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Bradley Beal - Part IV

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Re: Bradley Beal - Part IV 

Post#621 » by NatP4 » Sat Jul 9, 2022 5:52 pm

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NatP4 wrote:Wall played 9 total seasons for the wizards. Beal has played in 10.

I can count, Nat.
John Wall was drafted in June 2010.
In June 2020 he was still a Wizard. 10 years.

Later that year, in December, he was traded.

Of course, if you're a punk organization like the Wizards, & you want to diss a guy today whom you were all about loving just yesterday, then you do like Ted did &, punk that you are, you don't give that guy his place in your history.


He appeared in 9 seasons. That’s a simple fact. It’s an accomplishment to play 10 seasons for a team. Ted is not insulting Wall by pointing that out. You’re just being a petulant child and looking for something to criticize per usual.
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Post#622 » by Kanyewest » Sat Jul 9, 2022 5:53 pm

Wall technically was a Wizard for 10 seasons but didn't suit up to play in 2019-20. Was it a diss- maybe but maybe just a technicality.

1- 2010-11
2- 2011-12
3- 2012-13
4- 2013-14
5- 2014-15
6- 2015-16
7- 2016-17
8- 2017-18
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Post#624 » by Jay81 » Sat Jul 9, 2022 8:12 pm

Dave johnson ruined that press conference with just being ridiculously corny. He may be a worse homer...Fanboy...than Chris miller
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Post#625 » by payitforward » Sat Jul 9, 2022 8:31 pm

NatP4 wrote:
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NatP4 wrote:Wall played 9 total seasons for the wizards. Beal has played in 10.

I can count, Nat.
John Wall was drafted in June 2010.
In June 2020 he was still a Wizard. 10 years.

Later that year, in December, he was traded.

Of course, if you're a punk organization like the Wizards, & you want to diss a guy today whom you were all about loving just yesterday, then you do like Ted did &, punk that you are, you don't give that guy his place in your history.

He appeared in 9 seasons. That’s a simple fact. It’s an accomplishment to play 10 seasons for a team. Ted is not insulting Wall by pointing that out. You’re just being a petulant child and looking for something to criticize per usual.

Dude... did I call you a name? :)

Not interested in arguing. More interested in your observation that Devon Dotson was a nice pick up for us -- good for you for featuring him.
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Post#626 » by Kanyewest » Mon Jul 11, 2022 6:45 pm

Bradley Beal listed as the 43rd best trade value in the NBA according to Bill Simmons

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Honorable Mentions:

Name Contract
Kyle Kuzma 3-year $26 million
Jaden McDaniels 2-year $6.5 million
Alex Caruso 3-year $28.4 million
Nikola Vucevic 1-year $22 million
Gary Trent Jr. 2-year $36.1 million
John Collins 4-year $102 million
C.J. McCollum 2-year $69.1 million
Bennedict Mathurin 4-year $29.9 million
De'Aaron Fox 4-year $134.9 million
Wendell Carter 4-year $50 million
Robert Williams 4-year $48 million
Seth Curry 1-year $8.5 million
Anfernee Simons 4-year $100 million
Lu Dort 5-year $82.5 million
Dillon Brooks 1-year $11.4 million
Draymond Green 2-year $53.4 million
Jonathon Kuminga 3-year $19.4 million


Group L: Quality Starters, a Little Expensive:

Name Contract
64. OG Anunoby 3-year $55.9 million
63. Deandre Ayton unknown
62. Jarrett Allen 4-year $80 million
61. Fred VanVleet 2-year $44.1 million
60. DeMar DeRozan 2-year $55.9 million
59. Domantas Sabonis 2-year $37.9 million


Group K: The Upside Gang (28:15):

Name Contract
58. Keegan Murray 4-year $36.4 million
57. Tyrese Haliburton 2-year $10.1 million
56. Tyrese Maxey 2-year $7.1 million
55. RJ Barrett 1-year $10.9 million
54. Jaren Jackson Jr. 4-year $104.7 million
53. Franz Wagner 3-year $17.8 million
52. Josh Giddey 3-year $21.2 million


Group J: The Ginobilis (31:32):

Name Contract
51. Tyler Herro 1-year $5.7 million
50. Jordan Poole 1-year $3.9 million
49. Desmond Bane 2-year $6 million
48. Marcus Shmart 4-year $76.5 million
47. Herb Jones* 2-year $3.6 million
46. Jalen Brunson 4-year $104 million
45. Andrew Wiggins 1-year $33.6 million
44. Mikal Bridges 4-year $90 million


Group I: The Westbrooks (38:27):

Name Contract
43. Bradley Beal 5-year $251 million
42. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander 5-year $179.3 million
41. Jaden Ivey 4-year $32.9 million
40. Dejounte Murray 2-year $34.3 million


Group H: Sorry, He's Worth More to Us Than You (41:51):

Name Contract
39. Chris Paul 3-year $89.2 million
38. Dame Lillard 5-year $258.7 million
37. Kris Middleton 2-year $78.3 million
36. Jamal Murray 3-year $101.5 million
35. LeBron James 1-year $44.5 million


Group G: Too Young, Too Cheap, Too Good, Please Stop Calling(48:33):

