Official Trade Thread - Part XXXI

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... if your knees are inside your ankle joints, you are probably knock knee. It's not really that hard to figure out.

Maybe not, but how do you get your knees inside your ankle joints in the first place? And, once they're in there, is it still possible to father children?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Treadmill team? No, we're a "slipped in the treadmill and flew off the back" team.

We are on pace to win 18 games.

As much as we have sucked lately, I don't think we're THAT bad. We'd have at least 1 more win if Wall could play in back-to-backs (which, presumably will be the case for most of the year). And that Memphis game should have been a win. I think we're still a pretty sure bet to win 30+ games, and probably more like 35.

Going by the Simple Rating System (designed to take strength of schedule and point differential into account), we are merely the 10th worst team in the East, ahead of Brooklyn, New York, Indiana, Orlando, and Philly

Tough schedule and bad coaching? Something has to give for the record being at 2-7.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Washington trades Beal and unprotected first rounder for klay thompson. Problem solved. Wall and Beal are perfect compliments. Klay can put up 25 plus shots a game and an undisputed all star in eastern conference.

I don't think we have the amo to even sniff a clay thompson trade. if they were smart they would offer clay to the teams with the best young bigs and see who bites cuz damn they need a center.

Nerlens Noel seems like a given trade piece for GSW/Philly.

I don't think they trade Klay.

FWIW the player to try and steal from GS is Kevon Looney. That guy's a beast in the making if he stays healthy.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gljht2j

Here's a tank now, win big later trade idea:

Washington sends: Gortat, Oubre
Golden State sends: 1st round pick, Kevon Looney, Andre Igoudala (who the Wizards waive), Damian Jones

Why for Washington: Mahinmi will start when healthy. Based on my YEARS OF BEING RIGHT ABOUT TALENT, I think Looney is even better than Porter. He's a stud PF who will immediately take the job from Morris IMO. Plus, for a change, the Wizards RECEIVE A FIRST!

Why for Golden State: I like Gortat. I think he and Oubre would win multiple titles if this trade went down! So be it. It's even better for the Wizards because it gives them the best player in the deal (Looney. YES. I said that). GS wants to win now and that's the time to pluck a young talent. Giving them Oubre gives Kelly the chance to emulate what Iguodala did.

Thoughts?

[dangermouse]

I'm definitely down for a Gortat trade if we are getting Looney and a first back. I like Looney as well, but im not as convinced that he could steal the starter job any time soon. He'd give the bench some much needed defense and rebounding though, particularly with Ian starting in this scenario. And he could run a decent pick and roll game with Satoransky.

Follow this up with one of the Beal trades we've been discussing and I think it goes some way towards building a better team for next season (ive written this one off).

[deneem4]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gljht2j

Here's a tank now, win big later trade idea:

Washington sends: Gortat, Oubre
Golden State sends: 1st round pick, Kevon Looney, Andre Igoudala (who the Wizards waive), Damian Jones

Why for Washington: Mahinmi will start when healthy. Based on my YEARS OF BEING RIGHT ABOUT TALENT, I think Looney is even better than Porter. He's a stud PF who will immediately take the job from Morris IMO. Plus, for a change, the Wizards RECEIVE A FIRST!

Why for Golden State: I like Gortat. I think he and Oubre would win multiple titles if this trade went down! So be it. It's even better for the Wizards because it gives them the best player in the deal (Looney. YES. I said that). GS wants to win now and that's the time to pluck a young talent. Giving them Oubre gives Kelly the chance to emulate what Iguodala did.

Thoughts?

Why the Ernie would we wave igudola...did u see what an old paul Pierce did for us...

I mean we get rid of gortat but trading 1 of our younger prospects as well as the 7th best center in the league...
for a younger prospect and a vet, (u planned to waive) and a likely 29th or 30th pick....

