Official Trade Thread - Part XLII

[gambitx777]

I think where the rubbers gonna hit the road is does Beal wanna win or get paid? If he wants the money he's gonna keep his head down till he signs that super max of he wants to win we might get a demand by the deadline. If he wants out I'm looking to trade him for maximum assets. Which I think can be done in a three way with Philly sending Simmons to a team with picks and expendable young talent.

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I agree with this. Sheppard ought to get involved in all Simmons talks. There are presumably a bunch of teams who would trade picks/prospects for Simmons, and Philly would surely trade Simmons for Beal, so a 3-way deal should be out there.

And if not, just trade Beal for Simmons and then try to rebuild Simmons' value some.

Agreed. Take for example:

WAS trade Beal and get Haliburton+Hield+PHI 2022 1st + PHI pick swap (betting on a high future pick due to Embiid injury and Brad being Brad…).
PHI trade Simmons+ PHI 1st + Pick swap and get Beal
SAC trade Haliburton+Hield and get Simmons

We then trade Kuzma to Chicago for their POR 1st (top 14 protected and then seconds) or to NOP for Sato + seconds. And trade Harrell to for example CHA for 2nd round picks.

This could be the beginning of a decent rebuild with a core of Haliburton, Deni, Rui and Gafford surrendered by vets such as Hield and KCP as well as bench pieces including Kispert, Todd, the future picks, and possibly Bryant.

Tommy- are you listening?

Absolut no where near the value you would get from a trade like this. That is a terrible horrible trade l. I would be looking for at least 2 protected picks from Philly or 1 pick and Maxy+Springer and from the third team I'm looking for some young players and 2-4 picks depending on how many extra picks that team has in the war chest.

For example
OKC get bertans and Simmons.
Philly get Beal and dinwidie.
Wizards get a 2023 and 2026 from Philly and 2022, the wizards 2023 first and seconds back, 2024, 2025 from OKC. Green, Maxy and springer from Philly. Favors And one of giddy or Mann and filler from ok.
You need other moves and cuts to balance the team but, a 4th team could be added for filler like the rockets or Orlando.
The wiz reload the war chest. We get several young players to replace Beal, and get rid of bertans and dinwidie in the process. This trade also gets us back the pick we traded in the wall trade and completing the circle to where we basically got ride of wall for free.

A frame work of something like this is what's needed teams like OKC with a boat load of picks and not a ton to show for it on the floor need to consolidate picks eventually. NO is in the same boat and as good as MEM is playing they are as well.

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[nate33]

I agree with this. Sheppard ought to get involved in all Simmons talks. There are presumably a bunch of teams who would trade picks/prospects for Simmons, and Philly would surely trade Simmons for Beal, so a 3-way deal should be out there.

And if not, just trade Beal for Simmons and then try to rebuild Simmons' value some.

Agreed. Take for example:

WAS trade Beal and get Haliburton+Hield+PHI 2022 1st + PHI pick swap (betting on a high future pick due to Embiid injury and Brad being Brad…).
PHI trade Simmons+ PHI 1st + Pick swap and get Beal
SAC trade Haliburton+Hield and get Simmons

We then trade Kuzma to Chicago for their POR 1st (top 14 protected and then seconds) or to NOP for Sato + seconds. And trade Harrell to for example CHA for 2nd round picks.

This could be the beginning of a decent rebuild with a core of Haliburton, Deni, Rui and Gafford surrendered by vets such as Hield and KCP as well as bench pieces including Kispert, Todd, the future picks, and possibly Bryant.

Tommy- are you listening?

Absolut no where near the value you would get from a trade like this. That is a terrible horrible trade l. I would be looking for at least 2 protected picks from Philly or 1 pick and Maxy+Springer and from the third team I'm looking for some young players and 2-4 picks depending on how many extra picks that team has in the war chest.

