2012 Draft, Part VI (Draft Week is Here!)

truwizfan4evr · Post #661 » by **truwizfan4evr** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:40 am

Whats funny the laker fans actually think this deal will take place.

sfam · Post #662 » by **sfam** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:41 am

truwizfan4evr wrote:IAMAGM.com ‏@IAMAGM
Rumors: Lakers trying to move Metta World Peace for a late first-round pick, also Pau Gasol to Wizards for #3 pick

Ugh, stop. With both of those. Nobody is giving a first for Ron Freaking Artest, and NOBODY in the top 10 is giving their pick for Gasol. Why this rumor is still here I don't have any idea.

EDIT: On second thought, perhaps we should be shopping Blatche for a late-round first. That makes sense, right?

wackywabbit · Post #663 » by **wackywabbit** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:46 am

#3 + Kevin Seraphin for James Harden. Do it. Makes a lot of sense for both teams.

jivelikenice · Post #664 » by **jivelikenice** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:50 am

wackywabbit wrote:#3 + Kevin Seraphin for James Harden. Do it. Makes a lot of sense for both teams.

Awful trade for us. I'm iffy on #3 for Harden straight up. I'd never toss in Seraphin

Nivek · Post #665 » by **Nivek** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:53 am

Rafael122 wrote:
tontoz wrote:
Rafael122 wrote:It's basically a wash, Blatche makes $6.5 million, Harden makes $4.6 million, but include their first round pick and second round and its basically the same salaries.

Why would they dump Harden due to salary concerns and take on Blatche's multiyear deal? If we trade for Harden there is no way they take Blatche.

Harden's salary in the upcoming season is $5.8 million. The $4.6 million number is for the season just ended.

I mean amnestying Blatche is still the option but if you can trade him if given the chance, I would think you would have to do it right?

But why would OKC take Blatche? They won't be able to amnesty him. They'll be stuck with Blatche's salary on their cap until they can move him or until his contract expires.

truwizfan4evr · Post #666 » by **truwizfan4evr** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:53 am

jivelikenice wrote:
wackywabbit wrote:#3 + Kevin Seraphin for James Harden. Do it. Makes a lot of sense for both teams.

Awful trade for us. I'm iffy on #3 for Harden straight up. I'd never toss in Seraphin

plus Harden is a free agent?

jivelikenice · Post #667 » by **jivelikenice** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:54 am

LyricalRico wrote:
FAH1223 wrote:if the Spurs want Beal, that just means we need to take him.

And if the Spurs AND Thunder want him, we should trade up to #2 to make sure!

It will take more than our 2nd rounder to move up to #2. I wouldn't give a good piece to move up one spot, especially considering Charlotte likely won't take him if they stay at #2.

jivelikenice · Post #668 » by **jivelikenice** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:54 am

truwizfan4evr wrote:
jivelikenice wrote:
wackywabbit wrote:#3 + Kevin Seraphin for James Harden. Do it. Makes a lot of sense for both teams.

Awful trade for us. I'm iffy on #3 for Harden straight up. I'd never toss in Seraphin

plus Harden is a free agent?

Even if you get him to sign an extension, its a bad deal...

sfam · Post #669 » by **sfam** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:55 am

wackywabbit wrote:#3 + Kevin Seraphin for James Harden. Do it. Makes a lot of sense for both teams.

How 'bout we don't. OKC will have to part with Harden soon anyways, this is why this deal makes sense for them. Would be more reasonable to have the #3 for Harden + their #1 pick.

Post #670 » by **LyricalRico** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:55 am

^ Eh, that was mostly hyperbole. I think we're fine where we are at 3 if we want Beal.

willbcocks · Post #671 » by **willbcocks** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:02 am

I've never understood the Beal to Cleveland talk--there is a perfect choice for Cleveland, and it's not Beal, it's MKG.

Irving is a fantastic shooter and player but he's not the ridiculous athlete that Wall is. MKG is a ridiculous athlete but not a great shooter. Why not get him instead?

sfam · Post #672 » by **sfam** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:04 am

Dumb article from WaPo stating that the Wizards FO are still deciding between 3 options, but are definitely not trading the pick. No chance that they're still deliberating. They have clearly dropped it down to two possibilities with a clear favorite. Lets just hope Barnes didn't make the cut.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/wi ... story.html

wake20 · Post #673 » by **wake20** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:04 am

Or make them take Blatche.

This is where the Lewis trade makes me mad. We could go with Robinson/MKG and look to sign Harden when OKC chooses to extend Ibake at a reasonable price over Harden. Wall/Harden/MKG/Seraphin/Nene or Wall/Harden/X/Robinson/Nene would be respectable.

MF23 · Post #674 » by **MF23** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:04 am

Are you guys f'n kidding me? Why wouldn't someone trade Saraphin and #3 for Harden? James Harden is easily one of the top 20 players in the NBA. Intellegent, athletic, young and proven. I better not hear EG turned down that trade! That's a championship backcourt you embrace as the nucleus of the team end of discussion!