Proabbly wouldnt do this for Bobby Portis and a bulls 1st

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Iguodala would be extremely unhappy to be traded to the Wizards. He doesn't deserve that. He's also on an expiring contract. Waiving him allows him to join wherever he pleases.

This deal clears cap to sign Porter.



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[Dark Faze]

You can't make a trade for Looney without committing to a full rebuild. You might as well walk Wall out the door after accepting the deal.

We need to move Beal in a deal that also lets us include Smith or Nicholson to clean up Ernie's horrible off-season.

[Dat2U]

I wouldn't necessarily rule out keeping Wall if we tank. If it's done right, it could be just a one year tank, especially considering it's a really strong top of the draft. One stud piece paired with Wall, Porter, one of our Cs is a very solid core.

I'd look to rehab Beal's value a bit before putting out feelers to see if anyone would take the bait. If healthy and not stinking up the joint I think a few teams might be willing to bite. 76ers? Nets? Knicks? Kings? I think we could come a way with at least solid rotation piece whether it's Nerlens Noel, Courtney Lee or Rudy Gay.

Gortat would be the other obvious option. A mid-to-late 1st rounder would be my ideal choice.

I dunno how we get rid of Nicholson or Smith. I fear we may be stuck with them for the foreseeable future. But along with Burke, these two could be the tank commanders.

[AFM]

Thunder looking to trade for Rudy Gay. We may be safe for a while

[Dat2U]

Beal to Sacramento for Gay & Temple?

Wall / Satoransky
Temple / McClellan / Thornton
Gay / Oubre Jr / House Jr
Porter / Morris / Nicholson
Gortat / Mahinmi / Smith / Ochefu

Cut: Burke

I think this trade makes us better & deeper. You can count on solid D, high IQ and limited offense with Temple but he definitely won't stagnate ball movement like Beal has searching for shots. Gay is a capable scoring option who's probably wanting to play well so he can cash in on one more big contract. I'd move Porter to the 4 with Morris solidifying the bench and moving Nicholson out the rotation. With Nicholson, Burke, Smith (when Mahinmi gets back) & Thornton (replaced by McClellan) out the rotation I think we'd improve significantly.

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http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gljht2j

Washington sends: Gortat, Oubre
Golden State sends: 1st round pick, Kevon Looney, Andre Iguodala (who the Wizards waive), Damian Jones

Why for Washington: Mahinmi will start when healthy. Based on my YEARS OF BEING RIGHT ABOUT TALENT, I think Looney is even better than Porter. He's a stud PF who will immediately take the job from Morris IMO. Plus, for a change, the Wizards RECEIVE A FIRST!

Why for Golden State: I like Gortat. I think he and Oubre would win multiple titles if this trade went down! So be it. It's even better for the Wizards because it gives them the best player in the deal (Looney. YES. I said that). GS wants to win now and that's the time to pluck a young talent. Giving them Oubre gives Kelly the chance to emulate what Iguodala did.

CCJ -- if you remember, you and I were the big supporters of picking Looney @#19 in the first place (had we stayed there). The reason he dropped was the need for surgery on both hips. It's possible there's still some risk w/ him -- not a talent risk but a long-term health risk. I note that he's only played 78 minutes so far this year -- does that indicate some lingering health issue I wonder?

The only two other thoughts: would they take Mahinmi rather than Gortat? Would you (should we) prefer that? And, given that their R1 pick will be #27-30, would they include Patrick McCaw in the deal -- in place of Jones?

I saw your reason for waiving Iguodala, but we'd have to buy out his big contract, and I wouldn't do that. I think he'd be able to adjust to finishing a single season with the Wizards.

In all, even with the risks, this is a deal worth doing. Alas, there's no chance of Ernie being this imaginative.

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The Mavericks just waived Quincy Acy to sign Jonathan Gibson. Acy is better than either Nicholson or Smith. Grab him.

Waive Danuel House to fit him in. Then try everything you can to trade one of Smith/Nicholson. For anything.

