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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#661 » by Wizardspride » Sun Mar 17, 2013 3:32 am

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TGW wrote:I have to wonder if Len will end up much better than Isiah Austin out of Baylor. Austin actually posted better numbers this year.

Watch what happens as Len gets stronger and has an actual PG to feed him.

He's just not a natural basketball player. It's like he has to think through his moves before doing them - rather just doing them instinctively like other players... who are better than him. If he goes in the draft, he's not going to play his rookie year - he's not ready.


It's not surprising that he's "not a natural basketball player".

Alex Len's primary focus was gymnastics growing up...so what seems second nature to many players probably doesn't to him.


I just know you can't teach 7-1, 250, crazy wing span and athleticism.

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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#662 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:13 am

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It's not surprising that he's "not a natural basketball player".

Alex Len's primary focus was gymnastics growing up...so what seems second nature to many players probably doesn't to him.


I just know you can't teach 7-1, 250, crazy wing span and athleticism.



Yeah Len looked really good. Played with passion, effort, heart. Terps made a strong effort to get the ball in to him. Showed it all... soft touch around the basket, pick n pop, getting to the line and making them, running the floor. Makes you wonder what took so long. Why wasn't this happening all season??

True Terps have zero PG play. The guards they have are all trying to get there own shot, and utilizing Len is the last thing on their minds. Agree he's been very disappointing as a college player, but he is intriguing as a pro prospect. He is not a soft perimeter center like Bargnani. He is a low post center, with an array of offensive skills. His size and agility is impressive. I can see how he might thrive in the more wide open NBA.

Bennett is also intriguing. He's a PF though. His size, and those massive shoulders and long arms leave no doubt. And he's only going to get bigger and stronger. And his offensive skills at PF are more unique, and adding that weapon to the Wizards arsenal in the front court would vastly improve the team offense, provided Webster is retained.

I'm gonna say Noel, then Porter top my list for the Wizards. After that, it really gets murky. I'm thinking Bennett, then Len. But I'm not positive about the order. But I'd say that at least is my top 4, I'll be happy if we end up with any of these. My personal favorite though for the Wizards is Otto Porter.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#663 » by Wizardspride » Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:40 am

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I'm gonna say Noel, then Porter top my list for the Wizards. After that, it really gets murky. I'm thinking Bennett, then Len. But I'm not positive about the order. But I'd say that at least is my top 4, I'll be happy if we end up with any of these. My personal favorite though for the Wizards is Otto Porter.

Assuming we're picking 5-10, Len is at the top of my list.

And that's largely due to him playing a position that we'll need to fill in the near future.


I was a proponent of selecting Andre Drummond last draft and I feel the same way about Len.

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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#664 » by TheBigThree » Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:07 am

Len is going to be a really solid pro. I see a lot of Brook Lopez in him. My only concern with him would be his hands. He seems to lose the ball a lot in traffic, but hopefully that's something he can work on.

Given that we're rapidly moving higher in our likely pick, I'd be perfectly happy with Len who can learn how to play from veteran big men.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#665 » by stevemcqueen1 » Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:28 am

dandrews wrote:Len can either develop under a college game with Pe'shon Howard as the point guard or he can go to the draft and develop under a professional basketball team. It's really not a hard decision to make. This is why I never understood the needs another year in school argument. Professional development is so much better than college.


If you're not ready to seize a role and demand minutes early in your NBA career, you will bust and be on your way within a few years of being drafted. See Jan Vesely. Personally, I don't think Len is physically or mentally ready to command a role and early minutes. I think there are very few teams that could successfully and patiently develop him.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#666 » by Knighthonor » Sun Mar 17, 2013 6:00 am

yeah too risky. But a big here or a 6th man would be nice. Liking that Ben dude. If only he had better handle, and a 3 point shot, he could sub for Webster's place when he gets traded.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#667 » by Knighthonor » Sun Mar 17, 2013 7:16 am

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POINT GUARD - Very deep and interesting group. Lots of variety, lots of unproven talent. Nobody stands out at the top, yet. Lots of potential 1st rounders though.