Name Contract
34. LaMelo Ball 2-year $19.5 million
33. Jabari Smith 4-year $40.3 million
32. Jalen Green 3- year $31.8 million
31. Darius Garland 1-year $8.9 million
30. Paolo Banchero 4-year $50.2 million
29. Chet Holmgren 4-year $44.9 million


Group F: If You Tell Woj, I'll Deny it to the Death, But I'm Listening (53:14):

Name Contract
28. Zach LaVine 5-year $215.2 million
27. Donovan Mitchell 4-year $134.9 million
26. Rudy Gobert 4-year $169.7 million
25. Karl-Anthony Towns 6-year $294.1 million
24. Kawhi Leonard 3-year $136.9 million
23. Zion Williamson 6-year $206.4 million


Group E: Let Me Save You Some Time, N-O (1:01:06):

Name Contract
22. Brandon Ingram 3-year $101.5 million
21. Pascal Siakam 2-year $73.3 million
20. Jrue Holiday 3-year $103.8 million
19. Jaylen Brown 2-year $59.5 million
18. Bam Adebayo 4-year $134.9 million


Group D: True Franchise Guys (1:06:54):

Name Contract
17. Trae Young 5-year $215.2 million
16. Scottie Barnes 3-year $25.8 million
15. Cade Cunningham 3-year $35.5 million
14. Paul George 3-year $136.9 million
13. Jimmy Butler 4-year $184.1 million
12. Anthony Davis 3-year $121 million
11. Devin Booker 6-year $294.1 million


Group C: We're NotTrading Him (But, Make Us An Offer) (1:18:31):

Name Contract
10. Kevin Durant 4-year $194.2 million


Group B: The Untouchables (1:19:33):

Name Contract
9. Anthony Edwards 2-year $24.4 million
8. Evan Mobley 3-year $28.6 million
7. Jayson Tatum 4-year $134.9 million
6. Joel Embiid 5-year $229.5 million
5. Ja Morant 6-year $205 million


Group A: Completely Utterly Untouchable (Don't Even Call) (1:25:55):

Name Contract
4. Steph Curry 4-year $215.4 million
3. Nikola Jokic 6-year $302.5 million
2. Luka Doncic 5-year $215.2 million
1. Giannis Antetokounmpo 4-year $188.9 million


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Re: Bradley Beal - Part IV 

Post#627 » by FAH1223 » Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:40 am

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LAS VEGAS — John Wall cried copious tears when he got generational money in 2017, the impact of the largesse of his $170 million contract extension on him and his family obvious on his face. Bradley Beal was, as is his nature, more circumspect Friday.

“This is the good. But it’s also, it’s kind of a weird time, too, just (because of) the climate of the world right now,” Beal said at his news conference in Washington to formally announce his re-signing with the Wizards for five years and $250 million.

“It’s very tough for me to be super excited, right?” Beal said. “We have Brittney Griner in Russia, still. Highland Park, just lost six or seven lives. My hometown, St. Louis, from July 1 to July 5, there were 22 shootings. That was tough. It was three or four days. It’s a celebratory moment for my family, but it’s tough when I look at my two sons right here. I have to figure out, how do they come up in this world today? It’s unpredictable at this point.”

It was bracing to see Beal not be all sweetness and light, even as he totes a quarter bill out of the Wizards’ coffers. These are troubling times, even as Beal’s kids will never, ever have to work a day in their lives. (This bothers Beal as much as it fortifies him, as it would, or should, any father.) And it was encouraging, if you’re a Wizards fan.

It would have been easy for Beal to crack jokes and keep it breezy. But he’s always been sober, about everything — his game, the Wizards organization, the world around him. And that sobriety will serve Washington well now that the 29-year-old is locked in for at least the next four years — he has both a fifth-year player option — and, famously, a no-trade clause in his new deal. The work isn’t done.

For one day, though, Wizards fans could accept without comment or cynicism the three-time All-Star’s notion that he wants to play in D.C. for the entirety of his career. And before considering anything else, they should celebrate that. It rarely works that way around here for impactful players, whether it’s because the grass is deemed greener elsewhere (Bryce Harper, Anthony Rendon) or because of injury (Robert Griffin III, Wall) or because they age out of greatness (Braden Holtby) or because … Gilbert Arenas.

But Beal has said, for years, that he wants to be in D.C. His work in the community has been as deep as Wall’s was, and it has come from the same honest place. There is, surely, reason to be doubtful about this, to say it’s only about the money, or that Beal isn’t a top-10 player in the league. But don’t dismiss that (a) if he’s not a first-team All-NBA talent, Beal is, still, pretty damn elite, and (b) he has a genuine love for the city. He could have made stupid money anywhere — less than he will by staying, to be sure. But, really: At his level, what functional difference in Beal’s life would there be between taking $190 million and $250 million?

Can we not accept that it might have not just been the check that kept him here?


“I’m beyond excited that I made the decision that I made, and I’m happy, and I’m at peace with it,” Beal said. “This city has loved me through the ups and downs, through moments in which I was injured and ‘injury-prone’ was my label. Through me pushing through that, playing 82 games in numerous years, and being an All-Star, making All-NBA. These are all things that a lot of people didn’t think I could achieve. I look at myself, and I probably didn’t think I could. But I pushed myself. And the organization pushed me.”

