Official Trade Thread - Part XXXI

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

You can't make a trade for Looney without committing to a full rebuild. You might as well walk Wall out the door after accepting the deal.

We need to move Beal in a deal that also lets us include Smith or Nicholson to clean up Ernie's horrible off-season.

Moving Beal and Smith could change everything for the better.

I am with Dat on not needing to move Wall on a rebuild. Quite the opposite. Rapidly reload with Wall, Porter, and one stud makes sense.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Beal to Sacramento for Gay & Temple?

Wall / Satoransky
Temple / McClellan / Thornton
Gay / Oubre Jr / House Jr
Porter / Morris / Nicholson
Gortat / Mahinmi / Smith / Ochefu

Cut: Burke

I think this trade makes us better & deeper. You can count on solid D, high IQ and limited offense with Temple but he definitely won't stagnate ball movement like Beal has searching for shots. Gay is a capable scoring option who's probably wanting to play well so he can cash in on one more big contract. I'd move Porter to the 4 with Morris solidifying the bench and moving Nicholson out the rotation. With Nicholson, Burke, Smith (when Mahinmi gets back) & Thornton (replaced by McClellan) out the rotation I think we'd improve significantly.

Flat no.

(Hell no. I respect your knowledge but don't like this one bit!)

Otto is flourishing as a SF.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gljht2j

Washington sends: Gortat, Oubre
Golden State sends: 1st round pick, Kevon Looney, Andre Iguodala (who the Wizards waive), Damian Jones

Why for Washington: Mahinmi will start when healthy. Based on my YEARS OF BEING RIGHT ABOUT TALENT, I think Looney is even better than Porter. He's a stud PF who will immediately take the job from Morris IMO. Plus, for a change, the Wizards RECEIVE A FIRST!

Why for Golden State: I like Gortat. I think he and Oubre would win multiple titles if this trade went down! So be it. It's even better for the Wizards because it gives them the best player in the deal (Looney. YES. I said that). GS wants to win now and that's the time to pluck a young talent. Giving them Oubre gives Kelly the chance to emulate what Iguodala did.

CCJ -- if you remember, you and I were the big supporters of picking Looney @#19 in the first place (had we stayed there). The reason he dropped was the need for surgery on both hips. It's possible there's still some risk w/ him -- not a talent risk but a long-term health risk. I note that he's only played 78 minutes so far this year -- does that indicate some lingering health issue I wonder?

The only two other thoughts: would they take Mahinmi rather than Gortat? Would you (should we) prefer that? And, given that their R1 pick will be #27-30, would they include Patrick McCaw in the deal -- in place of Jones?

I saw your reason for waiving Iguodala, but we'd have to buy out his big contract, and I wouldn't do that. I think he'd be able to adjust to finishing a single season with the Wizards.

In all, even with the risks, this is a deal worth doing. Alas, there's no chance of Ernie being this imaginative.

Hell yeah to sending Mahinmi rather than Gortat.

Looney has a player named Durant and another named Draymond who eat up minutes ahead of him.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gljht2j

Washington sends: Gortat, Oubre
Golden State sends: 1st round pick, Kevon Looney, Andre Iguodala (who the Wizards waive), Damian Jones

Why for Washington: Mahinmi will start when healthy. Based on my YEARS OF BEING RIGHT ABOUT TALENT, I think Looney is even better than Porter. He's a stud PF who will immediately take the job from Morris IMO. Plus, for a change, the Wizards RECEIVE A FIRST!

Why for Golden State: I like Gortat. I think he and Oubre would win multiple titles if this trade went down! So be it. It's even better for the Wizards because it gives them the best player in the deal (Looney. YES. I said that). GS wants to win now and that's the time to pluck a young talent. Giving them Oubre gives Kelly the chance to emulate what Iguodala did.

CCJ -- if you remember, you and I were the big supporters of picking Looney @#19 in the first place (had we stayed there). The reason he dropped was the need for surgery on both hips. It's possible there's still some risk w/ him -- not a talent risk but a long-term health risk. I note that he's only played 78 minutes so far this year -- does that indicate some lingering health issue I wonder?

The only two other thoughts: would they take Mahinmi rather than Gortat? Would you (should we) prefer that? And, given that their R1 pick will be #27-30, would they include Patrick McCaw in the deal -- in place of Jones?

I saw your reason for waiving Iguodala, but we'd have to buy out his big contract, and I wouldn't do that. I think he'd be able to adjust to finishing a single season with the Wizards.

In all, even with the risks, this is a deal worth doing. Alas, there's no chance of Ernie being this imaginative.

I'd make the deal but like PIF said I'd want to keep Iguodala. He's too good not to keep in the short term unless were going for the hard tank. I'm not as high on Looney but I'd take a flier on him. I know very little about Jones... if we could get McCaw that would be a coup but they are already using him in their rotation, I think they'd pass on doing that.

All I know about Jones is he made the Warriors roster. If Jerry West and others scouted him that should tell us something.

I didn't mention Jones but I think he could do like Muscala or Levoy Allen and become a replacement level player.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Gortat described us as having the worst bench in the league. Who built that bench?