Top-10 (no order)
Myck Kabongo | PG | 6-1 170 | Texas | 19
Kyle Anderson | PG/SF | 6-8 220 | UCLA |19
Isaiah Canaan | PG | 6-0 190 | Murray St | 21
BJ Young | PG | 6-3 185 | Arkansas | 19
Lorenzo Brown | PG/SG | 6-4 185 | NC State | 21
CJ McCollum | PG | 6-3 185 | Lehigh | 20
Ryan Harrow | PG | 6-1 170 | Kentucky | 21
Trey Burke | PG | 5-11 185 | Michigan | 19
Phil Pressey | PG | 5-11 160 | Missouri | 21
Michael Carter-Williams | PG/SG | 6-5 175 | Syracuse | 20
OTHERS
Elijah Johnson | PG/SG | 6-3 190 | Kansas | 22
Ray McCallum | PG | 6-2 185 | Detroit | 21
Pierre Jackson | PG | 5-9 180 | Baylor | 21
Peyton Siva | PG | 5-11 175 | Louisville | 21
Aaron Craft | PG | 6-1 190 | Ohio St | 21
Dexter Strickland | PG/SG | 6-3 190 | North Carolina | 22

SHOOTING GUARD - Another deep group full of unproven talent. However, Muhammad easily stands out amongst them - and this group is promising for a league short on great 2s.

Top-10 (no order)
Shabazz Muhammad | SG/SF | 6-6 220 | UCLA | 18
Ricardo Ledo | SG | 6-6 210 | Providence | 19
Ben McLemore | SG | 6-4 200 | Kansas | 20
Wayne Blackshear | SG | 6-5 215 | Louisville | 20
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope | SG | 6-5 205 | Georgia | 19
Archie Goodwin | SG | 6-4 200 | Kentucky | 17
Tim Hardaway Jr | SG | 6-5 185 | Michigan | 20
Alex Abrines | SG | 6-5 190 | Barcelona | 19
Rodney Purvis | SG/PG | 6-4 190 | NC State | 18
Reggie Bullock | SG/SF | 6-6 195 | North Carolina | 21
OTHERS
Allen Crabbe | SG/SF | 6-6 205 | California | 21
CJ Wilcox | SG | 6-5 190 | Washington | 21
Michael Snaer | SG | 6-4 190 | Florida St | 22
Brandon Paul | SG | 6-4 205 | Illinois | 20
Jamaal Franklin | SG | 6-5 195 | San Diego St | 21
Kenny Boynton | SG/PG | 6-2 185 | Florida | 21
Vander Blue | SG/PG | 6-4 205 | Marquette | 21
Victor Oladipo | SG | 6-5 210 | Indiana | 21

SMALL FORWARD - Yet another deep group with a bunch of unproven guys (lol). Definitely a common theme for this '13 class.

Top-10 (no order)
Alex Poythress | SF | 6-8 220 | Kentucky | 18?
Tony Mitchell | SF/PF | 6-8 225 | North Texas | 20
LeBryan Nash | SF | 6-7 235 | Oklahoma St | 20
Glenn Robinson III | SF/SG | 6-6 200 | Michigan | 18
Dario Saric | SF/PF | 6-10 220 | Croatia | 18
Otto Porter | SF/PF | 6-8 210 | Georgetown | 19
Adonis Thomas | SF | 6-7 210 | Memphis | 19
Doug McDermott | SF/PF | 6-7 215 | Creighton | 20
CJ Fair | SF/PF | 6-8 215 | Syracuse |21
Jakarr Sampson | SF/PF | 6-8 215 | St John's | 19
OTHERS
Rodney Williams | SF | 6-7 205 | Minnesota | 21
DeShaun Thomas | SF/PF | 6-7 225 | Ohio St | 21
Branden Dawson | SF | 6-6 200 | Michigan St | 19
PJ Hairston | SF/SG | 6-5 230 | North Carolina | 19

POWER FORWARD - It seems like PF is often the strongest position annually, but this year it looks to be the weakest. There is decent depth however.

