Political Roundtable Part XXV

[Pointgod]

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I’d like TGW to tell me what this means.

[dckingsfan]

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I’d like TGW to tell me what this means.

I can tell you Whataburger is really good

[stilldropin20]

If he’s never going to change the least he could do is kindly go away.

i will go away for 1 year if every single liberal that posted on here over the past 2 years admits that they lied about trump colluding and posted lie after lie to promulgate the lie so as to bludgeon trump daily admits they were wrong, admits that the entire collusion narrative was lie to make up for losing the election, and admit that lying like this divided the country and did so to harm trump and his base. You must admit that Trump is NOT a Putin agent nor puppet of putin.

*** I want a pony for Christmas ***

If I actually thought you'd hold up your end of the bargain I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Here's a proposal for you: Create a thread and post whatever you like. Just this leave thread (and us) alone.

bruh....i'm dead serious. If you and the seven horseman of the collusion apocalypse can come to the full terms that i described I will hold up my end of the bargain and leave for 1 year.

But...i gotta see true remorse and feel real contrition your apologies to the american people for spreading all of those lies and all the hate you spewed against trump.

I'm talking Clogsthetoilet, UTI, poindexter, Zonkerforbrains, wizinhispants, jwizinhismouth, jamobethere, Rufus and scotlinkinkhan...each and everyone of them must make full amends and I will depart for 1 year and return for the general. Deal? git er done and i'll take a hiatus.

[Pointgod]

Yeah about that poll that STD and Trump have been citing. Turns out that having **** for brains is part of the MAGA package.

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2019/3/18/18271441/trump-tweet-usa-today-suffolk-poll-mueller-witch-hunt

But the poll question on which that headline rests is seriously flawed. The question reads as follows: “President Trump has called the Special Counsel’s investigation a ‘witch hunt’ and said he’s been subjected to more investigations than previous presidents because of politics. Do you agree?”

It’s true that 50.3 percent of the poll’s 1,000 respondents said “yes” to that question. But that doesn’t necessarily mean they believe the Mueller investigation is a “witch hunt.” The prompt packs two different questions into one — a poor strategy for a poll question. Respondents simply may have meant to agree that Trump has been “subjected to more investigations than previous presidents because of politics” — a controversial but defensible position — without intending to go further and indicate they think Trump is the victim of a “witch hunt.”

[Wizardspride]

i will go away for 1 year if every single liberal that posted on here over the past 2 years admits that they lied about trump colluding and posted lie after lie to promulgate the lie so as to bludgeon trump daily admits they were wrong, admits that the entire collusion narrative was lie to make up for losing the election, and admit that lying like this divided the country and did so to harm trump and his base. You must admit that Trump is NOT a Putin agent nor puppet of putin.

*** I want a pony for Christmas ***

If I actually thought you'd hold up your end of the bargain I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Here's a proposal for you: Create a thread and post whatever you like. Just this leave thread (and us) alone.

bruh....i'm dead serious. If you and the seven horseman of the collusion apocalypse can come to the full terms that i described I will hold up my end of the bargain and leave for 1 year.

But...i gotta see true remorse and feel real contrition your apologies to the american people for spreading all of those lies and all the hate you spewed against trump.

I'm talking Clogsthetoilet, UTI, poindexter, Zonkerforbrains, wizinhispants, jwizinhismouth, jamobethere, Rufus and scotlinkinkhan...each and everyone of them must make full amends and I will depart for 1 year and return for the general. Deal? git er done and i'll take a hiatus.

So in other words, you want me to say something I don't believe.....

[Ruzious]

SD, regardless of whether or not Trump is found guilty of anything with his Russian ties, Trump brought all this on himself by appearing to have tons of ties to Russia - and by hiring Michael Flynn after warnings by EVERYONE - and by not just refusing to cooperate with investigations but by publicly attacking the investigators over and over and over againa and by publicly congratulating those who would not cooperate and publicly attacking those who did cooperate with investigators. And I am so God damned f'ng tired of the whining about this entire thing. No President... hell, no male has ever whined more about anything. He should be kicked in the balls a hundred times a day just for his whining. And now he's hurling insults at dead people. The ONLY reason he's not Hitler is because he can't get away with it - yet, but if he tried, he'd have millions of f'n moron pieces of shyt supporting him.

