Official Trade Thread XV: 12/22/10 - 5/3/11

[montestewart]

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I wanted Tiny Gallon. I liked his name.

[BanndNDC]

As perhaps the biggest Nick Young hater on these boards the past few years I have mixed feelings on the subject. My goal at the beginning of the year was to just get his trade value up enough to get something for him. That has happened, and in many ways I would be inclined to cash out now. But I must admit that Young has made great strides this year and has definitely advanced his game one level and on a team with so few talents (im actually of the opinion that we've overachieved, it is shocking to me that when I look at the standings that there are 5 teams worse than us) it is hard to give up on one of the few NBA caliber players we have.

Not to get all WizNasty but it seems to me that NBA talent is taking a leap forward. It is getting physically and mentally faster and there is a clear delineation between players who can make those leaps of speed and those who can't. The stars are both physically and mentally quick, the good role players can do one and are ok at the other. Nick Young is physically quick enough but the knock has been that he isn't mentally quick enough. Based on this season that knock has been somewhat lessened but we have to admit there's a plateau. He can and will be a solid role player.

Our problem is that he isn't a real building block. He's a nice architectural flourish that helps buildings separate themselves from the pack but isn't foundational. At the right price he's good to have but overpay and the balance is out of whack. Long story short, i dont think anything matters until we know what our draft position is and who is available. This year's 1st round pick is the most important move of the next 5 years. It will determine the style and needs of the team going forward. Based on current mocks, that's likely to be a 4. The most important thing for this organization right now is to develop a style. Wall allows us to go in a couple of different directions but EG has a habit of drafting very haphazardly, compulsive gambler, and it worries me.

In the end, I'm trying to trade Blatche for a piece that will fit and if Young is the sweetener to get a better fit i'm throwing him in in a heartbeat (while acting like they're pulling my teeth). He's good to have but not necessary to have. Long term he's at best an average starter or an above average bench player (and our only NBA level SG) and that's the conundrum.

[fishercob]

Nice post, BanndNDC. I also enjoy reading those who are smarter and more articulate.

[montestewart]

it is shocking to me that when I look at the standings that there are 5 teams worse than us

That made me laugh. Who are these teams, and why are they so bad?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Fishercob...weren't you pining for Rudy Fernandez for like the past 2 years? Did you use advanced metrics when you were offering up McGee on a silver platter for him?

JK dude.

I don't think I ever advocated offerring Javale for Rudy. But yes, I wanted Rudy badly. What can I say? Dat has his Kwame. CCJ has his Morris Almond. You stick around here long enough and you're going to be wrong plenty.

I still would have liked to have seen Rudy here -- out of Portland and Roy's shadow, in a much more international city. I think he could have been better than Young. We'll never know.

[verbal8]

In the end, I'm trying to trade Blatche for a piece that will fit and if Young is the sweetener to get a better fit i'm throwing him in in a heartbeat (while acting like they're pulling my teeth). He's good to have but not necessary to have. Long term he's at best an average starter or an above average bench player (and our only NBA level SG) and that's the conundrum.

I think this is the Wizards best trade package. Young and Blatche have show enough that they have value based on their current production. They also are young enough that they should be able to get a young and talented player in return. The problem is I don't know what players would be available in return.

[TGW]

Wiz trade: Blatche, Young, Yi, Howard, Seraphin
Wiz receive: Mayo, Jefferson, Price

The Wiz get solid talent in the form of Mayo and Jefferson. Jefferson provides a legitimate post threat.

Wall
Mayo
Lewis
Jefferson
McGee

Clips trade: Kaman, Warren
Clips receive: Blatche, Yi

The Clips save a ton of money and get a more durable player in Blatche, who can play both power forward and center.

*note: Josh Howard can be sent to the Clips instead of Yi if that makes a difference. I know the Clips are looking for a veteran small forward*

Davis
Gordon
Aminu
Griffin
Blatche

Grizz trade: Mayo
Grizz receive: Howard, Warren, Seraphin

The grizz receive a vet in Howard (who's expring), and two decent young prospects in Seraphin and Warren.

Lineup unchanged.

Jazz trade: Jefferson, Price
Jazz receive: Young, Kaman

The Jazz receive a true center who would fit in well in Utah's system and a shooting guard who can light it up from outside. Caveman hasn't played well this year, but a change in scenery would do him some good.