Top-10 (no order)
James Michael McAdoo | PF | 6-9 235 | North Carolina | 19
Isaiah Austin | PF/C | 7-0 215 | Baylor | 18
Patric Young | PF | 6-8 255 | Florida | 20
Mason Plumlee | PF | 6-11 225 | Duke | 22
CJ Leslie | PF/SF | 6-9 215 | NC State | 21
Anthony Bennett | PF/SF | 6-8 230 | UNLV | 19
Rakeem Christmas | PF/C | 6-9 240 | Syracuse | 20
Mike Moser | PF/SF | 6-8 225 | UNLV | 21
Andre Roberson | PF/SF | 6-7 210 | Colorado | 20
CJ Aiken | PF/SF | 6-9 205 | St Joseph's | 22
Trevor Mbakwe | PF | 6-8 240 | Minnesota | 23
OTHERS
Augusto Lima | PF | 6-9 235 | Brazil |
Alex Oriakhi | PF/C | 6-9 250 | Missouri | 23
Jarnell Stokes | PF | 6-9 250 | Tennessee | 18
Christian Watford | SF/PF | 6-9 230 | Indiana | 21
Chase Behanan | PF | 6-7 250 | Louisville | 20

CENTER - Possibly the best group of Cs in many years. Possibly four top-10 prospects amongst them. An enticing group to say the least.

Top-10 (no order)
Nerlens Noel | C/PF | 6-11 215 | Kentucky | 18
Cody Zeller | C/PF | 6-11 230 | Indiana | 19
Steven Adams | C/PF | 7-0 240 | Pittsburgh | 18
Rudy Gobert | C | 7-2 235 | France | 20
Alex Len | C | 7-1 225 | Maryland | 19
Jeff Withey | C | 7-0 240 | Kansas | 22
Alec Brown | C | 7-1 230 | Wisc-Greensboro | 20
Josh Smith | C | 6-9 285 | UCLA | 20
Gorgui Dieng | C | 6-11 225 | Louisville | 22
Kaleb Tarczewski | C | 7-0 245 | Arizona | 19
OTHERS
Adreian Payne | C/PF | 6-11 225 | Michigan St | 21
DeWayne Dedmon | C | 7-0 250 | USC | 23
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#668 » by WizarDynasty » Sun Mar 17, 2013 12:38 pm

another person who was a gymnast was eddy curry. Len is a second round pick at best. Just by the way he swats at the ball tells you he isn't really athletic. He reminds me off one the biggest bust Hasheem Thabeet.
A skinny guy with no lower power and can't bend his knees, lacks seriously defensive court awareness and isn't a freak athletically to me screams second round project at best. the only center worthy of a lottery pick is steven adams like i said before.
Bennet playing small forward coming off the bench to give the second unit a player who can get to the free throw line at will works for me. He has the same athleticism and style as carmelo anthony.
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Post#669 » by Earth2Ted » Sun Mar 17, 2013 2:31 pm

Wizardspride wrote:Assuming we're picking 5-10, Len is at the top of my list.

And that's largely due to him playing a position that we'll need to fill in the near future.


I was a proponent of selecting Andre Drummond last draft and I feel the same way about Len.


I agree that Len is underrated due to bad guard play around him like Drummond was. I would be happy if either he or Zeller dropped to us at #9 like Chad Ford's simulator has it now. And I totally believe the word on the street that Ernie Grunfeld is really high on Len- he certainly didn't hide how much he liked Beal and Vesely the past couple years.

