Wiz Acquire Hinrich, Seraphin, $3M for Veermenko's rights

[MJ7]

If LeBron does go to Chicago, any chance we can talk them into Deng instead of Hinrich and Seraphin?

I like Deng, not an amazing defender but his mid-range shot is beautiful.

[verbal8]

If LeBron does go to Chicago, any chance we can talk them into Deng instead of Hinrich and Seraphin?

I like Deng, not an amazing defender but his mid-range shot is beautiful.

Deng is intriguing as a player. However at this point I think the Wizards want more flexibility than they would have if Deng and Arenas' salary were on the books.

[verbal8]

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67954/20100707/breaking_down_who_broke_free_agency_news/

I am shocked Steven A Smith is not on this list.

[Hoopalotta]

I'm sure the league is all lathered up to hear the final details of the Hinrich trade.

I guess it was inevitable that we were going to have a circus on our hands, but brace yourselves guys, just brace yourselves.

[Hoopalotta]

One draft night trade complete...

DarnellMayberry Draft-night trade between Thunder and Hornets has been approved by the NBA. Cole Aldrich & Mo Peterson can officially join OKC.

Should be any moment now for ours....

[rockymac52]

I just spent literally the last hour and a half writing a legitimate essay on the possibility of the Wizards making the playoffs as an 8 seed and the potentially horrible longterm ramifications of doing so, only to have been logged out by realgm after I clicked submit and thus losing it all. Probably karma for writing/researching that while at work.

But yeah, if you look at the teams in the East, theres 6 teams you can pretty much pencil in for the playoffs (cavs, magic, heat, celtics, hawks, bulls), 1 that has a pretty good shot (Bucks), and in my opinion 4 that have the potential to win some games and sneak in as the 8 seed because somebody's gotta do it (Bobcats, Knicks, 76ers, Wizards). I honestly feel like we're already the best out of that group, and I think there's a realistic chance that we make the playoffs this year, or are at least in the hunt. The result of that is a first round exit and the 15th pick in the draft, which won't return a very valuable player, most likely a servicable backup, and we could really use a Jeff Green and/or Russell Westbrook for our Durant (Wall).

[AceDegenerate]

This years Draft is going to be terrible.

We'd have been better off with the #15 pick in a Draft like 2001.

[nate33]

I just spent literally the last hour and a half writing a legitimate essay on the possibility of the Wizards making the playoffs as an 8 seed and the potentially horrible longterm ramifications of doing so, only to have been logged out by realgm after I clicked submit and thus losing it all. Probably karma for writing/researching that while at work.

I now make it a habit to highlight my entire post and hit <CTRL "C"> before hitting the submit button. If my post gets lost, it's retained on the clipboard and I can just repaste it.

[rockymac52]

I just spent literally the last hour and a half writing a legitimate essay on the possibility of the Wizards making the playoffs as an 8 seed and the potentially horrible longterm ramifications of doing so, only to have been logged out by realgm after I clicked submit and thus losing it all. Probably karma for writing/researching that while at work.

I now make it a habit to highlight my entire post and hit <CTRL "C"> before hitting the submit button. If my post gets lost, it's retained on the clipboard and I can just repaste it.

I do that sometimes, normally after I've just written a long post or an important one, and seeing as this was my longest and thus most important one, I don't know what I was thinking, and I'm really frustrated with myself haha.

This years Draft is going to be terrible.

We'd have been better off with the #15 pick in a Draft like 2001.

Really? You want Steven Hunter to be John Wall's sidekick? How about Kirk Haston (16)? Michael Bradley (17? Jason Collins (18)?

[AceDegenerate]

And I suppose you'd prefer Kwame Brown or Eddy Curry?

[LyricalRico]

I just spent literally the last hour and a half writing a legitimate essay on the possibility of the Wizards making the playoffs as an 8 seed and the potentially horrible longterm ramifications of doing so, only to have been logged out by realgm after I clicked submit and thus losing it all. Probably karma for writing/researching that while at work.

I now make it a habit to highlight my entire post and hit <CTRL "C"> before hitting the submit button. If my post gets lost, it's retained on the clipboard and I can just repaste it.

Yep, I do the same thing.

[Ruzious]

And I suppose you'd prefer Kwame Brown or Eddy Curry?

I'd probably settle for Pau Gasol or Shane Battier.

[Bickerstaff]

I just spent literally the last hour and a half writing a legitimate essay on the possibility of the Wizards making the playoffs as an 8 seed and the potentially horrible longterm ramifications of doing so, only to have been logged out by realgm after I clicked submit and thus losing it all. Probably karma for writing/researching that while at work.