For example
OKC get bertans and Simmons.
Philly get Beal and dinwidie.
Wizards get a 2023 and 2026 from Philly and 2022, the wizards 2023 first and seconds back, 2024, 2025 from OKC. Green, Maxy and springer from Philly. Favors And one of giddy or Mann and filler from ok.
You need other moves and cuts to balance the team but, a 4th team could be added for filler like the rockets or Orlando.
The wiz reload the war chest. We get several young players to replace Beal, and get rid of bertans and dinwidie in the process. This trade also gets us back the pick we traded in the wall trade and completing the circle to where we basically got ride of wall for free.

A frame work of something like this is what's needed teams like OKC with a boat load of picks and not a ton to show for it on the floor need to consolidate picks eventually. NO is in the same boat and as good as MEM is playing they are as well.

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You are not being realistic. Beal doesn't have enough value to also get us Maxy, Springer, and 6 picks. I can't even tell what picks they're getting back in your scenario. Is it 3 1sts from Philly plus 3 1st from OKC (which are likely to be fairly high)? C'mon son.

Everyone else can see that Beal isn't playing that great and that he wants a supermax next year. That's going to detract from his value.

[FAH1223]

Agreed. Take for example:

WAS trade Beal and get Haliburton+Hield+PHI 2022 1st + PHI pick swap (betting on a high future pick due to Embiid injury and Brad being Brad…).
PHI trade Simmons+ PHI 1st + Pick swap and get Beal
SAC trade Haliburton+Hield and get Simmons

We then trade Kuzma to Chicago for their POR 1st (top 14 protected and then seconds) or to NOP for Sato + seconds. And trade Harrell to for example CHA for 2nd round picks.

This could be the beginning of a decent rebuild with a core of Haliburton, Deni, Rui and Gafford surrendered by vets such as Hield and KCP as well as bench pieces including Kispert, Todd, the future picks, and possibly Bryant.

Tommy- are you listening?

I'd love to get Haliburton. Hield's contract is also one where it declines per year.

[gambitx777]

Agreed. Take for example:

WAS trade Beal and get Haliburton+Hield+PHI 2022 1st + PHI pick swap (betting on a high future pick due to Embiid injury and Brad being Brad…).
PHI trade Simmons+ PHI 1st + Pick swap and get Beal
SAC trade Haliburton+Hield and get Simmons

We then trade Kuzma to Chicago for their POR 1st (top 14 protected and then seconds) or to NOP for Sato + seconds. And trade Harrell to for example CHA for 2nd round picks.

This could be the beginning of a decent rebuild with a core of Haliburton, Deni, Rui and Gafford surrendered by vets such as Hield and KCP as well as bench pieces including Kispert, Todd, the future picks, and possibly Bryant.

Tommy- are you listening?

Absolut no where near the value you would get from a trade like this. That is a terrible horrible trade l. I would be looking for at least 2 protected picks from Philly or 1 pick and Maxy+Springer and from the third team I'm looking for some young players and 2-4 picks depending on how many extra picks that team has in the war chest.

For example
OKC get bertans and Simmons.
Philly get Beal and dinwidie.
Wizards get a 2023 and 2026 from Philly and 2022, the wizards 2023 first and seconds back, 2024, 2025 from OKC. Green, Maxy and springer from Philly. Favors And one of giddy or Mann and filler from ok.
You need other moves and cuts to balance the team but, a 4th team could be added for filler like the rockets or Orlando.
The wiz reload the war chest. We get several young players to replace Beal, and get rid of bertans and dinwidie in the process. This trade also gets us back the pick we traded in the wall trade and completing the circle to where we basically got ride of wall for free.

A frame work of something like this is what's needed teams like OKC with a boat load of picks and not a ton to show for it on the floor need to consolidate picks eventually. NO is in the same boat and as good as MEM is playing they are as well.

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You are not being realistic. Beal doesn't have enough value to also get us Maxy, Springer, and 6 picks. I can't even tell what picks they're getting back in your scenario. Is it 3 1sts from Philly plus 3 1st from OKC (which are likely to be fairly high)? C'mon son.

Everyone else can see that Beal isn't playing that great and that he wants a supermax next year. That's going to detract from his value.