Williams
Young
Kirilenko
Millsap
Kaman

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

As perhaps the biggest Nick Young hater on these boards the past few years I have mixed feelings on the subject. My goal at the beginning of the year was to just get his trade value up enough to get something for him. That has happened, and in many ways I would be inclined to cash out now. But I must admit that Young has made great strides this year and has definitely advanced his game one level and on a team with so few talents (im actually of the opinion that we've overachieved, it is shocking to me that when I look at the standings that there are 5 teams worse than us) it is hard to give up on one of the few NBA caliber players we have.

Not to get all WizNasty but it seems to me that NBA talent is taking a leap forward. It is getting physically and mentally faster and there is a clear delineation between players who canmake those leaps of speed and those who can't. The stars are both physically and mentally quick, the good role players can do one and are ok at the other. Nick Young is physically quick enough but the knock has been that he isn't mentally quick enough. Based on this season that knock has been somewhat lessened but we have to admit there's a plateau. He can and will be a solid role player.

Our problem is that he isn't a real building block. He's a nice architectural flourish that helps buildings separate themselves from the pack but isn't foundational. At the right price he's good to have but overpay and the balance is out of whack. Long story short, i dont think anything matters until we know what our draft position is and who is available. This year's 1st round pick is the most important move of the next 5 years. It will determine the style and needs of the team going forward. Based on current mocks, that's likely to be a 4. The most important thing for this organization right now is to develop a style. Wall allows us to go in a couple of different directions but EG has a habit of drafting very haphazardly, compulsive gambler, and it worries me.

In the end, I'm trying to trade Blatche for a piece that will fit and if Young is the sweetener to get a better fit i'm throwing him in in a heartbeat (while acting like they're pulling my teeth). He's good to have but not necessary to have. Long term he's at best an average starter or an above average bench player (and our only NBA level SG) and that's the conundrum.

Great post, BNDC.

I think the Wizards need outspoken, demonstrative, INTELLIGENT leadership. Wall is too busy going 100mph on the court. He is not the guy yet to lead this team. OTOH the kid Williams at Arizona might be because a throwdown dunker with a complete game will command respect right away. I don't know about Williams' or Sullinger's backgrounds or personalities, but they have games and upside to fit the bill. Kanter might, also.

Whoever the Wizards draft needs to be mature. Nolan Smith impresses me.

[nate33]

Wiz trade: Blatche, Young, Yi, Howard, Seraphin
Wiz receive: Mayo, Jefferson, Price

Mayo sucks. Price sucks. As far as I'm concerned, it's Blatche + Young for Jefferson.

Here's what gives me pause: Jefferson's on/off differentials in each of the past four seasons:
2010 -14.3
2009 -2.4
2008 +3.6
2007 -11.7

He strikes me as being pretty similar to Blatche. He puts up nice numbers with mediocre efficiency while hurting his team. At best, he's somewhat like the Blatche of last season.

[theboomking]

Wiz trade: Blatche, Young, Yi, Howard, Seraphin
Wiz receive: Mayo, Jefferson, Price

Mayo sucks. Price sucks. As far as I'm concerned, it's Blatche + Young for Jefferson.

Here's what gives me pause: Jefferson's on/off differentials in each of the past four seasons:
2010 -14.3
2009 -2.4
2008 +3.6
2007 -11.7

He strikes me as being pretty similar to Blatche. He puts up nice numbers with mediocre efficiency while hurting his team. At best, he's somewhat like the Blatche of last season.

Not to mention that Randolph turns 30 this summer. That isn't a building block we can make good use of.

I don't love Mayo either, but wouldn't mind trading Blatche for Mayo. I wouldn't love it, but I wouldn't mind it. One HA gone, and another in. Mayo would at least have a role as our primary bench scorer. Blatche, minus a one wek span, is just sucking down our offensive efficiency every week. Despite being so maligned, Blatche is probably a better defender than Mayo. I guess it depends on what we get in the draft. I like Sullinger/Kanter/Williams/Jones and young and Mayo better than Blatche and Young and...who is our yound backup SG again? That's right, we don't have one.

[TGW]

^^^Who said anything about Randolph?

[nate33]

I don't love Mayo either, but wouldn't mind trading Blatche for Mayo. I wouldn't love it, but I wouldn't mind it. One HA gone, and another in. Mayo would at least have a role as our primary bench scorer. Blatche, minus a one wek span, is just sucking down our offensive efficiency every week. Despite being so maligned, Blatche is probably a better defender than Mayo. I guess it depends on what we get in the draft. I like Sullinger/Kanter/Williams/Jones and young and Mayo better than Blatche and Young and...who is our yound backup SG again? That's right, we don't have one.