I just think that Len finds a way to move up higher than #9- especially after how productive Drummond has been his rookie year after having looked pretty clueless at UConn.
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Post#670 » by jmrosenth » Sun Mar 17, 2013 2:52 pm

Best case scenario would be Zeller dropping to us. I just don't see it happening though. I do think Oladipo is going to be a real possibility though. Just like the NCAA in general this season, I think this draft class is going to be truly wacky. I don't think there's a ton separating the guys who are being discussed as lottery picks, and those at the back end of the 1st round, eg, I think people are sleeping on Tim Hardaway Jr. because of Trey Burke's emergence. He'd be a good, cheap replacement for Webster. Would have no problem trading down in this draft.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#671 » by nate33 » Sun Mar 17, 2013 3:19 pm

jmrosenth wrote:Best case scenario would be Zeller dropping to us. I just don't see it happening though. I do think Oladipo is going to be a real possibility though. Just like the NCAA in general this season, I think this draft class is going to be truly wacky. I don't think there's a ton separating the guys who are being discussed as lottery picks, and those at the back end of the 1st round, eg, I think people are sleeping on Tim Hardaway Jr. because of Trey Burke's emergence. He'd be a good, cheap replacement for Webster. Would have no problem trading down in this draft.

Tim Hardaway Jr. is only 6-5 and has a lackluster TS% of .540. He doesn't have the size for SF, and I question whether he has the shooting ability to be either a SG or a SF. He shoots 69% from the FT line and just 35% from the college 3 as a junior. Indeed, he has shown practically no improvement since his freshman year.
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Post#672 » by Ruzious » Sun Mar 17, 2013 3:58 pm

I think Hardaway is a gifted player who just doesn't understand team basketball. He'd be a great streetball player. He wants to go 1 on 1 with everyone when there's no need to with the offense he's in. If he'd work on his catch and shoot game and play within team concepts, I think he could become a good NBA shooting guard, but he's got to change his game.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#673 » by DMVleGeND » Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:02 pm

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I'm gonna say Noel, then Porter top my list for the Wizards. After that, it really gets murky. I'm thinking Bennett, then Len. But I'm not positive about the order. But I'd say that at least is my top 4, I'll be happy if we end up with any of these. My personal favorite though for the Wizards is Otto Porter.

Assuming we're picking 5-10, Len is at the top of my list.

And that's largely due to him playing a position that we'll need to fill in the near future.


I was a proponent of selecting Andre Drummond last draft and I feel the same way about Len.


As was I, but the difference between Drummond and Len is that Drummond wasn't a weakling and is a great defender.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#674 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:41 pm

jmrosenth wrote:Best case scenario would be Zeller dropping to us. I just don't see it happening though. I do think Oladipo is going to be a real possibility though. Just like the NCAA in general this season, I think this draft class is going to be truly wacky. I don't think there's a ton separating the guys who are being discussed as lottery picks, and those at the back end of the 1st round, eg, I think people are sleeping on Tim Hardaway Jr. because of Trey Burke's emergence. He'd be a good, cheap replacement for Webster. Would have no problem trading down in this draft.




IMO this is the question to ask, who would you take between Zeller and Len. I'm assuming Noel and Porter are higher on Ernie's board, at least I hope so. But if they're gone, who would you take between these 2 big men?


Zeller's more polished and NBA ready, but Len may have more potential and a higher ceiling.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#675 » by Wizardspride » Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:49 pm

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I'm gonna say Noel, then Porter top my list for the Wizards. After that, it really gets murky. I'm thinking Bennett, then Len. But I'm not positive about the order. But I'd say that at least is my top 4, I'll be happy if we end up with any of these. My personal favorite though for the Wizards is Otto Porter.

Assuming we're picking 5-10, Len is at the top of my list.

And that's largely due to him playing a position that we'll need to fill in the near future.


I was a proponent of selecting Andre Drummond last draft and I feel the same way about Len.


As was I, but the difference between Drummond and Len is that Drummond wasn't a weakling and is a great defender.

That's true but many of you guys are looking at Len as he is now.

I'm projecting what his upside will be.

Granted, I could be wrong.....but I don't think so..... :D

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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#676 » by Wizardspride » Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:51 pm

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jmrosenth wrote:Best case scenario would be Zeller dropping to us. I just don't see it happening though. I do think Oladipo is going to be a real possibility though. Just like the NCAA in general this season, I think this draft class is going to be truly wacky. I don't think there's a ton separating the guys who are being discussed as lottery picks, and those at the back end of the 1st round, eg, I think people are sleeping on Tim Hardaway Jr. because of Trey Burke's emergence. He'd be a good, cheap replacement for Webster. Would have no problem trading down in this draft.