You want apologies? Take the truth instead, and have a damned pony for Christmas.

[TGW]

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I’d like TGW to tell me what this means.

It means Beto used a big money bundler (actually obama’s bundler). Doesn’t mean much to me; Beto barely registers in polls and he has no policies. He likes to stand on tables and flail his arms...probably not a winning campaign style.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/14/former-obama-bundler-reaches-out-to-donors-to-back-orourke-in-2020.html

By the way, if I'm Kamala Harris, I'm mad and annoyed right now. The donor class completely abandoned her and are moving to Beto's campaign.

[Pointgod]

If I actually thought you'd hold up your end of the bargain I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Here's a proposal for you: Create a thread and post whatever you like. Just this leave thread (and us) alone.

bruh....i'm dead serious. If you and the seven horseman of the collusion apocalypse can come to the full terms that i described I will hold up my end of the bargain and leave for 1 year.

But...i gotta see true remorse and feel real contrition your apologies to the american people for spreading all of those lies and all the hate you spewed against trump.

I'm talking Clogsthetoilet, UTI, poindexter, Zonkerforbrains, wizinhispants, jwizinhismouth, jamobethere, Rufus and scotlinkinkhan...each and everyone of them must make full amends and I will depart for 1 year and return for the general. Deal? git er done and i'll take a hiatus.

So in other words, you want me to say something I don't believe.....

How come you get a cool name like wizinhispants and I get lame ass poindexter?

[Pointgod]

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I’d like TGW to tell me what this means.

It means Beto used a big money bundler (actually obama’s bundler). Doesn’t mean much to me; Beto barely registers in polls and he has no policies. He likes to stand on tables and flail his arms...probably not a winning campaign style.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/14/former-obama-bundler-reaches-out-to-donors-to-back-orourke-in-2020.html

By the way, if I'm Kamala Harris, I'm mad and annoyed right now. The donor class completely abandoned her and are moving to Beto's campaign.

So you admit that you blew your load early regarding what donations actually mean? Not that I disagree with you on anything you’ve said about Beto, but it’s still way to early to make any substantive claims.

[TGW]

I’d like TGW to tell me what this means.

It means Beto used a big money bundler (actually obama’s bundler). Doesn’t mean much to me; Beto barely registers in polls and he has no policies. He likes to stand on tables and flail his arms...probably not a winning campaign style.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/14/former-obama-bundler-reaches-out-to-donors-to-back-orourke-in-2020.html

By the way, if I'm Kamala Harris, I'm mad and annoyed right now. The donor class completely abandoned her and are moving to Beto's campaign.

So you admit that you blew your load early regarding what donations actually mean? Not that I disagree with you on anything you’ve said about Beto, but it’s still way to early to make any substantive claims.

I'm not admitting anything; I stand by what I said. There's a difference between getting donations from over 220,000 people at $27 a head, and getting donor bundles at $2800 a head. We'll see on April 15...but I find it disingenuous that Beto is claiming a grassroots campaign and is taking bundler cash.

[dobrojim]

Here's a fun article, it imagines right-wing reaction to Obama doing things that Trump has done
https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/carl-hiaasen/article228014074.html

Carl Hiaasen is boss. Writes some funny as hell books too.
Highly recommend Lucky You and Sick Puppy but many others are also worth a read.

[dobrojim]

It might be true that we currently don't know for a fact what happened between DJT and the Russians.
But we do know his campaign people, associates and family met a huge number of times with Russians
and lied about having done so. The extent to which that is suggestive I guess depends on the hat you wear.

[dckingsfan]

So you admit that you blew your load early regarding what donations actually mean? Not that I disagree with you on anything you’ve said about Beto, but it’s still way to early to make any substantive claims.

