2012 NBA Draft - Part II

Post #621 » by **Ruzious** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:51 pm

I think Beal will measure out pretty well - maybe not quite as surprising to people as Harden did - but better than most now think. It's UConn Lamb's extra long measurements that may fool a GM into picking him top 5. The Zeller bros may get knocked down for shortarmitis. I'll be interested in how KY's Jones measures - if he measures as a more legit PF than folks think - he's a wildcard - unorthodox, undisciplined, pouty, but on the right team... he could put up big-time numbers. And Moultrie's length might be better than expected - shooting him up. And Perry Jones still remains the ultimate wild card for this draft.

Post #622 » by **Rafael122** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:53 pm

Watching last night's game, Nene gets double tamed, it would be so awesome if we could either draft a guy or sign one through free agency that can knock down the 3. I think with Nene being here, it would make all the sense in the world to get Bradley Beal or Harrison Barnes.

Post #623 » by **nate33** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:58 pm

My wish list this offseason is Bradley Beal in the draft and Danny Green in free agency. Beal starts at SG, Green at SF. Crawford and Singleton back them up. Mason is the 5th guard (who might beat out Crawford at backup SG). If Singleton improves his shot a little more this offseason, we would be loaded with perimeter shooters on the wings. Defensively, we should be pretty damn good as well.

Higga · Post #624 » by **Higga** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:00 pm

Yeah I'm starting to warm up on Beal. He's a great shooter and that's something we really lack right now. But we also need more production from our 3 spot, so I'm not totally against Barnes yet either...

Post #625 » by **nate33** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:27 pm

Higga wrote:Yeah I'm starting to warm up on Beal. He's a great shooter and that's something we really lack right now. But we also need more production from our 3 spot, so I'm not totally against Barnes yet either...

The way I see it, we already have a ball dominant stud in John Wall, and some respectable post offense out of Nene and Seraphin, so we really don't need dynamic scoring out of both of our wings. We need just one wing to be able to score creatively (Beal should be able to do that). The other wing can merely be a 3&D type of player. There are a couple of good 3&D guys available in free agency.

Post #626 » by **Rafael122** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:22 pm

Good news: MKG is declaring after the NCAA Tournament. Per Chad Ford.

truwizfan4evr · Post #627 » by **truwizfan4evr** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:56 pm

When i read Anthony Davis not sure to join the lottery My heart drop.

Jay81 · Post #628 » by **Jay81** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:00 pm

truwizfan4evr wrote:When i read Anthony Davis not sure to join the lottery My heart drop.

of course he is coming out

truwizfan4evr · Post #629 » by **truwizfan4evr** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:04 pm

Jay81 wrote:
truwizfan4evr wrote:When i read Anthony Davis not sure to join the lottery My heart drop.

of course he is coming out

I hope, he said he not sure. he could join or stay another year

truwizfan4evr · Post #630 » by **truwizfan4evr** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 10:10 pm

Rafael122 wrote:Good news: MKG is declaring after the NCAA Tournament. Per Chad Ford.

wooo hoooo.

Post #631 » by **Rafael122** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:29 pm

Interesting note from Ford on Drummond and Jones:

Teams are scared -- to death -- of taking Perry Jones III and Andre Drummond and they're frightened to pass on either player. Jones and Drummond have so many tools to be great NBA players, but early in their careers they still don't know how to put those tools together. "They get you fired either way," one GM said. "Don't take them and they blow up, everyone asks you what you were thinking. Do take them and they underachieve and everyone says you shouldn't have taken the risk. It's a no-win situation so ... you just take them. It's better to swing for the fences and miss than to bunt and miss the chance to hit a home run."

That's the type of mindset that gets you fired.

Dat2U · Post #632 » by **Dat2U** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:34 pm

I know people hate Drummond but he's got that Andrew Bynum type vibe and potential. Bynum looked totally lost most nights at 18 yrs old too.

If Drummond was this lost at 20 or 21 I'd be more concerned.

Post #633 » by **Rafael122** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:36 pm

Dat2U wrote:I know people hate Drummond but he's got that Andrew Bynum type vibe and potential. Bynum looked totally lost most nights at 18 yrs old too.

If Drummond was this lost at 20 or 21 I'd be more concerned.

I don't hate him, I just think he's mentally fragile. That could be because of his age or because that's just who he is. It's scary really...we went through this with McGee, do you REALLY want to go through that again?

Dat2U · Post #634 » by **Dat2U** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:42 pm

Rafael122 wrote:
Dat2U wrote:I know people hate Drummond but he's got that Andrew Bynum type vibe and potential. Bynum looked totally lost most nights at 18 yrs old too.

If Drummond was this lost at 20 or 21 I'd be more concerned.

I don't hate him, I just think he's mentally fragile. That could be because of his age or because that's just who he is. It's scary really...we went through this with McGee, do you REALLY want to go through that again?

I honestly hate that logic tho... We don't select player B because of what occured with player A. Are we never going to draft a young talented big ever again simply because of Javale? When making an ultimate decision on Drummond, honestly Javale's situation with us shouldn't even be under consideration.

Post #635 » by **Rafael122** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:45 pm

Dat2U wrote:
Rafael122 wrote:
Dat2U wrote:I know people hate Drummond but he's got that Andrew Bynum type vibe and potential. Bynum looked totally lost most nights at 18 yrs old too.

If Drummond was this lost at 20 or 21 I'd be more concerned.

I don't hate him, I just think he's mentally fragile. That could be because of his age or because that's just who he is. It's scary really...we went through this with McGee, do you REALLY want to go through that again?