Beal is here now, and he’s going to be here as long as he wants. (Personally, I don’t care much about the no-trade clause. If it helped the Wizards land the plane and get his signature on the dotted line, fine. It gives Beal some control over where he wants to go, but that would be the case without one, too. If players want to leave, they usually get accommodated — and almost always where they desire to be. The Pelicans could have gotten a lot from Boston for Anthony Davis, but they knew he wanted to go to L.A. He wound up in L.A.)

So, what happens now? How do Beal, and Tommy Sheppard — and, most important, Ted Leonsis — get this franchise back among the living and breathing contenders, in the Eastern Conference and the league in general?

Incrementalism in the NBA tends to help people keep their jobs, not compete for rings. But you have to be willfully obtuse not to acknowledge that the Wizards’ roster is light years better since Sheppard took over in 2019. Washington’s starting five to open the 2019-20 season was Ish Smith at the point, Beal at the two, my man Isaac Bonga at the three, rookie Rui Hachimura at the four and Thomas Bryant at center. The bench consisted of Dāvis Bertāns, Jordan McRae, Chris Chiozza, Mo Wagner, Admiral Schofield, Garrison Matthews and Justin Robinson. Isaiah Thomas, rehabbing a thumb injury, was a DNP.

Next season, the Wizards’ projected starting five will be newly acquired point guard Monté Morris, Beal, 2021 first-round pick Corey Kispert or Will Barton (who came in the Denver trade with Morris for Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and Smith), Kyle Kuzma and Kristaps Porziņģis. The bench will be Delon Wright, Barton or Kispert, 2022 first-rounder Johnny Davis, Hachimura, Deni Avdija and Daniel Gafford.

The 2022-23 group is much better.

As this lineup has never played together, we can’t say with any certainty what its ceiling will be. But here’s the current top six in the East: Boston, Miami, Milwaukee, Philadelphia, Toronto and Atlanta. (Brooklyn is in its own amorphous category until the Kevin Durant saga is resolved.) Washington’s not better than any of those teams. For that matter, are the Wizards, right now, better than Cleveland or Chicago or Charlotte? The fact that you can’t answer that definitively tells you exactly where the Wizards really are.

This also directly involves Leonsis. The Wizards have only paid the luxury tax once since he became the team’s primary owner in 2010. Of course, you have to have a team with multiple great players to be worth going into the tax, and the Wizards don’t yet have those. And paying the tax isn’t in and of itself an arbiter of a team’s, or owner’s, commitment.

But if and when the Wizards ever become good, or add another star to play with Beal and Porziņģis (or Beal and Kuzma, or Beal and whomever), paying the tax will become unavoidable.

No one’s saying the Wizards have to be the Warriors on this subject, but Golden State’s co-governors, Joe Lacob and Peter Guber, continue to prove that ultra-rich guys can operate their teams at a financial deficit in service to winning.

“When we think we have a chance, we’re going to do whatever we can afford to do, as far as we can go,” Lacob said last month in Boston after the Warriors won their fourth title under his stewardship. “Fortunately, we’ve got a very good business and business group that generates revenue, that we tend to spend it all and make no money. People don’t believe that. We actually (lost) money this year. But we’re going to spend whatever we can as long as we have a chance to win. If I didn’t think we had a chance to win, I wouldn’t do that.”

If a governor doesn’t want to pay the tax as a matter of principle or philosophy, that’s fine. They write the checks, and assume the staggering costs of running billion-dollar businesses.

But at least say that publicly, and out loud, so that your ticket-buying public has better information upon which it can decide whether to support your product.

Asked about the tax Friday, Leonsis wouldn’t commit to paying it down the road. He spoke instead about his other teams – about the Capitals’ 2018 Stanley Cup title, and the Mystics’ 2019 WNBA title, and Wizards District Gaming (!), which has won consecutive titles in the NBA’s 2K League. (I’m not denigrating it. Maybe lots of you are diehard WDG fans. Just not my lane.) Leonsis also threw in his now-defunct Arena Football League team, which won the 2018 AFL title. He said the Wizards have significantly improved their health and training groups and other infrastructure surrounding the team.

“I’ve said ‘no’ to nothing,” Leonsis said of the Wizards.

All of that is, as Ron Rivera would say, interesting. But not important to Wizards fans. What’s important is four decades without having a legit NBA title contender on the floor, and what you’re going to do to remedy that.

Leonsis did say this: “We know the NBA is about stars. And keeping your stars is like signing a great free agent. We’d love to see how Brad plays with Porziņģis. These are very, very skilled, very unique players. We think that will be a good tandem. And, as Brad mentioned, having Kuzma, having Gafford — who now can focus on rebounding and defense — and then bringing in a group of real professionals, real NBA-grade players, like Barton and Monté and Delon, it’s just a way to rebuild the team while you’re participating in showing everyone that you want to win. And I don’t buy into you have to either win a championship or you have to blow the team up and rebuild it.

“I think you improve by having your young players take the next step up. I think you can improve by having your players on the floor. We shouldn’t forget that Brad missed half the season last year. it’s very difficult to perform at high levels when you don’t have your star players, highest-paid players, on the floor. And so we’re going to do everything we can to make that mix right. And we’re a free agent away.”

This is where Beal has to — has to — become the franchise’s closer beyond the floor. The NBA is, to some degree, about markets, and lifestyle, and the coach, and how big a player’s individual locker space is, and whether stars can thumbprint their way into the practice facility whenever they want to get up shots.

But, mostly, it’s about which stars want to play with each other.

