Wiz trade 5th pick to Minnesota

Kanyewest · Post #621 » by **Kanyewest** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 1:59 am

Paraphrasing what Flip Saunders said:

"We're bringing 5 guys that didn't play last year that are going to be our top 7 to 8 players when we add these two (Randy Foye and Mike Miller), Gilbert Arenas, Brendan Haywood, and DeShawn Stevenson"

Tekkenlaw · Post #622 » by **Tekkenlaw** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 2:03 am

Those are good points Dat2U. Rubio will be 22 when his rookie deal expires. If he plays well, he could end up signing 2 max deals in his career.

Hoopalotta · Post #623 » by **Hoopalotta** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 2:12 am

Hey, long time lurker, first time poster....

The Stevenson quip is disconcerting, and something of an indictment on Young who might be fodder for one of those big men.

But I thought i would post in here in support of the trade, particularly in favor of the possibilities that Randy Foye brings. A per of 17 at 2-guard on a bad team with an aggressive attacking game is rather exciting. He could pull that up here by quite a bit. I think there is a good chance he could up his efficiency.

But come on, we missed out on 'Spanish Hassle Magic' baby!

:tooth

I think that should be his new name until they trade him or what have you.

But goodness my golly, old Rubio is looking like a major 'minefield averted' with things as is. We could have been dancing to 'Tango Flamenco' in a room of Latin Lawyers for many years of billable hours.

And with the exchange rate as it is....

Bringing Real Madrid into things would just be great.

Benjammin · Post #624 » by **Benjammin** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 2:29 am

^^^
Welcome to the board. I am hopeful that Flip was just being diplomatic about a veteran player. Reports indicate that the Wizards tried to include Stevenson instead of Songaila, but were rebuffed. I also hope that Nick Young works on his game and strength diligently this summer and will be given a real chance to be in the rotation. The best thing that Stevenson could do is to be traded for a big with an equal contract.

fifthstop · Post #625 » by **fifthstop** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 2:37 am

Hoopalotta wrote:But come on, we missed out on 'Spanish Hassle Magic' baby!

The "Spanish Escort Dos"

C'mon you guys. Just based on that experience, there's no way we could pick the Rickster!

fifthstop · Post #626 » by **fifthstop** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 2:38 am

WizStorm wrote:In case you were wondering about numbers...

In case you were wondering if he would start or be a super-sub...

Post #627 » by **Rafael122** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 2:45 am

I'm still trying to figure out how much value we could have gotten had we picked Rubio. For all intents and purposes, he needed to be a top 3 pick to make it worth his while. Otherwise, he's playing for free for the first four years.

Secondly, he wanted to go to like...2 teams. So we pick him, the agent already publicly said he's not coming to DC so we hold the rights to a player who doesn't want to play in DC. We lose all leverage. Teams aren't going to pay much because they would expect the Wizards to just give him away b/c he doesn't want to play here.

I think Ernie pulled the trigger on the deal a little early.

HOWEVA! It was the best deal on the table.

And with the chance of Rubio staying in Europe for a few more years...well, makes the move that much smarter. Minnesota had 4 first round draft picks, and I think they managed to have one of the worse drafts out of anyone.

Post #628 » by **nate33** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 4:19 am

Some possible vindication for EG:

Draft Express wrote:What’s strange is how surprisingly unaggressive New York was while all this was going on. They really tried hard to move up in the days and weeks leading up to draft night, but decided to take a wait and see approach once it became clear that Rubio would slip to 5. It appears likely that Kahn initially took Rubio with the intent of “auctioning off the pick,” in the words of one source close to the situation, but it seems like the market isn’t quite as robust as initially anticipated.

I didn't like the trade, but I'm trying to keep an open mind. Maybe EG knew the market better than most of us did.

clubbing_caveman · Post #629 » by **clubbing_caveman** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 4:28 am

Keep in mind that it takes two to tango. Perhaps EG had to pull the trigger when he did because if he hadnt, the deal would be off the table. Perhaps he didnt want to give KAAAAHHNNN too much time to think about it. We can all say that EG should have waited to see what the #5 pick was going to bring, and then make the deal. It is possible that if he did, KAAAHHNNN would have given less of a package (because he came to his senses). Just speculation on my part...much like we're all speculating that he could have waited to make the deal...

lupin · Post #630 » by **lupin** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:35 am

just how short is Flip? he gives hope to us little guys everywhere.

Vernon Maxwell · Post #631 » by **Vernon Maxwell** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 6:07 am

Kanyewest wrote:Paraphrasing what Flip Saunders said:

"We're bringing 5 guys that didn't play last year that are going to be our top 7 to 8 players when we add these two (Randy Foye and Mike Miller), Gilbert Arenas, Brendan Haywood, and DeShawn Stevenson"

lmao

mohammed10 · Post #632 » by **mohammed10** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 7:10 am

Kanyewest wrote:Paraphrasing what Flip Saunders said:

"We're bringing 5 guys that didn't play last year that are going to be our top 7 to 8 players when we add these two (Randy Foye and Mike Miller), Gilbert Arenas, Brendan Haywood, and DeShawn Stevenson"

I hope Flip was merely trying to be diplomatic when including DeBrick. If EG can move him for a 3 piece (w/o supersizing the drink), I MAY change my opinion of his less than stellar start to our off-season.