I honestly hate that logic tho... We don't select player B because of what occured with player A. Are we never going to draft a young talented big ever again simply because of Javale? When making an ultimate decision on Drummond, honestly Javale's situation with us shouldn't even be under consideration.

It's not necessarily because of Javale, but because of what I've read about the mental portion of his game, the grind, he doesn't like to bang down in the paint, etc. This is all stuff we read about Kwame and McGee, and Drummond just seems to be another big who isn't hungry. I'd take Davis over Drummond not because Davis is better, because he is, but because he seems to have that mental part of the game. Same with MKG, T-Robinson, these guys are hungry.

PJ 3 and Drummond, no one is denying they are talented but do we really want to waste another lottery pick on guys that may just disappear from time to time? Mentally check out? Wizards need to hit on this pick this year.

The Consiglieri · Post #636 » by **The Consiglieri** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:37 am

Rafael122 wrote:Interesting note from Ford on Drummond and Jones:

Teams are scared -- to death -- of taking Perry Jones III and Andre Drummond and they're frightened to pass on either player. Jones and Drummond have so many tools to be great NBA players, but early in their careers they still don't know how to put those tools together. "They get you fired either way," one GM said. "Don't take them and they blow up, everyone asks you what you were thinking. Do take them and they underachieve and everyone says you shouldn't have taken the risk. It's a no-win situation so ... you just take them. It's better to swing for the fences and miss than to bunt and miss the chance to hit a home run."

That's the type of mindset that gets you fired.

So what, I'd rather have a GM that tried to get the type of player that could win it all, than settle for a role player with a low ceiling that will never help you reach the promised land. The latter tactic is fine when you already have true franchise players, but when you don't, you have to get them, and the draft is the cheapest way to do so.

All that being said, there's a difference between PJ3, and Drummond. Drummond is an enigma with all NBA talent, he could be Kwame Brown, he could be one of the best 3 players in the NBA five years from now. I think we already have a firm grasp on who PJ3 is and what his flaws are. He will never play with the fire and hunger, and desire to become a best in the league franchise player superstar, the best you can hope for with him is to land him on a team that already has two franchise attention seeking studs, and add him as the final piece. With room to grow, and avoid attention, he'll blossom, thrust out into the light of center court to be "THE GUY" for all to see and I think he'll wilt.

In both cases you have to have pieces in place, veterans you can count on, and room for each guy to grow. Drummond may grow into the role of flat out stud, PJ3 may grow into the role of athletic freak Robin to your teams batman. But you have to have the right team for those guys. We don't have the right team for either of them (I may change my mind in time on Drummond, I wouldn't on PJ3 unless the last of the stooges were moved out and we got totally screwed in the lottery).

FAH1223 · Post #637 » by **FAH1223** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:36 am

Drummond doesn't play like a 7 footer.

Andrew Bynum did even though he was lost.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #638 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 3:23 am

nate33 wrote:
Higga wrote:Yeah I'm starting to warm up on Beal. He's a great shooter and that's something we really lack right now. But we also need more production from our 3 spot, so I'm not totally against Barnes yet either...

The way I see it, we already have a ball dominant stud in John Wall, and some respectable post offense out of Nene and Seraphin, so we really don't need dynamic scoring out of both of our wings. We need just one wing to be able to score creatively (Beal should be able to do that). The other wing can merely be a 3&D type of player. There are a couple of good 3&D guys available in free agency.

Okay, blast me for this because it is going to make a lot of you mad.

John Wall can do some things very well. The way I see it I would trade Wall and the lottery pick to get Anthony Davis. Period. I would trade Booker and a pick to get Damian Lillard. He's a pure shooter who might not be all that good, but then again I had a feeling Kyrie Irving was better than Wall and I said so last year. Lillard is a light's out shooter who I think will be pretty good.

Just in case, I would draft Machado in round two.

Recap: I would trade Wall and the 1st to acquire Anthony Davis. (Wall+pick might not get him).
I would trade Booker and a 2nd round pick to get a mid-first.
I would draft a Wall replacement, Damian Lillard mid round one
I would draft a 2nd PG, Scott Machado, in round two. He will be a 10-yr pro.

In my opinion, the Wizards have a stud in Seraphin and the only way he plays the right minutes is if Nene is the PF, full time. Booker is really good, but I would use him to get better. As good as Wall is, I wouldn't rule him untouchable at all.

Severn Hoos · Post #639 » by **Severn Hoos** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 3:58 am

Sullinger with 23 & 11 at this point. I know it wouldn't make sense to draft him now, but I'm still firmly convinced he'll be at least a solid pro, and maybe a borderline star (if not All-Star).

I wish Craft was a Euro, I'd love to be able to draft his rights now and let him play 2 more years knowing he'd be on the team someday. His defense is just ridiculous.

Agree with the comments about needing a 7-footer for games like tonight. I'd look at one of Festus Ezeli, Fab Melo, or Gorgui Dieng (if they come out) with our 2nd round pick. One or more of them - or D. Lamb/J. Jenkins - should be available with the high 2nd rounder. That pick should yield a roation player.

I'm ready for the draft, do we really have to play the last 20 games?

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #640 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 4:17 am

OT, but Sev the resolution is I will ask for time and wish her well if she wants to pursue that other course. I don't know if you're familiar with Kanye West's songs. I do know the lyrics to one of them. The refrain goes, "I ain't sayin' she a goldigger, but she ain't messin' with ... ."

Let's just say I won't close the door, but "fools rush in", Sev. Lose one's job and suddenly want CCJ to put a ring on it? Hmmm ...