The organization continually says Washington is a destination. Well, prove it. Let’s see if Beal can persuade a difference-making player to come here and help him steer this boat.

Beal is respected as a player. His brethren, including those highest-profile ones who were on the 2020 Olympic team with him, know he’s not a jerk. So lean in on that networking. Let’s see if Beal can reel in a fish at his level, or bigger. Far fewer will care about his paycheck if he gets this franchise up on its feet again.

(Note: an earlier version of this story said the Wizards have never paid the luxury tax since Ted Leonsis became majority owner of the team in 2010. The team did pay the tax once, in 2017-18.)
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part IV 

Post#628 » by closg00 » Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:06 pm

Always enjoy his content, Ted/Tommy are the leagues worst, you will need a strong stomach to read the comments.
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Post#629 » by payitforward » Wed Jul 13, 2022 2:32 am

That Aldridge piece reads like puff from the Wizards PR department, & every word Ted is quoted as saying makes one feel less optimistic not more.
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Post#630 » by PaulinVA » Wed Jul 13, 2022 2:58 pm

A more rational approach would have been to put the no-trade clause on the table in return for some other consideration, like Beal taking less than the max or a partially guaranteed fifth year. They could have asked to eliminate his trade kicker or not grant him a player option in the final season. Something.

Instead, Beal’s side took every single thing off the table and gave nothing back.

“At least leave the salt shakers,” one rival exec joked to The Athletic.


And that's the silver linings part of the column.

https://theathletic.com/3418290/2022/07/13/beal-lillard-contracts-wizards-blazers/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983
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Post#631 » by queridiculo » Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:20 pm

payitforward wrote:That Aldridge piece reads like puff from the Wizards PR department, & every word Ted is quoted as saying makes one feel less optimistic not more.


Asked about the tax Friday, Leonsis wouldn’t commit to paying it down the road. He spoke instead about his other teams – about the Capitals’ 2018 Stanley Cup title, and the Mystics’ 2019 WNBA title, and Wizards District Gaming (!), which has won consecutive titles in the NBA’s 2K League. (I’m not denigrating it. Maybe lots of you are diehard WDG fans. Just not my lane.) Leonsis also threw in his now-defunct Arena Football League team, which won the 2018 AFL title. He said the Wizards have significantly improved their health and training groups and other infrastructure surrounding the team.


Serious urinal cake vibes in this one.

“I’ve said ‘no’ to nothing,” Leonsis said of the Wizards.


Except for tanking, and building the team the right way.
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Post#632 » by mhd » Wed Jul 13, 2022 4:08 pm

PaulinVA wrote:A more rational approach would have been to put the no-trade clause on the table in return for some other consideration, like Beal taking less than the max or a partially guaranteed fifth year. They could have asked to eliminate his trade kicker or not grant him a player option in the final season. Something.

Instead, Beal’s side took every single thing off the table and gave nothing back.

“At least leave the salt shakers,” one rival exec joked to The Athletic.


And that's the silver linings part of the column.

https://theathletic.com/3418290/2022/07/13/beal-lillard-contracts-wizards-blazers/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983



OUTSTANDING Article by Hollinger. Just DESTROYS the organization. We are the joke of the NBA.
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Post#633 » by closg00 » Wed Jul 13, 2022 4:50 pm

mhd wrote:
PaulinVA wrote:A more rational approach would have been to put the no-trade clause on the table in return for some other consideration, like Beal taking less than the max or a partially guaranteed fifth year. They could have asked to eliminate his trade kicker or not grant him a player option in the final season. Something.

Instead, Beal’s side took every single thing off the table and gave nothing back.

“At least leave the salt shakers,” one rival exec joked to The Athletic.


And that's the silver linings part of the column.

https://theathletic.com/3418290/2022/07/13/beal-lillard-contracts-wizards-blazers/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983



OUTSTANDING Article by Hollinger. Just DESTROYS the organization. We are the joke of the NBA.


Ted & Tommy are the cuckold of the NBA, they don't appear to be capable of embarrassment, or humiliation
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part IV 

Post#634 » by Frichuela » Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:05 pm

closg00 wrote:
mhd wrote:
PaulinVA wrote:A more rational approach would have been to put the no-trade clause on the table in return for some other consideration, like Beal taking less than the max or a partially guaranteed fifth year. They could have asked to eliminate his trade kicker or not grant him a player option in the final season. Something.

Instead, Beal’s side took every single thing off the table and gave nothing back.

“At least leave the salt shakers,” one rival exec joked to The Athletic.


And that's the silver linings part of the column.

https://theathletic.com/3418290/2022/07/13/beal-lillard-contracts-wizards-blazers/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983



OUTSTANDING Article by Hollinger. Just DESTROYS the organization. We are the joke of the NBA.


Ted & Tommy are the cuckold of the NBA, they don't appear to be capable of embarrassment, or humiliation


100%. Let's not sugar coat it, as long as Terd is at the helm, this franchise has a guaranteed low ceiling. Perpetual mediocrity :banghead:
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part IV 

Post#635 » by PaulinVA » Wed Jul 13, 2022 8:40 pm

mhd wrote:
PaulinVA wrote:A more rational approach would have been to put the no-trade clause on the table in return for some other consideration, like Beal taking less than the max or a partially guaranteed fifth year. They could have asked to eliminate his trade kicker or not grant him a player option in the final season. Something.