IMO this is the question to ask, who would you take between Zeller and Len. I'm assuming Noel and Porter are higher on Ernie's board, at least I hope so. But if they're gone, who would you take between these 2 big men?


Zeller's more polished and NBA ready, but Len may have more potential and a higher ceiling.

You know what my answer is but I assume the board's consensus is undoubtedly Zeller.

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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#677 » by stevemcqueen1 » Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:53 pm

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I'm gonna say Noel, then Porter top my list for the Wizards. After that, it really gets murky. I'm thinking Bennett, then Len. But I'm not positive about the order. But I'd say that at least is my top 4, I'll be happy if we end up with any of these. My personal favorite though for the Wizards is Otto Porter.

Assuming we're picking 5-10, Len is at the top of my list.

And that's largely due to him playing a position that we'll need to fill in the near future.


I was a proponent of selecting Andre Drummond last draft and I feel the same way about Len.


As was I, but the difference between Drummond and Len is that Drummond wasn't a weakling and is a great defender.


Agreed. That's a huge difference. 7 footers with NBA ready strength that can move like Len or Drummond are rare. Drummond is enormous, he had to drop weight to get down to like 275. That size has allowed him to make an immediate impact for his team and command a role this year. That's critical for a young player to do unless he gets drafted by a good vet team that can afford to bring a rookie contract along slowly.
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Post#678 » by Ruzious » Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:54 pm

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I'm gonna say Noel, then Porter top my list for the Wizards. After that, it really gets murky. I'm thinking Bennett, then Len. But I'm not positive about the order. But I'd say that at least is my top 4, I'll be happy if we end up with any of these. My personal favorite though for the Wizards is Otto Porter.

Assuming we're picking 5-10, Len is at the top of my list.

And that's largely due to him playing a position that we'll need to fill in the near future.


I was a proponent of selecting Andre Drummond last draft and I feel the same way about Len.


As was I, but the difference between Drummond and Len is that Drummond wasn't a weakling and is a great defender.

Yeah, Drummond could always hang his hat on being a disruptive defender - even with giant holes in his offensive game. Len doesn't have a skill that he could even hang a tie on. Now, with it looking like the Wiz could slip all the way to 10, hopefully there's a team that reaches for him before the Wiz pick. Otherwise, he could be the Wiz pick - which I think would be a disaster. One good game against UNC shouldn't change anyone's view of Len.

One player I wasn't considering at all - mainly because I thought we'd be picking too high to consider him - is McCollum - because he'd be a really good fit. He's not a real PG, but because Beal is such a good distributor, and because Wall has shooting guard size, the Wiz could play him with either Wall or Beal. And look at the Wiz bench. When Ariza and Seraphin are arguably the top bench scorers, you got a really big problem. McCollum is a scorer. Hopefully, he'd be a more efficient version of Jordan Crawford. And because all 3 are good rebounders for guards with good strength and aggression, at times - you could play small ball with the 3 of them.

I could see it coming down to Bennett vs McCollum - though I think Bennett goes earlier.
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Re: Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part II 

Post#679 » by nuposse04 » Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:59 pm

I'd take Austin before I take Len or Zeller, but I'm probably one of the few that would consider such a move.
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Post#680 » by stevemcqueen1 » Sun Mar 17, 2013 4:59 pm

SUPERBALLMAN wrote:IMO this is the question to ask, who would you take between Zeller and Len. I'm assuming Noel and Porter are higher on Ernie's board, at least I hope so. But if they're gone, who would you take between these 2 big men?


Zeller's more polished and NBA ready, but Len may have more potential and a higher ceiling.


Zeller, no question for me. I think looking too hard at things like Len's arm length and his upside could lead to missing the forest through the trees: Zeller is simply a much better basketball player than Len and it hasn't even been close.

Len's going to have to improve a ton just to get to the level that Zeller is at today and Zeller is going to keep getting better too.

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