You can count on Ernie trading him If he says something like that even one more time -- and I'm sure he's been told to shut up. I just don't think he will, or at least I hope he won't.

Gortat would love to be traded. We may be the worst team in the league, his situation can't get any worse!

Bingo.

Plus, Gortat is smart enough to know that once in Mahinmi gets healthy Marcin's minutes go down.

Now is the time for him to speak out while he has some leverage in the form of solid starter numbers in rebounds and points. A few teams will inquire about Gortat.

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[WizarDynasty]

i like the idea of going after brandon knight. Put Brandon night at shooting guard on offense and then move wall to guarding the shooting guard on defense due to his size. This team is built on shooters getting the ball after a guard breaks down the offense. Scott thrives when russell and harden both facilitated. this offense only has one person capable of that -- Wall. We need another electric guard that break down the defense, be a threat from 3 point range--wall is not, and who can get to the line at will. I think Brandon Knight does that for us. He has injury history but he can't be worst than beal injury wise.

[Dat2U]

Beal to Sacramento for Gay & Temple?

Wall / Satoransky
Temple / McClellan / Thornton
Gay / Oubre Jr / House Jr
Porter / Morris / Nicholson
Gortat / Mahinmi / Smith / Ochefu

Cut: Burke

I think this trade makes us better & deeper. You can count on solid D, high IQ and limited offense with Temple but he definitely won't stagnate ball movement like Beal has searching for shots. Gay is a capable scoring option who's probably wanting to play well so he can cash in on one more big contract. I'd move Porter to the 4 with Morris solidifying the bench and moving Nicholson out the rotation. With Nicholson, Burke, Smith (when Mahinmi gets back) & Thornton (replaced by McClellan) out the rotation I think we'd improve significantly.

Flat no.

(Hell no. I respect your knowledge but don't like this one bit!)

Otto is flourishing as a SF.

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Actually Otto has played well as a SF but he's been great the times he's been a stretch 4 due to his skill level and tenacity on the boards around the basket. But this isn't about making Otto uncomfortable. Hell, put Gay at the 4 or bring him off the bench for all I care. My 3-pronged goal was getting rid of Beal's contract, getting a quality stopgap at SG in his place and getting more versatility at the F spots were we could go small and not have to rely on a guy that's obviously not ready in Oubre Jr. This trade accomplishes all three.

[gambitx777]

Moving Beal and Smith could change everything for the better.

I am with Dat on not needing to move Wall on a rebuild. Quite the opposite. Rapidly reload with Wall, Porter, and one stud makes sense.

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I would for sure keep wall as long as hes willing to stay, seriously he is one of the better PG's in the league. It's hard to find guys like him. I would try my hardest to trade beal and mahinmi if possible cut burke and stretch smith. but man we need to find a way to net some guys cuz our starters are solid we need a bench.

[deneem4]

Beal to Sacramento for Gay & Temple?

Wall / Satoransky
Temple / McClellan / Thornton
Gay / Oubre Jr / House Jr
Porter / Morris / Nicholson
Gortat / Mahinmi / Smith / Ochefu

Cut: Burke

I think this trade makes us better & deeper. You can count on solid D, high IQ and limited offense with Temple but he definitely won't stagnate ball movement like Beal has searching for shots. Gay is a capable scoring option who's probably wanting to play well so he can cash in on one more big contract. I'd move Porter to the 4 with Morris solidifying the bench and moving Nicholson out the rotation. With Nicholson, Burke, Smith (when Mahinmi gets back) & Thornton (replaced by McClellan) out the rotation I think we'd improve significantly.

Flat no.

(Hell no. I respect your knowledge but don't like this one bit!)

Otto is flourishing as a SF.

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Actually Otto has played well as a SF but he's been great the times he's been a stretch 4 due to his skill level and tenacity on the boards around the basket. But this isn't about making Otto uncomfortable. Hell, put Gay at the 4 or bring him off the bench for all I care. My 3-pronged goal was getting rid of Beal's contract, getting a quality stopgap at SG in his place and getting more versatility at the F spots were we could go small and not have to rely on a guy that's obviously not ready in Oubre Jr. This trade accomplishes all three.

I think oubre is ready...but when you're on the floor with the worst bench in the league...

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

i like the idea of going after brandon knight. Put Brandon night at shooting guard on offense and then move wall to guarding the shooting guard on defense due to his size. This team is built on shooters getting the ball after a guard breaks down the offense. Scott thrives when russell and harden both facilitated. this offense only has one person capable of that -- Wall. We need another electric guard that break down the defense, be a threat from 3 point range--wall is not, and who can get to the line at will. I think Brandon Knight does that for us. He has injury history but he can't be worst than beal injury wise.

[SizzlinSimms]

Should we look to trade Otto while the iron is hot?

Otherwise we're gonna have to look at overpaying Otto too as well in the off season.

[Dark Faze]

Should we look to trade Otto while the iron is hot?

Otherwise we're gonna have to look at overpaying Otto too as well in the off season.

that depends on the quality of management

I don't see a lot of teams being savy enough to have Otto on their radar for a big payday. If we wait and only pay the absolute most we have to I think we'll get a good deal.