But yeah, if you look at the teams in the East, there's 6 teams you can pretty much pencil in for the playoffs (cavs, magic, heat, celtics, hawks, bulls), 1 that has a pretty good shot (Bucks), and in my opinion 4 that have the potential to win some games and sneak in as the 8 seed because somebody's gotta do it (Bobcats, Knicks, 76ers, Wizards).

As currently constructed, the Knicks don't have enough players on the roster for them to be allowed to even play. I think they come off the biggest losers this offseason, at least relative to expectations. Chances are, any free agents they sign from here on out will be significantly overpaid, too, because they'll need to get recognizable names to appease their idiot owner/idiot fans/idiot NY Post columnists. Unless something pretty dramatic happens, I think they're gonna be a disaster. Also, I don't think you can pencil in the Cavs at all. They weren't a well-constructed team to begin with, and adding age and the dismay of losing LeBron and trying to adjust to a more demanding coach in Byron Scott... I think they're another team that could potentially be miserable. I'd replace the Cavs with the Bucks in the playoff locks and replace the Knicks with the Cavs in the maybes and say two of those four teams will make the playoffs. Oh, and if LeBron ends up in Miami, I think you can pencil Miami in for a run of dominance that is going to make things very boring for a while.

[Wiz99]

I just spent literally the last hour and a half writing a legitimate essay on the possibility of the Wizards making the playoffs as an 8 seed and the potentially horrible longterm ramifications of doing so, only to have been logged out by realgm after I clicked submit and thus losing it all. Probably karma for writing/researching that while at work.

But yeah, if you look at the teams in the East, theres 6 teams you can pretty much pencil in for the playoffs (cavs, magic, heat, celtics, hawks, bulls), 1 that has a pretty good shot (Bucks), and in my opinion 4 that have the potential to win some games and sneak in as the 8 seed because somebody's gotta do it (Bobcats, Knicks, 76ers, Wizards). I honestly feel like we're already the best out of that group, and I think there's a realistic chance that we make the playoffs this year, or are at least in the hunt. The result of that is a first round exit and the 15th pick in the draft, which won't return a very valuable player, most likely a servicable backup, and we could really use a Jeff Green and/or Russell Westbrook for our Durant (Wall).

If that's the best you think could come of eeking into the back end of the playoff queue, wouldn't you prefer NOT making it and having a higher seed? Get your wingman for Wall?

[rockymac52]

^yes, that's what I was saying. Making the playoffs and getting swept by the best team in the east and then getting stuck with a backup role player in the draft is much much worse than having a horrible record this season and getting a better draft pick IMO.

[rockymac52]

And I suppose you'd prefer Kwame Brown or Eddy Curry?

Yes, I would gladly take Kwame Brown or Eddy Curry over Steven Hunter, Kirk Haston, Michael Bradley, or Jason Collins.

[Dat2U]

I honestly feel like we're already the best out of that group, and I think there's a realistic chance that we make the playoffs this year, or are at least in the hunt. The result of that is a first round exit and the 15th pick in the draft, which won't return a very valuable player, most likely a servicable backup, and we could really use a Jeff Green and/or Russell Westbrook for our Durant (Wall).

If we add a veteran big. Someone at least capable of playing 16-18 minutes a night as a spot starter & safety net for McGee, then yes, I think were definitely capable of making a run at the playoffs.

Where I disagree is on the draft choice. I just mentioned in another thread, even if we trade Gil & tank, are we bad enough to make our tanking efforts worth it? What's the point of tanking if were looking at the 8th pick or later?

[Silvie Lysandra]

Yeah, that's the kicker.

The fact is, if McGee and Blatche continue to play like they played to end the season, and Wall is at least a DECENT player to start, we simply won't be bad enough. The post-trade Wizards were arguably better than the pre-trade Wizards, and we're adding Arenas, Hinrich, Seraphin and Booker (who would be replacing Oberto and Singleton, two fringe NBA players at this point) to that mix.

At a certain point, tanking far beyond your capabilities becomes counterproductive to future development (i.e, if you're a 36-39 win team, tanking to be a 20 win team is a bad move), especially with a young team.

And then, let's add the fact that this draft is being projected to be atrocious, and it's just not worth seriously going for a tank job.

[rockymac52]

I'm not advocating tanking by any means. I hope we go out there and try to win games, and we don't trade someone with the intention of winning less games. I think we let Arenas play and hope he's great. Then either we have a great player on our hands, or we can trade him for younger, better players and draft picks. If we can't get a good haul for Arenas, it's not worth it.

[Rafael122]

What younger and better players are going to be traded for a guy with 3 knee surgeries, suspension, and some $60 million left on a 3 year deal? I fail to understand this fascination with trading Gil in HOPES of getting better in the long run. Even if he's at 80% of what he once was, he's a top 15 guard in this league. The man can single handedly win you games. You don't trade a player like that so you can get younger or better.