Instead, Beal’s side took every single thing off the table and gave nothing back.

“At least leave the salt shakers,” one rival exec joked to The Athletic.


And that's the silver linings part of the column.

https://theathletic.com/3418290/2022/07/13/beal-lillard-contracts-wizards-blazers/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983



OUTSTANDING Article by Hollinger. Just DESTROYS the organization. We are the joke of the NBA.


Agreed, and he did it very eloquently and professionally. No emotion whatsoever; just a succinct, brutal beatdown, but with class.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part IV 

Post#636 » by payitforward » Wed Jul 13, 2022 9:07 pm

Hollinger's piece is on the money in every respect.

As bad as things were last week (month, year, decade) they will be even worse, much worse, next week (month, year, decade).
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part IV 

Post#637 » by payitforward » Wed Jul 13, 2022 9:12 pm

Oh what the h#ll, here's the whole article -- read it & weep:

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When it comes to superstar contract talks, some teams negotiate … and others capitulate. The differences in the implications for their franchises couldn’t be more profound, as we’ve seen in the last week especially. Most notably for the Portland Trail Blazers and Washington Wizards, it could mark a regrettable turning point in their franchise timelines.

Let’s start at the top. You might not have noticed it in the wake of the mind-gobbling sums of money in the headlines, but an important thing happened in the $193 million max contract extensions for both Zion Williamson and Ja Morant: They did not contain fifth-year player options. A similar thing happened a year ago with Brooklyn’s rich extension to Kevin Durant.

Contrast those deals with the recent cases of Bradley Beal and Damian Lillard — where it almost felt like the teams handed over pens and let the players fill in whatever — and the difference becomes obvious. It’s the difference between negotiation for mutual benefit and total surrender.

At heart, the symbiotic relationship between player and team is obvious: The team gets something incredibly valuable (the services of the player in question), and the player gets a giant wad of cash in return. The entire negotiating game is to figure out how long those services will be rendered and how high the mountain of cash will be.

The NBA’s collective bargaining agreement further narrows the field of play, mostly by setting a maximum contract that caps how much a player can earn. While these numbers can seem mind-bogglingly large, the reality is that they still significantly undervalue superstars.

For instance, my BORD$ formula has Giannis Antetokounmpo worth $83 million this year. He’ll make barely half this ($42.5 million) despite the Bucks paying him every single cent they possibly can.

But regardless of whether the player is the game’s biggest superstar or the worst player in the league, contract talks are essentially the same: a game of give-and-take with the giving and taking framed by the leverage owned by each side. While it’s true that players have most of the power, capitulation is an extreme response.

Understanding those leverage points, what they mean and how viable the alternatives are underscores the difference between “negotiation” — the art of teams acting in their own best interests — and “capitulation,” which fakes doing the same so everyone can pump their chests at the news conference.
For example, look at Memphis’ deal with Morant. The Grizzlies gave him everything they could financially in return for one very specific thing that was the most valuable piece for them: Having Morant under contract for the full five years of his extension.

Morant will be supermax eligible (which can take his contract value to $231 million) and has a 15 percent trade kicker on top of it. He projects to be worth every cent of it, but retaining his rights for six more years instead of five slows the clock on any wandering eye. It also sets up Memphis to give him a supermax extension while he still has two years left on his deal in 2026.

Similarly, Williamson’s deal with New Orleans ensures his continued presence on the roster for the maximum duration and also reportedly includes protections for the Pelicans based on games played. His was a trickier negotiation given his spotty availability over the past three seasons, but New Orleans didn’t roll over.

And then there’s Brooklyn, a team that learned the hard way that handing over the franchise to its superstar players isn’t the way to go. The Nets belatedly took a harder line, starting with Durant’s option-free extension and moving into their refusal to commit to paying Kyrie Irving.

Alas, the Blazers and Wizards are still learning that lesson. It’s been clear the best pathway forward for each team would be to trade their All-Star guards for Rudy Gobert-esque hauls of players and picks. While Lillard and Beal are capable of playing for many more years, they are likely at the tail end of their peak seasons.

Instead, each team has more or less surrendered, locking into outsized deals that will pay them well into their decline phases, all to win a bidding war against — checks notes — nobody. Portland signed off on a two-year, $122 million max extension for Lillard that will pay him $63 million in 2026-27, when he’s 36, despite being under absolutely no pressure to do this. Lillard was already signed through 2025 and was coming off an injury-plagued season.

In addition to the obvious cap-killing element, the contract also likely nukes much of Lillard’s trade value should the Blazers decide to change direction (or if Lillard himself decides he wants out). Given the uphill battle this team faces to get back into the West’s top six, that seems like a non-trivial point. For good measure, the Blazers also signed fellow Aaron Goodwin client Gary Payton II for three years and $28 million; it’s hard to imagine this was coincidental.

Even that, however, pales in comparison to what Washington did with Beal. As with Lillard, the Wizards would have been better off trading him two years ago rather than chasing the eighth seed every season. As with Lillard, the Wizards capitulated in giving him a five-year max that will likely leave him wildly overpaid by the end of the deal.

Unlike Portland, Washington also ensured that there is almost no way of a happy resolution on this contract’s endgame by also giving Beal a no-trade clause. Forget any Gobert-type exit strategies now; Beal can blow up any trade that’s too advantageous for the Wizards.

