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Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 6

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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 6 

Post#621 » by nate33 » Thu Jun 29, 2017 12:06 pm

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keynote wrote:The Kings cut bait on McLemore. He's been a bum, but he's athletic, and his 3PT% has crept up each year (he shot 38.2% last year).

Is it at all worth it for us to take a Waiters-esque flyer on him to be our backup SG?


I might take a flier if he's cheap. Maybe a change of scenery helps. Better coaching and Wall can't hurt. Like his improvement from beyond the arc. Worried about defense though.


As long as you know what your getting. A guard that cannot take more than two dribbles so he's worthless off the dribble or attacking the basket. If it's not a spot up jumper or a finish on the break... it's not going to end well for him.

From what I've seen he's also a low confidence guy. He needs to be encouraged and needs to experience success at the things he does well. He can be a good defender but he's been disengaged since his 2nd season.

He's worth a look but he has to be put into a position to succeed.

Yeah, he's basically a limited, 3&D small forward in a shooting guard's body, without all that much "D". If our second unit was led by a ball-pounder like Ramon Sessions, it might work out okay; but instead, it'll be Frazier and/or Sato; and those guys aren't capable of dominating the ball and will need to be surrounded by teammates who are competent ball-handlers, passers and decision makers.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 6 

Post#622 » by montestewart » Thu Jun 29, 2017 2:28 pm

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tontoz wrote:The Knicks picked up Phil's option, let him screw up their draft pick, then they fire him?

:lol:



Look as a Wiz fan I am happy we didn't do something that dumb. Like he screwed the draft for them majorly. I dont understand why they didn't go after Monk if they were going to commit to Rose...uh seems like no one was overseeing Phil. You cant keep a under 30 Rose at point...draft a PG and still who is there 2 guard? Wow loving the Knicks right now.

They should give us Melo for the rights for Vessley...if we still own those...if not they should still do it..cause why not.


Nah, Phil didn't screw their draft. I would have drafted Dennis Smith, but Nitikina was a quality prospect. Phil had one of the worst hands ever to deal with starting as GM. He had no 1st rounders (ended up being lotto picks) in 2014 & 2016. He takes Porzingis in 2015, and takes a legit talent in Nitikina in 2017. I think Dolan forced the resigning of Melo and giving him the NTC. Phil's biggest mistake was signing Noah and trading for Rose. If he had kept Lopez & Grant, they would have been a better team. Melo screwed that team up.

Don't know about the draft, we'll see how that works out. I also think the Cleveland trade--providing two rotation players to a championship in exchange for some bodies and a possibly very low future 2nd--has to be factored in; that trade looks Grunfeldian in hindsight.

I agree that Jackson came into a bad situation, but he knew it was bad going in. The ego gratification would have come from prevailing despite the many obvious obstacles. When he first became GM, I recall some news regarding him having a free hand as GM without ownership interference, but I wonder how much Dolan actually influenced not only the resigning of Anthony but the signings of Rose and Noah. New York (ownership, fans, press) has a history, going back to the 70s, of being extremely impatient with rebuilds, their desire periodically sated by big name acquisitions. You would think they might have learned with Isiah Thomas, but maybe Dolan pushed for Jackson to create a Big-3 to sell to the Knicks audience.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 6 

Post#623 » by Rafael122 » Thu Jun 29, 2017 6:46 pm

Yeah the picks Phil didn't have ended up being Dario Saric and Jamal Murray. There's no telling how the Knicks would be if they had both of those guys on the roster now.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 6 

Post#624 » by Dark Faze » Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:27 pm

Jazz bringing in Rubio puts a George Hill extension in doubt--who Hayward is apparently very high on. I think this move puts Hayward a step closer to being in a Boston uniform. Once that happens, Ainge will probably be hyped enough to improve his deal for George. They'll get both and we'll be so screwed.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 6 

Post#625 » by Tricky_Kid » Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:29 pm

Another interesting move. I wonder if it means DRose to Wolves now?

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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 6 

Post#626 » by Tricky_Kid » Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:40 pm

I forgot they already have Butler so it means no chance after Bulls days ;)

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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 6 

Post#627 » by dckingsfan » Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:49 pm

Indiana is going to be a hot mess if they don't get something for George.

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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 6 

Post#628 » by dckingsfan » Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:53 pm

Tricky_Kid wrote:Another interesting move. I wonder if it means DRose to Wolves now?

I think Kyle Lowry?
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 6 

Post#629 » by payitforward » Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:54 pm

Dark Faze wrote:I think Melo is an upgrade at the 4 over Kieff, but I don't know that I'd be willing to even give up a second rounder for him at this point. I think he's realistically worth a late first + filler, but our team is so thin on young talent that it'd be a no from me, unless I had strong indication that John would leave if we didn't improve immediately.

Except that, no, he's not an upgrade from Kieff at the 4, so we wouldn't improve immediately. Carmelo got 7 boards per 40 minutes. He can't play the 4 at all. And at the 3 he's a downgrade over Porter -- by a huge amount.
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Post#630 » by Tricky_Kid » Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:14 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
Tricky_Kid wrote:Another interesting move. I wonder if it means DRose to Wolves now?

I think Kyle Lowry?

The list of quality PG's is short. Lowry, Hill, Teague. DRose is only a big name nowadays.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 6 

Post#631 » by gambitx777 » Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:49 pm

Rubio went for a decent price.... I wonder if this is the jazz giving up on hill?
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 6 

Post#632 » by closg00 » Sat Jul 1, 2017 12:05 am

Porter + Wizards 1st round pick would be a decent, face-saving move for the Pacers.


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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 6 

Post#633 » by tontoz » Sat Jul 1, 2017 12:36 am

Surprised Minny traded Rubio. Who is going to play PG now? Maybe they have a plan to sign one in free agency.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 6 

Post#634 » by verbal8 » Sat Jul 1, 2017 12:37 am

dckingsfan wrote:
Tricky_Kid wrote:Another interesting move. I wonder if it means DRose to Wolves now?

I think Kyle Lowry?

Teague seems to be biggest rumor. Lowry could make sense.
A trade might be a possibility also.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 6 

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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 6 

Post#636 » by keynote » Sat Jul 1, 2017 1:31 am

Wow. Griffin already re-upped. I know he's all-in on LA (and comedy, and acting, and other stuff for his post-career), but I figured he might kick the tires on a few other teams first.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 6 

Post#637 » by keynote » Sat Jul 1, 2017 1:50 am

George to the Thunder!

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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 6 

Post#638 » by mhd » Sat Jul 1, 2017 1:58 am

WOW, PG13 to OKC. Great deal for them. Oladipo is a meh player signed for way too much.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 6 

Post#639 » by FAH1223 » Sat Jul 1, 2017 2:02 am

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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 6 

Post#640 » by long suffrin' boulez fan » Sat Jul 1, 2017 2:02 am

So OKC turns a backsliding Ibaka into Paul via Oladipo
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