Official Trade Thread - Part XXV

[Dark Faze]

Not interested.

I think Porter can be an all-star and I think we have a legitimate chance at getting a difference maker in Love/Durant in free agency when Nene expires. We need a difference maker of that caliber to get where we want to be.

[Ruzious]

Not interested.

I think Porter can be an all-star and I think we have a legitimate chance at getting a difference maker in Love/Durant in free agency when Nene expires. We need a difference maker of that caliber to get where we want to be.

Once we sign Durant (a given), Porter will have built up excellent trade value and we can deal him for a quality big... though Nerlens Noel will likely be untouchable.

[GeeWiz]

Not interested.

I think Porter can be an all-star and I think we have a legitimate chance at getting a difference maker in Love/Durant in free agency when Nene expires. We need a difference maker of that caliber to get where we want to be.

Trust me, Wall and Beal will both be difference makers by 2016. Wall Beal Monroe is a team of three all-stars or soon-to-be-allstars. Add a solid bench and Gortat, that is a contender, especially in the East.

Clearly Durant would be ideal, but setting the bar at Durant is just waiting for a disappointment, even though it is possible.


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[nate33]

What do people think about bringing Jarrett Jack home to the DMV? He's 30 and playing the worst ball of his career. He's signed for two more years at $6.3M/season. Not pretty.

OTOH, Cleveland could find themselves in a crappy position this summer as a bad team with little cap room (if they keep Bynum and Varajao). They might be willing to unload Jack for mere expirings in order to give them some flexibility moving forward

Here's an interesting Mike Prada piece on Jack.

I'd trade Maynor plus expiring contracts (Seraphin and Singleton) for him. I wouldn't trade Ariza and I'd insist that Maynor be sent out.

I don't think Cleveland bites yet, but if they continue to struggle, they may look to jettison some veterans.

[Rafael122]

Not interested.

I think Porter can be an all-star and I think we have a legitimate chance at getting a difference maker in Love/Durant in free agency when Nene expires. We need a difference maker of that caliber to get where we want to be.

Trust me, Wall and Beal will both be difference makers by 2016. Wall Beal Monroe is a team of three all-stars or soon-to-be-allstars. Add a solid bench and Gortat, that is a contender, especially in the East.

Clearly Durant would be ideal, but setting the bar at Durant is just waiting for a disappointment, even though it is possible.


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The way Gortat is playing, I'd let Ariza walk, re-sign Gortat to a 2 year deal that still gives us that cap flexibility to possibly make a run at Durant.

And use whatever cap space we have to bolster our bench.

[Dark Faze]

Not interested.

I think Porter can be an all-star and I think we have a legitimate chance at getting a difference maker in Love/Durant in free agency when Nene expires. We need a difference maker of that caliber to get where we want to be.

Trust me, Wall and Beal will both be difference makers by 2016. Wall Beal Monroe is a team of three all-stars or soon-to-be-allstars. Add a solid bench and Gortat, that is a contender, especially in the East.

Clearly Durant would be ideal, but setting the bar at Durant is just waiting for a disappointment, even though it is possible.


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2016 free agents (When Nene is off the books):

LeBron
Durant
Love
Bosh
Hibbert
Horford
Noah
Ryan Anderson

I like our chances at getting an impact player.

Don't get me wrong, I'd trade for Monroe, but I can't give up Porter.

The plan should be bench depth from an Ariza trade followed by holding ground, developing Wall/Beal/Porter and then bringing out the red carpet in 2016.

[Ruzious]

I really like Nate's lineup but our most glaring hole - backup guard - still isn't being addressed. I suppose hypothetically we can fill it via the draft through someone like Aaron Craft or Shabazz Napier but I just don't trust EG enough to do that.

Likewise the back-up PF/C to replace Nene in 2016 (Poythress, Patric Young, UVa product Mike Tobey).

Do we fill up these vital yet backup (15mpg-ish) players through draft, trade, or sign?

Craft and Napier are both good choices that may be available in the 2nd round. Napier has always reminded me of Lou Williams.

It's always fun to identify an undervalued player who could fit on the team. I think Andrew Nicholson is a great example. Orlando's playing Big Baby over him, and when Toby Harris gets healthy, they're going to use him at PF - Afflalo and Harkless are the 3's - and Harris has been far more effective at the 4 than at the 3. Nicholson is a real good offensive player - and efficient at it - with a 59% TS% and 56% eFG - showing 3 point range. He's a pure stretch 4 - and has a 17.5 PER. Come to think of it, maybe they end up focusing on how good Nicholson is and decide to trade Harris - as they get frustrated with his inability to stay healthy. Harris is like a poor man's Melo, but is he dependable?