Instead, the deal locks Washington into another half-decade of chasing 39-win seasons. For a franchise that has won more than 46 games in a season exactly one time since 1979, it’s the continuation of an approach one might describe as “aggressively unambitious.” One that theoretically opposes tanking but inadvertently ends up there once or twice a decade anyway.

It’s also something the Wizards have tried, again and again and again, to extremely limited effect. It’s been 13 years since they passed on drafting Steph Curry to trade for Mike Miller and Randy Foye to “load up” for a chase at the No. 8 seed; they ended up going 26-56. The nameplates on the offices have changed, but nothing about the overarching mindset seems any different. You still feel like somebody is going to pull you aside and explain that they were first in the Eastern Conference before Caron Butler got hurt.

This takes us to Beal. Washington could have easily escaped its most recent HIIT session on the treadmill of mediocrity by trading him two years ago. He could have commanded a Jrue Holiday-esque haul of prospects and picks at the very least. On a good day, maybe it would have even been in Gobert territory. With just a light sprinkling of lottery fairy dust, Washington could look like Memphis right now.
Instead, Washington committed to a five-year deal that paid him $70 million more than any other team could pay him, even though there were no contenders with cap space scenarios to lure him away.
And then they added the no-trade clause.

Wizards owner Ted Leonsis describes the no-trade clause as a “point of partnership.” In reality, it was a term of surrender. You can tell almost immediately that the no-trade clause was a bad idea based on the fact that nobody else does this, even for players who are far better than Beal. The last player to have a clause like this was Carmelo Anthony with the Knicks, and I’m not sure that’s the franchise model to emulate.

Dallas did the same for Dirk Nowitzki but only because he agreed to take less than he could have otherwise. Again, it was part of the give-and-take of an actual contract negotiation where the Mavs got something back.

In contrast, the only thing the Wizards got out of it was the ability to beat their chests about a Wizard for life (one hopes the sentence can be commuted).

A more rational approach would have been to put the no-trade clause on the table in return for some other consideration, like Beal taking less than the max or a partially guaranteed fifth year. They could have asked to eliminate his trade kicker or not grant him a player option in the final season. Something.
Instead, Beal’s side took every single thing off the table and gave nothing back.

“At least leave the salt shakers,” one rival exec joked to The Athletic.

And now there’s a sword of Damocles that will hang over the organization for the next half-decade. The one light-at-the-end-of-the-tunnel moment though for many Wizards fans when Beal’s initial extension was announced was the idea that at some point they might be able to find some sucker in another city to take the contract off their hands and execute a proper rebuild. With the no-trade clause, that gets massively harder. Beal can stop any attempted rebuild in its tracks.

And for what? To secure the services of the league’s 27th-best player (or whatever he is) for the next half-decade, as he presumably begins a further slide down the list from ages 29 to 33 (the duration of the contract).

Yes, his age matters; the odds of the back end of this deal getting ugly are much worse than you might think. Everyone brings up that some players have played well until their mid-30s (Steph Curry just won a title at 34!) and ignores that these are the exceptions.

A far greater sum of similarly talented players to Beal turned sharply south between ages 29 and 33: Blake Griffin (33), Russell Westbrook (33), Gordon Hayward (32), Eric Bledsoe (32), Kemba Walker (32) and Nikola Vucević (31). They all felt like safe bets when they signed their last big contracts in their late 20s.
Or say, John Wall, who hasn’t even turned 32 yet.

Ah yes, Wall. That’s what makes the team’s decision tree on Beal so mind-boggling: Washington just finished extricating itself from almost the same mess with Wall. In 2017, the Wizards granted a needless extension two years ahead of time to max out a good-but-not-quite-great player, right as he hit the hands-in-the-air part of the aging curve roller coaster. Sure, they were unlucky with his Achilles injury, but this was destined to be a bad contract the second the ink was dry.

Now, the Sisyphean task starts over. Over the past two years, Washington’s front office has done amazing work to extricate itself from under the boulder that was the league’s worst contract. Somehow, some way, they turned Wall into Monte Morris, Kristaps Porzingis and Kyle Kuzma, and it didn’t even cost them much in draft capital. All that earned the Wizards was the ability to try it again in a few years with Beal after a couple more years of muddling toward the Play-In Tournament and with a double-parked no-trade clause blocking their best exit route.

The Blazers are in similar straits, trying to rebuild for a win-now run at something — we’re not sure what — after turning CJ McCollum, Norman Powell and Robert Covington into Jerami Grant, Josh Hart and Payton. In the meantime, Washington’s most valuable contract may have just morphed into its least tradeable deal.

If there’s good news, it’s that it will take some time for the ticking from these contractual time bombs to become ear-splittingly loud. Beal and Lillard should still be in the All-Star conversation this season, so the Blazers and Wizards can muddle along as if things are peachy.

On the court, nothing will seem amiss. While you wouldn’t favor either of them to make the postseason, it wouldn’t be shocking to see one or both crash the playoff party as No. 7 or 8 seeds.