I think Beto will safely move toward the middle of the party. He will have plenty of funds to weather the first part of the campaign and get to the middle America vote. This campaign for the D nominee will (IMO) evolve to the "how". How do you fix things not just the idea of fixing them. There is a wide spectra of candidates and a long way to go... it will be interesting.

[I_Like_Dirt]

I think Beto will safely move toward the middle of the party. He will have plenty of funds to weather the first part of the campaign and get to the middle America vote. This campaign for the D nominee will (IMO) evolve to the "how". How do you fix things not just the idea of fixing them. There is a wide spectra of candidates and a long way to go... it will be interesting.

I would like it to evolve to the "how" but I'm not convinced it works that way. At most the "how" is going to be on a largely superficial level. Details don't play well in elections no matter how important. Where Beto benefits quite a bit is he's got quite a bit less competition for the middle party at this point than anyone else. All the others tend to lean certain directions, left or right on certain issues which stake them out certain grounds. And his lack of a defined policy, as much as it frustrates me with him, is probably to his advantage in the long run as it opens up flexibility to take different stands in general at different points in time while shielding him from any particular direct attacks. He's very good at organizing a campaign, which seems to be his biggest strength. I'm still not sure what I think of him as a candidate but he's definitely a contrast to the others out there at this stage and is probably going to continue to have strong financial backing the whole way through. In what will be an emotional set of primaries, I'm not sure how that will play, either.

[Wizardspride]

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[Ruzious]

So you admit that you blew your load early regarding what donations actually mean? Not that I disagree with you on anything you’ve said about Beto, but it’s still way to early to make any substantive claims.

I think Beto will safely move toward the middle of the party. He will have plenty of funds to weather the first part of the campaign and get to the middle America vote. This campaign for the D nominee will (IMO) evolve to the "how". How do you fix things not just the idea of fixing them. There is a wide spectra of candidates and a long way to go... it will be interesting.

Agreed, and I think it probably makes sense for him to be a VP candidate so he can get some much needed seasoning - thyme would be an appropriate seasoning, maybe a dash of cardamom.

[stilldropin20]

I think Beto will safely move toward the middle of the party. He will have plenty of funds to weather the first part of the campaign and get to the middle America vote. This campaign for the D nominee will (IMO) evolve to the "how". How do you fix things not just the idea of fixing them. There is a wide spectra of candidates and a long way to go... it will be interesting.

I would like it to evolve to the "how" but I'm not convinced it works that way. At most the "how" is going to be on a largely superficial level. Details don't play well in elections no matter how important.

See this is essentially the definition of the swamp. This is exactly what middle america has grown tired. Domestically "running" the united states of american is NOT really that complicated on the home front.

1. We need jobs.
2. we need pay level commensurate with effort/skill/risk that proportionately considers cost of living.
3. We need a fair process to educate/train people for these jobs and hires people fairly.
4. We need the infrastructure that transports us to these jobs.
5. We need a fair distribution of affordable food that is safe to eat.
6. We need a fair distribution of affordable shelter that is safe to live.

^^^thats is essentially all we need. and most importantly the structure is already in place.

So to that end...when we are considering politicians to vote for we NEED SPECIFICS on your policy that distinguishes you from others and performs these function better. How are you going to perform these functions and make americans happier/safer/protects their jobs/protects their wages/maybe promotes entertainment along the way/??? All while keeping the costs down???

campaign pledges need specifics!!! otherwise its all just another lie. its more of the swamp. And middle america is tired of it. I think (older) people in cities are sick of it too. Tell me specifically how much my taxes will go up or go down based on your budget proposals...and yes...i think politicians should have fully detailed annual budget proposals on their websites with programs you plan to initiate, the amount of money you wish to allocate, and where you plan to get the money.