Post #633 » by **Rafael122** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 3:17 pm

nate33 wrote:Some possible vindication for EG:

Draft Express wrote:What’s strange is how surprisingly unaggressive New York was while all this was going on. They really tried hard to move up in the days and weeks leading up to draft night, but decided to take a wait and see approach once it became clear that Rubio would slip to 5. It appears likely that Kahn initially took Rubio with the intent of “auctioning off the pick,” in the words of one source close to the situation, but it seems like the market isn’t quite as robust as initially anticipated.

I didn't like the trade, but I'm trying to keep an open mind. Maybe EG knew the market better than most of us did.

Right, Rubio only wanted to play for a few select teams, and if said team didn't pick him, he was probably going to stay overseas. New York is probably thinking "well ****, he doesn't want to play in Minnesota, so why would I give up an arm and a leg for a guy who doesn't want to play for them?"

MJG · Post #634 » by **MJG** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 3:24 pm

Kanyewest wrote:Paraphrasing what Flip Saunders said:

"We're bringing 5 guys that didn't play last year that are going to be our top 7 to 8 players when we add these two (Randy Foye and Mike Miller), Gilbert Arenas, Brendan Haywood, and DeShawn Stevenson"

Even if he truly believes that (which would be saddening), Stevenson surely as at the bottom of that "top 7 to 8". Couple that with the fact that both new acquisitions are likely to get a bulk of their minutes at SG, and Stevenson won't be playing that much, even if Saunders considers him better than N1, Crittenton, etc.

Zerocious · Post #635 » by **Zerocious** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 3:51 pm

Stevenson is not as bad as many make him out to be. trust me i don't like the guy and he can go for all i care. and there's no need to throw stats at me, i know he ranks dead last in pretty much everything. here's what i think he brings: toughness. HAHAHA i can here you all laughing, however, not toughness that an opponent might see, or that we bring to an opponent, but more like toughness from within, towards the players on the wizards. i think maybe some of the team core might feel he is some of the gritt the team has. yeah, he sucks, but he obviously doesn't care. he gives the wiz a little sense of 'don't f with us or we'll send fist swinging DS on your ass even though it might cost us the game'. i think the wizards might feel better with him, regardless of the numbers or production. he is a little balance for the naturally soft on the team. feel free to comment....it's a forum after all

Kanyewest · Post #636 » by **Kanyewest** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 4:20 pm

Maybe DeShawn Stevenson has a breakout year and opts out of his contract. I'm not counting on it though.

Zerocious · Post #637 » by **Zerocious** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 4:41 pm

i dont even think it is about a breakout year or not. it's more an insurance policy for the weakminded on the tam. when a team comes in and start roughing us up a bit, we have a way of responding/retaliating. it all depends upon whether ds will be back to form though

Zerocious · Post #638 » by **Zerocious** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 4:47 pm

i also just listened to the predraft presser with ernie, flip, randy and mike. i think mike will be the one with the break-out year. he will mentally be ready to make a huge difference. this is one of the best situations he has even been in and he ahs something to prove. he is going to play on a team who has real play-off aspirations, rather than a team who want to dream big and see where they land. before the injury bug we were a playoff team and now mike will feel he is a vital part of bringing this team back to it original form and beyond. i am expecting him to have the best year of his career.

another point i thought of, we are heavy on the guard/sf position. some of these guys will be able to play different positions, which will bring us some above average ball handling skills at multiple positions. more folks now can either kill it from the outside or make a break for the basket. i think this deal has defenitely rounded us out more. we are going to be able to throw more different looks at opponents, making them have to prepare more and better without knowing exactly what they might get

WizarDynasty · Post #639 » by **WizarDynasty** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 6:24 pm

Haywood definitely has a toughness to him and Blatche pick up alot of Songalia's toughness on defense. Jamison and McGee are both soft as feathers. It surprises me because Javale's mother was a straight banger when she played. I think all this team needs in the front court is a player they can whip off the bench that can push shaq out of the paint, knock down the open jumper, and not really take minutes from McGee and Blatche. I think Haywood will toughen McGee up alot in practice by season's end.

TheKingOfVa360 · Post #640 » by **TheKingOfVa360** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 4:51 am

Halcyon wrote:By the time Rubio developed, every core player on the Wizards would be 30 or over. I'm still glad they dealt the pick.

Good point. Now that I have time to clear my head, it was good that we traded the pick.

Rubio could be an epic bust and clearly has an attitude problem. He would have never came to DC and played for us anyways.