cousins coming here... reuniting with Wall, he may change...

But then you have to factor in Flip, he would probably do his nut from frustration. McGee might be a knucklehead who goofs around and needs a lot of work, but at least he is trying.

The potential of Cousins and the chemistry between he and Wall is pretty tantalizing though.

Sacramento would probably ask for our 1st rd pick in addition to McGee.

dangermouse · Post #639 » by **dangermouse** » Sun Nov 14, 2010 7:00 am

Ya i suspected that. no way would it be an unprotected first along with mcgee. not worth it. cousins could make us real good but in the same breath he could come in and cause us headaches as well.

toughjuice03 · Post #640 » by **toughjuice03** » Sun Nov 14, 2010 7:11 am

dangermouse wrote:Ya i suspected that. no way would it be an unprotected first along with mcgee. not worth it. cousins could make us real good but in the same breath he could come in and cause us headaches as well.

Mcgee was only a mid 1st round pick and he hasn't really improved much imo so the value seems fair to me.