And frankly this is why people LOVE trump so much and are willing to forgive his stylistic folly. I dont want a saleman/woman. I dont want someone to piss on me and convince me its raining. I'm too smart to fall for it and way beyond sticking up for an ideology just to feel like I belong to a certyain group of people and hope they like me. I DGAF what people think about me because I'm a successful businessman whose business depend on working class (poor and medium and wealthy) having money in their pockets and willing to spend it. And 60% of my patrons are working poor. So I care about them immensely. More than all of you can ever fathom. I come from poor people. I still see myself as a poor guy. I fought through all the barrier to become wealthy. I understand both how (physically) easy it is to go from poor to rich and how (mentally) hard it is at the same time.

I want those pathways open. I want opportunity for all. People...especially poor tend not to understand work ethic. They dont understand the gears you need to instill in yourself in order to be successful. And you wont ever understand it unless you are pushed extremely hard. So people need to be made to work. They will be happier in the long run.

People must also be made to understand that success and wealth is a process. Although i have some wealthy northern italian ancestors my family does not interact with them nor received anything from them. We lived in walkups the "slums" of chicago. mated with native americans. and have grown ever since. We bought that walkup about 120 years ago. And then bought a few more about 50 years ago. There was little to no income from these purchases for 2 almost 3 generations. And there would still be no income from these building today because they are still located in the "slums" of chicago. But my family worked extra hard. We had jobs and then worked 2nd and 3rd jobs...often 18 hours per day...7 days per week to rehab these building with their bare hands. I helped my grandfather demo bathrooms when i was 8 years old. breathing in dust and rodding out 100 year old drain systems. getting sick for weeks at times. <--we did the work...we kept the building in great shape....made them look very nice....we kept the buildings secure and safe even though people would get shot often on our blocks...everyone knew not to mess around in our buildings. We developed relationships with beat cops and local gangsters. knowing that we could keep our building occupied with hard work and good relationships we first began to borrow against those buildings and buy many more building in the 1990's. Almost 100 years after we bought our first walk up.

To save money...my grandmother made the clothes that my mom and uncle wore to school. To make things easier on tennents, my grandfather (and I as a little child) delivered weekly groceries to all of our tenants that stayed with us for decades and got old. For free!! There was a time before my grandfather died in 1991 that he was delivering groceries for nearly 30 tenants weekly. As well as doctor runs, church runs, etc. at one point the local church let my grandfather use their church van (a broken down old mini school bus) for a lot of this stuff. I went with him all the time on these runs for years. Nobody paid me. The old ladies would give me a dollar from time to time which was nice. But we knew they were poor. Just like we were (cash) poor. We built equity though. Sweat equity. Relationship equity. We always answered our phone. We always helped. Everyone in our circle.

When i was 21 I began to buy my own real estate. The difference for me was I saw walk ups just like ours be worth $300K in other parts of the city...and in much worse condition...in 1993 where our were worth $80K. So i was smarter about what i bought. I bought near the "hot" areas and dilapidated buildings that I could repair. And because of all the work i did for others for free in 80's many people now came to help me in the 90's. Not for free. but very reasonable fees. I was able to immediately borrow against my building once it was occupied and rents were higher in order to purchase more. I simultaneously took over the family trust a few years later because I was the only one in the family that understood how to make it grow more exponentially.

its not 2019 and I dont have a financial need in the world. But i still wear $10 shoes i got on sale...and buy EVERYTHING on sale. Everything. The only thing I over pay on is labor because i realized as a child that you must invest in human beings that are helping you achieve your goals.

My family could have taken a different route. We could have sold everything in the 1970's and 1980's and moved out of chicago and into the suburbs. And we would have nothing and I would have learned nothing about real estate. And in fact learned very little about people too. Today i have many successful businesses. And its because i understand people. And liberals in this thread dont want to hear it. Nor do you believe it. But i know waaaaaaaay more about people than you do. I know what people need. I know what people want to hear. And I know what people need to hear. And most importantly, I know the difference between the two. Paramount to it all is that I know what works on the local level...building to building...and then block to block...and then on a neighborhood level...and on a massive city of chicago scale.

And its simple:

1. we need politicians that care that people are employed at the highest of percentages. a politician that will KEEP JOBS HERE in america.
2. a politician that understand HOW to keep wages increasing.