Nicholson's also got by far the best +/- on Orlando. Hmmm, can't think of a good trade with them. I guess they'd want a PG or a pick, and we don't have either to trade. Need a 3rd team.

[nate33]

Not interested.

I think Porter can be an all-star and I think we have a legitimate chance at getting a difference maker in Love/Durant in free agency when Nene expires. We need a difference maker of that caliber to get where we want to be.

Trust me, Wall and Beal will both be difference makers by 2016. Wall Beal Monroe is a team of three all-stars or soon-to-be-allstars. Add a solid bench and Gortat, that is a contender, especially in the East.

Clearly Durant would be ideal, but setting the bar at Durant is just waiting for a disappointment, even though it is possible.


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2016 free agents (When Nene is off the books):

LeBron
Durant
Love
Bosh
Hibbert
Horford
Noah
Ryan Anderson

I like our chances at getting an impact player.

We won't have cap room unless we refrain from resigning Gortat (or we manage to sign him to a 2-year deal). I don't see that happening.

[Dark Faze]

We'll have the room. I doubt we turn Arizas salary into anything of long term signifiance. Booker, Seraphin and Ves all combine for somewhere around 8 million and Nene is 13 mil off the books.

Maynor expires as well (2 millon).

[theboomking]

Or we could follow the Nene-Asik trade by trading Gortat to New Orleans for Ryan Anderson. New Orleans would have to seriously consider because they wont have cap space to sign a center this summer, so Gortat's Bird rIghts would be of significant value to them.

So then we'd have Asik and Anderson in the fold with $15M in cap space -- enough to bolster the bench and potentially extend Asik via Collison type deal and really set ourselves up well for the future.

Of course, Houston and New Orleans could just cut us out and make the long-suggested/rumored Asik/Anderson deal. But I think that you can make a credible argument that Nene is a better piece for Houston than Anderson because of his ability to play center. He'd be a great backup when Dwight is in foul trouble and they could punish teams inside with the two of them on the floor together.

This would be too good to be true. I would use the money to sign Monroe. Could we also afford Ariza?

Wall/
Beal/Webster
Ariza/Porter
Monroe/Ryan Anderson
Asik/Monroe

That team would be ridiculous. And also, that isn't happening. We would be lucky to get one out of those 3 players. Nevermind all 3.

Monroe to me is just a younger Nene without the foot issues. He's a good player and at times he can be a great player. However - personal preference aside - I wouldn't count on him to be messianic or anything.

Uhhhh....am I the only one who would kill for a younger Nene without the foot issues? That sounds pretty great. Sign me up for two.

2016 free agents (When Nene is off the books):

LeBron
Durant
Love
Bosh
Hibbert
Horford
Noah
Ryan Anderson

I like our chances at getting an impact player.

Don't get me wrong, I'd trade for Monroe, but I can't give up Porter.

The plan should be bench depth from an Ariza trade followed by holding ground, developing Wall/Beal/Porter and then bringing out the red carpet in 2016.

Doesn't Love have an early out that he will likely use in 2015?

Durant would be awesome, as would Hibbert. Anderson isn't exactly pie in the sky. Lebron isn't coming and the rest will be a little bit old to sign to a big money contract.

[mhd]

Do you think the Pelicans would trade Rivers for Seraphin with Davis out?

Rivers gets no PT, and even with his historically sucky season last year, he's got to be better than Maynor.

[GeeWiz]

Do you think the Pelicans would trade Rivers for Seraphin with Davis out?

Rivers gets no PT, and even with his historically sucky season last year, he's got to be better than Maynor.

I like that trade a lot.

Two players basically out of the rotation on both of their respective teams, maybe they would be able to turn it around with a different environment

I like this trade for both sides.


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[TGW]

I like Seraphin for Rivers.

How about Ariza for Illyasova straight up?

[WizardsWorld]

I like Seraphin for Rivers.

How about Ariza for Illyasova straight up?