The problem is that each team left itself in a much worse position to accomplish anything beyond that, leaving real value on the table to claim Pyrrhic victories that will likely haunt them in the second half of this decade.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part IV 

Post#638 » by Kanyewest » Thu Jul 14, 2022 1:40 am

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Re: Bradley Beal - Part IV 

Post#639 » by AFM » Thu Jul 14, 2022 2:39 am

payitforward wrote:Oh what the h#ll, here's the whole article -- read it & weep:

Spoiler:
When it comes to superstar contract talks, some teams negotiate … and others capitulate. The differences in the implications for their franchises couldn’t be more profound, as we’ve seen in the last week especially. Most notably for the Portland Trail Blazers and Washington Wizards, it could mark a regrettable turning point in their franchise timelines.

Let’s start at the top. You might not have noticed it in the wake of the mind-gobbling sums of money in the headlines, but an important thing happened in the $193 million max contract extensions for both Zion Williamson and Ja Morant: They did not contain fifth-year player options. A similar thing happened a year ago with Brooklyn’s rich extension to Kevin Durant.

Contrast those deals with the recent cases of Bradley Beal and Damian Lillard — where it almost felt like the teams handed over pens and let the players fill in whatever — and the difference becomes obvious. It’s the difference between negotiation for mutual benefit and total surrender.

At heart, the symbiotic relationship between player and team is obvious: The team gets something incredibly valuable (the services of the player in question), and the player gets a giant wad of cash in return. The entire negotiating game is to figure out how long those services will be rendered and how high the mountain of cash will be.

The NBA’s collective bargaining agreement further narrows the field of play, mostly by setting a maximum contract that caps how much a player can earn. While these numbers can seem mind-bogglingly large, the reality is that they still significantly undervalue superstars.

For instance, my BORD$ formula has Giannis Antetokounmpo worth $83 million this year. He’ll make barely half this ($42.5 million) despite the Bucks paying him every single cent they possibly can.

But regardless of whether the player is the game’s biggest superstar or the worst player in the league, contract talks are essentially the same: a game of give-and-take with the giving and taking framed by the leverage owned by each side. While it’s true that players have most of the power, capitulation is an extreme response.

Understanding those leverage points, what they mean and how viable the alternatives are underscores the difference between “negotiation” — the art of teams acting in their own best interests — and “capitulation,” which fakes doing the same so everyone can pump their chests at the news conference.
For example, look at Memphis’ deal with Morant. The Grizzlies gave him everything they could financially in return for one very specific thing that was the most valuable piece for them: Having Morant under contract for the full five years of his extension.

Morant will be supermax eligible (which can take his contract value to $231 million) and has a 15 percent trade kicker on top of it. He projects to be worth every cent of it, but retaining his rights for six more years instead of five slows the clock on any wandering eye. It also sets up Memphis to give him a supermax extension while he still has two years left on his deal in 2026.

Similarly, Williamson’s deal with New Orleans ensures his continued presence on the roster for the maximum duration and also reportedly includes protections for the Pelicans based on games played. His was a trickier negotiation given his spotty availability over the past three seasons, but New Orleans didn’t roll over.

And then there’s Brooklyn, a team that learned the hard way that handing over the franchise to its superstar players isn’t the way to go. The Nets belatedly took a harder line, starting with Durant’s option-free extension and moving into their refusal to commit to paying Kyrie Irving.

Alas, the Blazers and Wizards are still learning that lesson. It’s been clear the best pathway forward for each team would be to trade their All-Star guards for Rudy Gobert-esque hauls of players and picks. While Lillard and Beal are capable of playing for many more years, they are likely at the tail end of their peak seasons.

Instead, each team has more or less surrendered, locking into outsized deals that will pay them well into their decline phases, all to win a bidding war against — checks notes — nobody. Portland signed off on a two-year, $122 million max extension for Lillard that will pay him $63 million in 2026-27, when he’s 36, despite being under absolutely no pressure to do this. Lillard was already signed through 2025 and was coming off an injury-plagued season.

In addition to the obvious cap-killing element, the contract also likely nukes much of Lillard’s trade value should the Blazers decide to change direction (or if Lillard himself decides he wants out). Given the uphill battle this team faces to get back into the West’s top six, that seems like a non-trivial point. For good measure, the Blazers also signed fellow Aaron Goodwin client Gary Payton II for three years and $28 million; it’s hard to imagine this was coincidental.

Even that, however, pales in comparison to what Washington did with Beal. As with Lillard, the Wizards would have been better off trading him two years ago rather than chasing the eighth seed every season. As with Lillard, the Wizards capitulated in giving him a five-year max that will likely leave him wildly overpaid by the end of the deal.

Unlike Portland, Washington also ensured that there is almost no way of a happy resolution on this contract’s endgame by also giving Beal a no-trade clause. Forget any Gobert-type exit strategies now; Beal can blow up any trade that’s too advantageous for the Wizards.

Instead, the deal locks Washington into another half-decade of chasing 39-win seasons. For a franchise that has won more than 46 games in a season exactly one time since 1979, it’s the continuation of an approach one might describe as “aggressively unambitious.” One that theoretically opposes tanking but inadvertently ends up there once or twice a decade anyway.

It’s also something the Wizards have tried, again and again and again, to extremely limited effect. It’s been 13 years since they passed on drafting Steph Curry to trade for Mike Miller and Randy Foye to “load up” for a chase at the No. 8 seed; they ended up going 26-56. The nameplates on the offices have changed, but nothing about the overarching mindset seems any different. You still feel like somebody is going to pull you aside and explain that they were first in the Eastern Conference before Caron Butler got hurt.