[Dat2U]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gljht2j

Washington sends: Gortat, Oubre
Golden State sends: 1st round pick, Kevon Looney, Andre Iguodala (who the Wizards waive), Damian Jones

Why for Washington: Mahinmi will start when healthy. Based on my YEARS OF BEING RIGHT ABOUT TALENT, I think Looney is even better than Porter. He's a stud PF who will immediately take the job from Morris IMO. Plus, for a change, the Wizards RECEIVE A FIRST!

Why for Golden State: I like Gortat. I think he and Oubre would win multiple titles if this trade went down! So be it. It's even better for the Wizards because it gives them the best player in the deal (Looney. YES. I said that). GS wants to win now and that's the time to pluck a young talent. Giving them Oubre gives Kelly the chance to emulate what Iguodala did.

CCJ -- if you remember, you and I were the big supporters of picking Looney @#19 in the first place (had we stayed there). The reason he dropped was the need for surgery on both hips. It's possible there's still some risk w/ him -- not a talent risk but a long-term health risk. I note that he's only played 78 minutes so far this year -- does that indicate some lingering health issue I wonder?

The only two other thoughts: would they take Mahinmi rather than Gortat? Would you (should we) prefer that? And, given that their R1 pick will be #27-30, would they include Patrick McCaw in the deal -- in place of Jones?

I saw your reason for waiving Iguodala, but we'd have to buy out his big contract, and I wouldn't do that. I think he'd be able to adjust to finishing a single season with the Wizards.

In all, even with the risks, this is a deal worth doing. Alas, there's no chance of Ernie being this imaginative.

I'd make the deal but like PIF said I'd want to keep Iguodala. He's too good not to keep in the short term unless were going for the hard tank. I'm not as high on Looney but I'd take a flier on him. I know very little about Jones... if we could get McCaw that would be a coup but they are already using him in their rotation, I think they'd pass on doing that.

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You can't make a trade for Looney without committing to a full rebuild. You might as well walk Wall out the door after accepting the deal...

We're 2-8. You don't think it's time for a full rebuild? You think there's some path to becoming a title contender that doesn't include a total rebuild.

Who cares about John Wall, if you don't mind my asking? I care about the Wizards' future.

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Gortat described us as having the worst bench in the league. Who built that bench?

You can count on Ernie trading him If he says something like that even one more time -- and I'm sure he's been told to shut up. I just don't think he will, or at least I hope he won't.

[AFM]

Gortat described us as having the worst bench in the league. Who built that bench?

You can count on Ernie trading him If he says something like that even one more time -- and I'm sure he's been told to shut up. I just don't think he will, or at least I hope he won't.

Gortat would love to be traded. We may be the worst team in the league, his situation can't get any worse!

[Dark Faze]

Remember when some of yall said Atlanta would be worse for losing Horford and that we should stay the hell away from Dwight?

You can't make a trade for Looney without committing to a full rebuild. You might as well walk Wall out the door after accepting the deal...

We're 2-8. You don't think it's time for a full rebuild? You think there's some path to becoming a title contender that doesn't include a total rebuild.

Who cares about John Wall, if you don't mind my asking? I care about the Wizards' future.

There's no point in writing about fantasy. Leonsis isn't close to blowing this thing open and I'm not going to waste my breath writing about strategies involving that. I care about the Wizards future as well.

Honestly at this point though the massive changes that would be necessary for this team to compete in the playoffs would take as much change as blowing it up would. You have to pay a fair market deal for Otto, get rid of Beal and one of Nicholson/Smith, trade for or sign an all-star caliber player (not Otto), and find a solution for the horrific bench. That's a really tall task.

[jangles86]

Beal or Devon Booker?

[deneem4]

Can something around gortat for kanter, made?
Might have to get the kings and rockets involved

I think kanter would fit great next to morris til Mahinmi comes back and then can be a super sub