Immigration is a big part of this. trade is a big part of this. tariffs as it relates to trade is a big part of this. And democrats are not talking about trade and immigration in meaningful ways anymore. They used to at least pretend to address these issues. You all have seen the videos where HRC, WJC, and even Obama described immigration and a southern border barrier in the exact same terms as Trump. But now??? That rhetoric is completely lost on democrats.

So democrats are either lying to you. Or are going to gallactically mess up our jobs markets with bad trade and immigration policy.

Dont ever forget that it all comes down to an honest days work for and honest days pay. <--everything is dependent on that. Everything. If their is no jobs for you? Then their is not longer a need to educate you. Dont ever forget that.

1. jobs
2. good wages.
3. education to prepare for those jobs.
4. infrastructure to transport you to and from work
5. safe affordable food to feed you.
6. safe affordable shelter.

^^thats it!!!^^^ . Thats is the job of your government!! make them tell you EXACTLY how they are going to accomplish those goals for you.

[Jamaaliver]

Fascinating Stuff.

How Cubans Live as Long as Americans at a Tenth of the Cost

Lessons of physical prosperity in a despotic regime

...in 1985, Bernie Sanders defended an element of Fidel Castro’s regime: It was rarely mentioned that Castro provided health care to his country. Sanders grumbled that the same could not be said of then-President Reagan.

When confronted with this quote in recent years, Sanders said he didn’t exactly remember the context for his comment (being 31 years ago) but that Cubans “do have a decent health-care system.”

Many consider it more than decent. After a visit to Havana in 2014, the director-general of the World Health Organization Margaret Chan called for other countries to follow Cuba’s example in health care. Years before, the World Health Organization’s ranking of countries with “the fairest mechanism for health-system finance” put Cuba first among Latin American and Caribbean countries (and far ahead of the United States).

Cuba has long had a nearly identical life expectancy to the United States, despite widespread poverty. The humanitarian-physician Paul Farmer notes in his book Pathologies of Power that there’s a saying in Cuba: “We live like poor people, but we die like rich people.”

It’s largely done, as the BBC has reported, through an innovative approach to primary care. Family doctors work in clinics and care for everyone in the surrounding neighborhood. At least once a year, the doctor knocks on your front door (or elsewhere, if you prefer) for a check-up. More than the standard American ritual of listening to your heart and lungs and asking if you’ve noticed any blood coming out of you abnormally, these check-ups involve extensive questions about jobs and social lives and environment—information that’s aided by being right there in a person’s home.

Then the doctors put patients into risk categories and determine how often they need to be seen in the future. Unlike the often fragmented U.S. system where people bounce around between specialists and hospitals, Cuba fosters a holistic approach centered around on a relationship with a primary-care physician.

Spoiler:

The system requires around twice as many primary-care doctors per capita as we have in the U.S., made possible because the country also invested in medical education, creating in 1998 what U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon called “the world’s most advanced medical school.” Cuba has become known for training not just domestic doctors, but those from around the world—and sending its doctors to help other, wealthier countries when needed. During the recent Ebola crisis in Sierra Leone, more than 100 Cuban doctors and nurses were at the front lines.

The much wealthier U.S. also has vaccines and primary-care check-ups, of course. The key difference is that in Cuba, these things are mandatory. They’re seen as akin to doing routine maintenance on a car to keep the warranty valid.

The Atlantic

[stilldropin20]

Fascinating Stuff.

How Cubans Live as Long as Americans at a Tenth of the Cost

1. exercise more.
2. drink more and lots of water.
3. consume less drugs like alcohol, cigerettes, coke, molly, opiods)
4. eat healthier foods.

i just reduced the costs of healthcare in half and increased american life expectancy by 4 years!!

[dckingsfan]

...nearly identical life expectancy...

I think they missed the point, no? Or paraphrasing Clinton, It's substance abuse, dummy.

http://fortune.com/2018/02/09/us-life-expectancy-dropped-again/