MF23 · Post #675 » by **MF23** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:08 am

BTW, if that trade goes down I'm going to hate the NOH trade even more. Paralyzes what you can do with the roster.

TGW · Post #676 » by **TGW** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:10 am

MF23 wrote:Are you guys f'n kidding me? Why wouldn't someone trade Saraphin and #3 for Harden? James Harden is easily one of the top 20 players in the NBA. Intellegent, athletic, young and proven. I better not hear EG turned down that trade! That's a championship backcourt you embrace as the nucleus of the team end of discussion!

I'll do #3 for Harden. Yes, Seraphin would be a sticking point if they asked...I would say no. The Wizards need to stop throwing in assets when the package offered is more than suitable.

So no, I wouldn't do Seraphin + 3 for Harden. I'd rather have Beal and Seraphin than Harden.

wackywabbit · Post #677 » by **wackywabbit** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:12 am

jivelikenice wrote:
truwizfan4evr wrote:
jivelikenice wrote:[q="wackywabbit"]#3 + Kevin Seraphin for James Harden. Do it. Makes a lot of sense for both teams.[/q]

Awful trade for us. I'm iffy on #3 for Harden straight up. I'd never toss in Seraphin

plus Harden is a free agent?

Even if you get him to sign an extension, its a bad deal...

It wouldn't be a fair trade unless both fan bases thought the pieces they were trading were way more valuable than the ones they are receiving.

If Harden agrees to an extension, it'd be a great trade for the Wiz. (Isn't he a RFA anyways, allowing the Wiz to match?)

dangermouse · Post #678 » by **dangermouse** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:17 am

The Lakers offering Pau for a top 5 pick to get Kidd-Gilchrist?

How enticing :roll:

This just solidifies my opinion that he and Beal are going to be great players. All the great teams want them.

Knighthonor · Post #679 » by **Knighthonor** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:17 am

what time tomorrow? I cant take this crap any longer!!!!

80sballboy · Post #680 » by **80sballboy** » Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:19 am

Nivek wrote:
WizarDynasty wrote:Drummond is the player I have been waiting on for a decade. In two or three years we will have the best young bigman and point guard every night no matter the match. A superstar big and superstar point under age 24 both with great character is the foundation of a dynasty. Its Leonsis destiny to ensure that wizards become a dynasty. Leonsis deserves to be the one responsible not eg. We can focus on role players once we are stuck in middle of the draft because we wont ever be in a position to draft a franchise player.

I posted this a few pages back, but it seems like a decent spot for a re-post:

As Lamar Odom once said of Javale, the game is basketball, not run and jump. The game requires skill in addition to athletic ability. There's absolutely no reason Drummond can't gain the skill necessary to be a dominating NBA center. All it will take is extended, focused, deliberate work to develop those skills. If he's willing to put in years of work on his game, he could be a great player in a few years. But that's true of many draft prospects.

As for Drummond's physical attributes, he's an impressive athlete, but don't get too carried away. His standing reach is a little below average for a drafted center. His max vertical reach (the highest point he could reach) was about the same as guys like as Hassan Whiteside, Okafor, Jeremy Tyler, Bogut, Deandre Jordan, Lamarcus Aldridge, Joakim Noah, Amare, Brook Lopez, BJ Mullens, Tyson Chandler, Pops Mensah-Bonsu, Patrick O'Bryant, Al Horford, Brendan Haywood, Eddy Curry, Chris Bosh, Ruben Boumtje-Boumtje, Enes Kanter...

His bench press reps were average for a drafted center.

His agility time was excellent -- just a bit slower than Boozer, Jackson Vroman, Nene, Miles Plumlee, and more than a full second slower than Josh Harrellson.

His sprint time was very good -- about the same as Tyler Zeller, Bernard James, Splitter, Malik Allen, Chris Burgess, Chris Kaman, Al Horford, Plumlee, Chandler, Greg Monroe... His sprint was markedly slower than guys like Bosh, Festus Ezeli, Jeremy Tyler, Al Jefferson, Nick Collison, Deandre Jordan, Nikola Vucevic, Pape Sow, Kanter, McGee, Amare, Nene, Okafor, and Dwight Howard.

So yeah, the guy is an impressive athlete. But it means nothing until he adds skill. Maybe he'll add that skill, maybe he won't. It's going to take more work than he's ever done in his life.

Miami proved that you don't need a dominant big man. Dallas' dominant big was a jump shooting 7-footer. Dwight Howard needs a good team around him to win a ring and in fact, he had a pretty good one a few years back. He needs a great player. That's what it's all about. Duncan is the quintissential big. Smart, agile, now old. But still very good.

I'd rather have guys that know the game and know how to play it instead of just an athletic freak. Or a guy with an incredible wing span. Been there, done that.