I wouldn't trade ANYTHING of value for Mayo. I wouldn't trade Booker for Mayo. Mayo is an utterly replaceable player. If we want him, we could just wait a year and sign him as a free agent. There's no sense giving up anything for him.

[theboomking]

^^^Who said anything about Randolph?

My bad. Can't say I'd be that much happier with Jefferson, but at least he's younger. The rumblings out of Utah have been that Jefferson's defense might be what has been holding the team back.

[Kanyewest]

I still would have liked to have seen Rudy here -- out of Portland and Roy's shadow, in a much more international city. I think he could have been better than Young. We'll never know.

Now Rudy is in Wes Matthews shadow

Seriously though, Nate McMillan is one of the best coaches in the league so I think the problem is with Fernandez. Fernandez has had the opportunity to perform as a 6th man off the bench but it just hasn't worked out for him- especially since the Blazers did play Roy at the point guard spot.

[Kanyewest]

I don't love Mayo either, but wouldn't mind trading Blatche for Mayo. I wouldn't love it, but I wouldn't mind it. One HA gone, and another in. Mayo would at least have a role as our primary bench scorer. Blatche, minus a one wek span, is just sucking down our offensive efficiency every week. Despite being so maligned, Blatche is probably a better defender than Mayo. I guess it depends on what we get in the draft. I like Sullinger/Kanter/Williams/Jones and young and Mayo better than Blatche and Young and...who is our yound backup SG again? That's right, we don't have one.

I wouldn't trade ANYTHING of value for Mayo. I wouldn't trade Booker for Mayo. Mayo is an utterly replaceable player. If we want him, we could just wait a year and sign him as a free agent. There's no sense giving up anything for him.

If you believe in buying low, and you think Mayo will succeed long term- it wouldn't necessarily be horrible. Theoretically, you would have the advantage of keeping him at a lower price as a free agent rather than overbidding for him in free agency.

It also depends if you want to keep this group of bigs together of Blatche, McGee, Seraphin, or Booker and if a better one presents itself in the draft. Maybe you cut one loose in order to balance out the roster- or better position this team for the future.

That being said, I don't know if Mayo would be a good fit at the shooting guard position because of his lack of length and he also needs the ball in his hands to be effective.

[closg00]

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I wanted Tiny Gallon. I liked his name.

Tiny is Boston's cheap back-up option if they are unable to sign Davis, they have Gallon on their D-League team un-protected.

[fishercob]

Good to see Hiny back in the lineup over the weekend. Hopefully Shakur will shake of the cobwebs and Josh will come back strong and Kirk will have a few nice games -- so we can trade him. If Shakur is decent and Howard plays some 2, we really don't need Kirk.

We've been so focused on expirings, but what about taking back another salary that ends next year and a pick for Kirk. Let's leverage the lockout.

[fishercob]

So what about Blatche and Hinrich for Nene and a small filler like Melvin Ely?

This could potentially appeal to DEN if a Melo deal rekindles that has them moving Billups too. Hinrich would be a good fit. They get a lot younger with Blatche over Nene.

We get a hold of Nene and wait for the CBA to make him more affordable to re-sign. Of course, DEN may want that opportunity too.

[Ruzious]

So what about Blatche and Hinrich for Nene and a small filler like Melvin Ely?

This could potentially appeal to DEN if a Melo deal rekindles that has them moving Billups too. Hinrich would be a good fit. They get a lot younger with Blatche over Nene.

We get a hold of Nene and wait for the CBA to make him more affordable to re-sign. Of course, DEN may want that opportunity too.

Indeed they would. I would give up quite a lot for Nene - if Denver let's us negotiate an extension before the trade. He's a horse, as Lefty Driesell would say.

[nate33]

So what about Blatche and Hinrich for Nene and a small filler like Melvin Ely?

This could potentially appeal to DEN if a Melo deal rekindles that has them moving Billups too. Hinrich would be a good fit. They get a lot younger with Blatche over Nene.

We get a hold of Nene and wait for the CBA to make him more affordable to re-sign. Of course, DEN may want that opportunity too.

All that really gets us is Early Bird rights on Nene. We'd have no actual advantage over other under-the-cap teams in signing him in the offseason. We could accomplish the exact same thing by trading Blatche and Hinrich for any expiring contracts (and we could probably finagle a pick or two in the transaction).

The only way that deal makes sense is if Nene agrees to extension first.