[payitforward]

All I know about Jones is he made the Warriors roster. If Jerry West and others scouted him that should tell us something.

Actually... I don't see him on their roster! In fact, I don't see him anywhere in the league.

Who is this mystery man????

[payitforward]

Should we look to trade Otto while the iron is hot?

Otherwise we're gonna have to look at overpaying Otto too as well in the off season.

that depends on the quality of management

I don't see a lot of teams being savvy enough to have Otto on their radar for a big payday. If we wait and only pay the absolute most we have to I think we'll get a good deal.

First off, trading Otto Porter is a terrible idea. He's become our best player, he's still only 4400 minutes into his career, and he has a big upside.

Secondly, yes, FOs will target him, Otto is going to command a big salary in the off-season. And be worth it. We'd be nuts not to keep him.

Our single most important goal right now, given that this season is already down the drain, should be to get rid of Beal for the shortest salary obligation we can manage, no matter who the players are. We are going to be rebuilding, and it should be around Otto Porter.

[AFM]

This team should sign Agent Zero. Why not?
I'm following him on IG, he's posting videos of his workouts, dude shot 158/163, he can still stroke it better than PIF at a Vegas Strip Club

[Dat2U]

i like the idea of going after brandon knight. Put Brandon night at shooting guard on offense and then move wall to guarding the shooting guard on defense due to his size. This team is built on shooters getting the ball after a guard breaks down the offense. Scott thrives when russell and harden both facilitated. this offense only has one person capable of that -- Wall. We need another electric guard that break down the defense, be a threat from 3 point range--wall is not, and who can get to the line at will. I think Brandon Knight does that for us. He has injury history but he can't be worst than beal injury wise.

Brandon Knight??? Ugh. Nobody in the league displays a more natural instinct in freezing out teammates with his tunnel vision than Knight. He's consistently had terrible on/off numbers because he's a crap defender too. Only way I'd agree to a deal if it involves sending out Jason Smith & Andrew Nicholson.

[Dat2U]

Should we look to trade Otto while the iron is hot?

Otherwise we're gonna have to look at overpaying Otto too as well in the off season.

that depends on the quality of management

I don't see a lot of teams being savvy enough to have Otto on their radar for a big payday. If we wait and only pay the absolute most we have to I think we'll get a good deal.

First off, trading Otto Porter is a terrible idea. He's become our best player, he's still only 4400 minutes into his career, and he has a big upside.

Secondly, yes, FOs will target him, Otto is going to command a big salary in the off-season. And be worth it. We'd be nuts not to keep him.

Our single most important goal right now, given that this season is already down the drain, should be to get rid of Beal for the shortest salary obligation we can manage, no matter who the players are. We are going to be rebuilding, and it should be around Otto Porter.

Well I think it's becoming Wall & Otto's team. Wall's TO% have been bad but his TS% is up, his PER is up and his defense is better.

[tontoz]

Wall and Porter complement each other perfectly. Wall can routinely create for others while Porter excels scoring efficiently and making quick decisions with the ball.

Beal's ball stopping makes him a questionable fit with Wall.

[krii]

Wall and Porter complement each other perfectly. Wall can routinely create for others while Porter excels scoring efficiently and making quick decisions with the ball.

Beal's ball stopping makes him a questionable fit with Wall.

I might be in minority but I believe that Wall / Otto / Gortat sounds like a good fit for another two years. I'd trade Beal to make sure we have a good pick this year and we can find some good guard that will replace Beal. It should be great draft with a lot of good shooters so I feel Beal for protected 1-5 + some fillers might work. I'd also like us tanking to make sure we have two high picks. The other one I'd use to either 1. select good big to develop behind Gortat and Mahinmi or 2. trade to pick some young PF/C from the league. We'd need some bench players so I'd trade Mahinmi for some picks. Why Mahinmi and not Gortat? Based on my statistical analysis Mahinmi might be a slightly better defender but there is not enough in their respective productivity to choose Ian over Gortat, whilst Gortat contract is crucial for my line up development (it's just lower). In other words quick, one-year tank.

Starting from 2017/18 it could be something like that:
Wall / Sato / Drafted PG/SG**
Drafted SG*/ Sato / McClelan / Drafted SG/SF***
Otto / Oubre / Drafted SG/SF***
Morris / Traded PF/c / Drafted PF/C ****
Gortat / Ochefu / Drafted PF/C ****

I know, it's a lot of youth in there but Wall, Otto and Gortat should make it at least playable. Wall by himself is making this team watchable, Gortat is locked for double-doubles almost every night whilst Otto seems to develop into almost AS caliber player. Morris and Sato are proven, Ochefu and McClelan are, in my opinion, able to provide valuable minutes from the bench. Then question mark on: 1. drafted shooting guard who should be able to contribute early on, 2. drafted bench PG/SG or SG/SF to provide valuable minutes from the bench, 3. drafted PF/C to develop behind Gortat and Morris and, eventually, replace Marcin in the starting 5.

Just my 2p.

[Dark Faze]

You can't keep Wall on this team by improving through future draft picks unless its an instant stud like Lillard/Kyrie. He's not gonna wait around--dude is going to be recruited by some great situations.