I was pretty clear with what picks were from where, 2 from Philly 2023 and 2026 and 4 from OKC one of which is ours and none of which would be their original pick. That's why I left it as a frame work the picks are debatable because okc has so many and it can be negotiated.

It's a unique situation beals value isn't just beals value it's Philly getting an all star and a starting caliber player for Simmons. They win the war of attrition they get out of the Simmons nightmare with everything they wanted and yes Maxy, Springer and a couple of picks may be a bit much but you add Beal and dinwidie to the team it's a contender hands down.

Also it's unique for OKC they have to consolidate picks sooner or later And 4 picks out of the what 27 extra picks they have is a small price to pay to add what would amount to the best player on their team after the teade.

Sure there is room to haggle and maybe I set the price to high, take out Maxy or tweek it here or there but this scenario I mention is unique and the vale of Beal isn't the only thing at play here. There is a similar case to be made with NO in place of OKC as well. Like I said I'm not holding outright that's the value but there is more to play here that what beals value is. As much as I dump on Simmons. He's worth assets I wouldn't say he's worth a Beal or an all star straight up but assets he's worth a good chunk of this to the correct team in the right situation.

The value we can get from doing a 3 way with Philly and sending them Beal and stuff to send Simmons else where for a package that is fair value for Simmons comm ok ng back to us is exponentially higher than just trading Beal for anything one on one.

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[NYG]

What's the current feeling of Bradley Beal in Washington? Is a pre-deadline trade on the table? If so, is it likely?

[FAH1223]

What's the current feeling of Bradley Beal in Washington? Is a pre-deadline trade on the table? If so, is it likely?

The fan base wants him gone for value

Ted Leonsis wants Brad to be a Bullet for life

[DCZards]

What's the current feeling of Bradley Beal in Washington? Is a pre-deadline trade on the table? If so, is it likely?

The fan base wants him gone for value

Ted Leonsis wants Brad to be a Bullet for life

Not sure you can speak for "the fan base." I think what most of "the fan base" wants is for Beal to start playing like he has the past 2-3 years.

[FAH1223]

What's the current feeling of Bradley Beal in Washington? Is a pre-deadline trade on the table? If so, is it likely?

The fan base wants him gone for value

Ted Leonsis wants Brad to be a Bullet for life

Not sure you can speak for "the fan base." I think what most of "the fan base" wants is for Beal to start playing like he has the past 2-3 years.

Wizards Twitter wants this bamma gone man. He sucks.

Maybe a Simmons and Curry OR Korkmaz for Beal trade is the answer.

[DCZards]

The fan base wants him gone for value

Ted Leonsis wants Brad to be a Bullet for life

Not sure you can speak for "the fan base." I think what most of "the fan base" wants is for Beal to start playing like he has the past 2-3 years.

Wizards Twitter wants this bamma gone man. He sucks.

Maybe a Simmons and Curry OR Korkmaz for Beal trade is the answer.

Twitter = Loudmouths on social media

[payitforward]

Well, first of all, "wants him gone" is pretty disrespectful to a guy who has done absolutely nothing to alienate Wizards fans. The opposite, in fact. He's a solid guy, he's been a terrific player -- can't ask for a better guy to root for.

For the rest... whether he gets traded, gets a supermax, whatever... that'll work itself out. & no matter what it'd be a great if he would, as Zards puts it, "start playing the way he has the past 2-3 years."

[gambitx777]

Well, first of all, "wants him gone" is pretty disrespectful to a guy who has done absolutely nothing to alienate Wizards fans. The opposite, in fact. He's a solid guy, he's been a terrific player -- can't ask for a better guy to root for.

For the rest... whether he gets traded, gets a supermax, whatever... that'll work itself out. & no matter what it'd be a great if he would, as Zards puts it, "start playing the way he has the past 2-3 years."

I don't think anyone wants him gone. But I think some of us are more open to a trade than we were months ago just because he's not playing up to his own standard of play and that standard was debatably worth the max to begin with. So we love brad but a lot of use are starting to read the tea leaves here .