This takes us to Beal. Washington could have easily escaped its most recent HIIT session on the treadmill of mediocrity by trading him two years ago. He could have commanded a Jrue Holiday-esque haul of prospects and picks at the very least. On a good day, maybe it would have even been in Gobert territory. With just a light sprinkling of lottery fairy dust, Washington could look like Memphis right now.
Instead, Washington committed to a five-year deal that paid him $70 million more than any other team could pay him, even though there were no contenders with cap space scenarios to lure him away.
And then they added the no-trade clause.

Wizards owner Ted Leonsis describes the no-trade clause as a “point of partnership.” In reality, it was a term of surrender. You can tell almost immediately that the no-trade clause was a bad idea based on the fact that nobody else does this, even for players who are far better than Beal. The last player to have a clause like this was Carmelo Anthony with the Knicks, and I’m not sure that’s the franchise model to emulate.

Dallas did the same for Dirk Nowitzki but only because he agreed to take less than he could have otherwise. Again, it was part of the give-and-take of an actual contract negotiation where the Mavs got something back.

In contrast, the only thing the Wizards got out of it was the ability to beat their chests about a Wizard for life (one hopes the sentence can be commuted).

A more rational approach would have been to put the no-trade clause on the table in return for some other consideration, like Beal taking less than the max or a partially guaranteed fifth year. They could have asked to eliminate his trade kicker or not grant him a player option in the final season. Something.
Instead, Beal’s side took every single thing off the table and gave nothing back.

“At least leave the salt shakers,” one rival exec joked to The Athletic.

And now there’s a sword of Damocles that will hang over the organization for the next half-decade. The one light-at-the-end-of-the-tunnel moment though for many Wizards fans when Beal’s initial extension was announced was the idea that at some point they might be able to find some sucker in another city to take the contract off their hands and execute a proper rebuild. With the no-trade clause, that gets massively harder. Beal can stop any attempted rebuild in its tracks.

And for what? To secure the services of the league’s 27th-best player (or whatever he is) for the next half-decade, as he presumably begins a further slide down the list from ages 29 to 33 (the duration of the contract).

Yes, his age matters; the odds of the back end of this deal getting ugly are much worse than you might think. Everyone brings up that some players have played well until their mid-30s (Steph Curry just won a title at 34!) and ignores that these are the exceptions.

A far greater sum of similarly talented players to Beal turned sharply south between ages 29 and 33: Blake Griffin (33), Russell Westbrook (33), Gordon Hayward (32), Eric Bledsoe (32), Kemba Walker (32) and Nikola Vucević (31). They all felt like safe bets when they signed their last big contracts in their late 20s.
Or say, John Wall, who hasn’t even turned 32 yet.

Ah yes, Wall. That’s what makes the team’s decision tree on Beal so mind-boggling: Washington just finished extricating itself from almost the same mess with Wall. In 2017, the Wizards granted a needless extension two years ahead of time to max out a good-but-not-quite-great player, right as he hit the hands-in-the-air part of the aging curve roller coaster. Sure, they were unlucky with his Achilles injury, but this was destined to be a bad contract the second the ink was dry.

Now, the Sisyphean task starts over. Over the past two years, Washington’s front office has done amazing work to extricate itself from under the boulder that was the league’s worst contract. Somehow, some way, they turned Wall into Monte Morris, Kristaps Porzingis and Kyle Kuzma, and it didn’t even cost them much in draft capital. All that earned the Wizards was the ability to try it again in a few years with Beal after a couple more years of muddling toward the Play-In Tournament and with a double-parked no-trade clause blocking their best exit route.

The Blazers are in similar straits, trying to rebuild for a win-now run at something — we’re not sure what — after turning CJ McCollum, Norman Powell and Robert Covington into Jerami Grant, Josh Hart and Payton. In the meantime, Washington’s most valuable contract may have just morphed into its least tradeable deal.

If there’s good news, it’s that it will take some time for the ticking from these contractual time bombs to become ear-splittingly loud. Beal and Lillard should still be in the All-Star conversation this season, so the Blazers and Wizards can muddle along as if things are peachy.

On the court, nothing will seem amiss. While you wouldn’t favor either of them to make the postseason, it wouldn’t be shocking to see one or both crash the playoff party as No. 7 or 8 seeds.

The problem is that each team left itself in a much worse position to accomplish anything beyond that, leaving real value on the table to claim Pyrrhic victories that will likely haunt them in the second half of this decade.


Thanks for posting. Brutal.
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Re: Bradley Beal - Part IV 

Post#640 » by bsilver » Thu Jul 14, 2022 12:10 pm

Leonsis and Sheppard know exactly what they’ve done, or at least what they believe is the future of the Wizards for the next few years. ——- being the 10th best EC team (give or take a few) with no hope for anything better ———. They're smart enough and have enough basketball knowledge (Sheppard, anyway) to not believe otherwise.

What would scare the crap out of me the very possible rapid decline of Beal. He was not very good last year. Being generous, maybe in the top 100 in the league. IMO there was not a single valid explanation. So, it’s either an unexplainable one off, or that how good he’s actually become, or worse, the start of a continuing decline. Or a leveling off for a year or two and then the expected early 30s decline.

How can you take the risk of paying 50M a year for 5 years for a mediocre player? Given, that’s the worst case, but the best case - a good Beal - brings you the great reward of 10th in the East.
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