I'd be down with the first deal. No interest in moving Ariza for Ilyasova. Ariza is the better player... never understood what the obsession is with Ilyasova on this trade board. Once we got him, it'd take about 2 weeks before people are screaming that hes overpaid and EG ruined our cap space.

[Nivek]

Do you think the Pelicans would trade Rivers for Seraphin with Davis out?

Rivers gets no PT, and even with his historically sucky season last year, he's got to be better than Maynor.

Last season, Rivers was even worse than Maynor has been this season (or any other season of Maynor's career). Last I looked at Rivers' numbers for this season (which was last week sometime), he was less productive than Maynor has been.

Rivers might be better than Seraphin at this point. But that's the pretty much the lowest of bars.

[GeeWiz]

Do you think the Pelicans would trade Rivers for Seraphin with Davis out?

Rivers gets no PT, and even with his historically sucky season last year, he's got to be better than Maynor.

Last season, Rivers was even worse than Maynor has been this season (or any other season of Maynor's career). Last I looked at Rivers' numbers for this season (which was last week sometime), he was less productive than Maynor has been.

Rivers might be better than Seraphin at this point. But that's the pretty much the lowest of bars.

Well could that be because of lack of PT? Maynor gets a good amount of PT, even though he doesnt deserve it, which could inflate #'s. I'd still rather have Rivers than Maynor


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[nate33]

We'll have the room. I doubt we turn Arizas salary into anything of long term signifiance. Booker, Seraphin and Ves all combine for somewhere around 8 million and Nene is 13 mil off the books.

Maynor expires as well (2 millon).

No. I'm telling you, we won't have the cap room. In 2016 we will have Wall under a max contract, Beal will have a max cap hold (or will have already been extended at max or near-max money), and we will presumably be paying Gortat in the neighborhood of $12M. Throw in the salaries of Webster, Porter, a 1st round pick (either 2014 or 2015) and whatever other guys we have on the roster and it'll leave us with well less than max cap room.

Wall + Beal + Gortat + Webster + Porter alone will cost about $49-53M, depending on the salaries of Beal and Gortat.

[verbal8]

Do you think the Pelicans would trade Rivers for Seraphin with Davis out?

Rivers gets no PT, and even with his historically sucky season last year, he's got to be better than Maynor.

Last season, Rivers was even worse than Maynor has been this season (or any other season of Maynor's career). Last I looked at Rivers' numbers for this season (which was last week sometime), he was less productive than Maynor has been.

Rivers might be better than Seraphin at this point. But that's the pretty much the lowest of bars.

Well could that be because of lack of PT? Maynor gets a good amount of PT, even though he doesnt deserve it, which could inflate #'s. I'd still rather have Rivers than Maynor


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I think with Rivers it is he isn't getting playing time, because their isn't any indication(e.g. playing well in practice) that he would perform better than he is in limited minutes. I would pretty much be open to trading Seraphin and Singleton for any player or even just a roster spot, however Rivers wouldn't be my first target, especially with his 2014-5 option picked up.

[payitforward]

I like Seraphin for Rivers.

How about Ariza for Illyasova straight up?

Rivers isn't "better than Maynor" in the sense that he could take his minutes. For one thing, he's not a PG. For another his numbers are worse than Maynor's!!

On the other hand, it's not a bad trade -- because Seraphin is even worse than Rivers, and Rivers has at least *some chance* to develop (however unlikely; keep in mind that he was awful at Duke as well).

But... I'd only do it if they threw in Withey!

[stevemcqueen1]

I like Seraphin for Rivers.

How about Ariza for Illyasova straight up?

I'd be down with the first deal. No interest in moving Ariza for Ilyasova. Ariza is the better player... never understood what the obsession is with Ilyasova on this trade board. Once we got him, it'd take about 2 weeks before people are screaming that hes overpaid and EG ruined our cap space.

I disagree. Ariza probably is a better player, but Ilyasova can play PF. And he can shoot threes. If Porter plays well, then Ilyasova would balance out our roster more. And insulate us against Nene's injury.

I'd make that trade once Porter and Beal get back. The ticking time bomb for this team is Nene's Achilles. He needs to be able to rest without us going into the tank and a healthy Ilyasova would be huge.

Plus It'd be nice to have Ilyasova's 3 ball as an option over Al Harrington.

I'd make the deal and then plan on bringing Gortat back this summer with the rest of my money.

The next move is finding a better third guard. Once you've got that, if Porter works out, you've got a balanced roster.