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[FAH1223]

Well, first of all, "wants him gone" is pretty disrespectful to a guy who has done absolutely nothing to alienate Wizards fans. The opposite, in fact. He's a solid guy, he's been a terrific player -- can't ask for a better guy to root for.

For the rest... whether he gets traded, gets a supermax, whatever... that'll work itself out. & no matter what it'd be a great if he would, as Zards puts it, "start playing the way he has the past 2-3 years."

His disgusting play and constant mistakes is alienating plenty Bullets fans.

[payitforward]

I don't think anyone wants him (Beal) gone. But I think some of us are more open to a trade than we were months ago...

I don't understand why anyone would not be "open to a trade" -- of any player at any time. It's just a matter of what you get back in the trade.

&, if "want him gone" means you're willing to take less than he's worth for a player, well... that's a shortcut to nowhere.

I guess, in a way, it's foolish of me to think about it along these lines -- being a fan is an emotional connection. The people who want Beal gone are pretty likely the same as those who over-estimated him in the past. Fans of every team think their players are better than they really are. Fans of every team think their record should be better than it is. Yet, obviously, every team's record can't be better than it is!

Blah blah blah.... Oh well. It'd be nice to go 6-4 in the next ten games so that we can start enjoying the Wizards for what they are -- improved, not great but headed in a good direction. Finally, after many years....

[FAH1223]

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[DCZards]

Well, first of all, "wants him gone" is pretty disrespectful to a guy who has done absolutely nothing to alienate Wizards fans. The opposite, in fact. He's a solid guy, he's been a terrific player -- can't ask for a better guy to root for.

For the rest... whether he gets traded, gets a supermax, whatever... that'll work itself out. & no matter what it'd be a great if he would, as Zards puts it, "start playing the way he has the past 2-3 years."

His disgusting play and constant mistakes is alienating plenty Bullets fans.

BB’s struggles are indeed frustrating and are no doubt turning off Zards fans.

But I believe most fans remember that Beal has been a warrior for the Zards and has carried this team on his back the last few seasons.

For that reason, I don’t think most fans have turned on BB after less than half a season. They simply want the good Beal back.

[nate33]

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For the most part, I don't believe any of these reports. They're probably all being released by Simmons' people to drum up the sense of a bidding war.

The only thing that has changed since the summer is that, come December 15th, more players will be eligible to be included as salary ballast in a Simmons trade.

[queridiculo]

NBA Central is a trash clickbait account, not worth putting any stock into anything they "report".

[pcbothwel]

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Yeah, to me the Knicks seem the most obvious and cant understand why they arent brough up more.
- Win now team that has regressed so far
- Defensive minded coach with a clear hole for a playmaker
- Flailing prospect (Barrett) that needs to be moved
- A bunch of 1st round draft picks

[nate33]

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Yeah, to me the Knicks seem the most obvious and cant understand why they arent brough up more.
- Win now team that has regressed so far
- Defensive minded coach with a clear hole for a playmaker
- Flailing prospect (Barrett) that needs to be moved
- A bunch of 1st round draft picks

But the Sixers aren't interested in those pieces. They need an established wing scorer.

Again, this is where a 3-way with DC could get interesting. Sheppard really ought to be working the phones on this. Incorporating the Wizards into a 3-way Simmons trade makes so much sense.

[Frichuela]

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Yeah, to me the Knicks seem the most obvious and cant understand why they arent brough up more.
- Win now team that has regressed so far
- Defensive minded coach with a clear hole for a playmaker
- Flailing prospect (Barrett) that needs to be moved
- A bunch of 1st round draft picks

But the Sixers aren't interested in those pieces. They need an established wing scorer.

Again, this is where a 3-way with DC could get interesting. Sheppard really ought to be working the phones on this. Incorporating the Wizards into a 3-way Simmons trade makes so much sense.

Agreed. Let's hope Tommy is doing so...I am worried Terd may have vetoed any attempts...