Official Trade Thread - Part XXX

[payitforward]

Well here is the thing, There are deals out there that make this team better now, and later. The 8th seed is not terrible this year. The cavs are not unbeatable. Kevin love if flawed ON that team, Kyrie is overrated, and LeBron is showing his age. If we do something Drastic like turn beal and a future first in two some good young starters and role players, we can make a run. I still think our best bet is teaming up with Philly, giving them Beal and they send one of their bigs to another team, We get Covington, and some good players form the other team. Denver, Orlando, The kings, The clippers, Nets, Jazz, and team like that would be good for this kind of three way trade.

If "there are deals out there that make this team better now and later" -- sure, lets do as many of those as possible! Of course! But... I'm still waiting to hear about one of those. Robert Covington, for example, is a 25 year old small forward. He's a nice player, an ok player, but I can't see him as someone to target.

Moreover, if we send out Beal, we are left with Garrett Temple and Gary Neal as our 2s. That's not a way to "make this team better now" (depending on who else we got back obviously...).

This off-season Nene goes away, and I sure hope we see the back of Gooden and Humphries. At which point we wouldn't have a single 4 on our roster -- not even one! If we were to send Beal to Philly, I'd want Noel back. Nate thinks his future is as a back up Center, but I see a 21 year old who is putting up excellent numbers already: looks like a starter to me, and maybe a really good one.

Still, Nate may be right -- we'll find out over time. And, Beal is another guy whose future is uncertain, so maybe that makes the trade appropriate. I'd certainly roll with that deal, especially if we got another young player. E.g. T.J. McConnell (but would they do that?), Richaun Holmes, or even Christian Wood.

Actually... Beal for Noel plus whatever would indeed make us better now. But I wonder what Beal's injury and his injury *history* have done to his trade value?

[Ruzious]

Thoughts on Andrew Nicholson? Maybe he can be had in a bigger 3 way trade. Maybe a team desires a shooter and would take Neal.

15-9 per 36 with a TS of 54% isn't abominable. Dude actually has some athletic ability to, which is desperately needed. I don't think he is "better" then Jared, but I think he be a better long term fit. Also has an 8'11 standing reach so he wouldn't be terribly outsized at the 4 against traditional 4s.

He's a guy I'd like to get real cheap in free agency this offseason. Orlando barely plays him, so I doubt he costs much - if any - more than the minimum. He doesn't look like he'll be much of a defender, but he's got scoring skills, and he has 3 point range. He can be a good cheap backup stretch 4.

He can be cheap, but what would make anyone think he can be good? He's 26, he's never established himself in the league at all. He only had one good college season for that matter. This year he's shooting the 3 pretty well, but that's it. He doesn't defend, he doesn't rebound, he doesn't get any assists (i.e. doesn't see the court), doesn't get to the line, he turns it over too much. He looks like dead weight to me.

For the reasons I already stated. I watched him play several games in the NCAA tournament, and I like his skills set. And he has played reasonably well this season for a player who is - as I said - will likely play for the MINIMUM next season. News flash - you're usually not going to get a starter for the league minimum. And we have how many players signed for next season?

[gravytrain24]

Saw this site, don't know if its been posted but i like all of those potentials move mentions.

http://wizofawes.com/2016/01/24/washington-wizards-5-realistic-trade-targets-nba-trade-deadline/

[nate33]

Saw this site, don't know if its been posted but i like all of those potentials move mentions.

http://wizofawes.com/2016/01/24/washington-wizards-5-realistic-trade-targets-nba-trade-deadline/

I only like about half of them. The TLDR version is that we should trade filler and maybe future 2nd rounders for any of the following players:

Markieff Morris
Brandon Bass
Kevin Martin
P.J. Tucker
Ryan Anderson

*Morris makes some sense as a reclamation project because he won't cost anything and his contract is just small enough to leave room for Durant.

*Bass makes sense if we can acquire him for expiring filler. It might cost a 2nd rounder, which is probably too much IMO.

*Kevin Martin makes no sense whatsoever. Why would we give up assets and our precious 2016 cap room for yet another wing? This only makes sense if we're trading Beal.

*P.J. Tucker makes no sense for the same reason as Martin.

*Ryan Anderson is going to cost a 1st round pick. And I'm not giving up a 1st round pick for a guy who will be an unrestricted free agent this summer at a time when 25 or so other teams will have the cap room to take him from us. And retaining him scuttles any KD2DC hopes.

[nate33]

Well here is the thing, There are deals out there that make this team better now, and later. The 8th seed is not terrible this year. The cavs are not unbeatable. Kevin love if flawed ON that team, Kyrie is overrated, and LeBron is showing his age. If we do something Drastic like turn beal and a future first in two some good young starters and role players, we can make a run. I still think our best bet is teaming up with Philly, giving them Beal and they send one of their bigs to another team, We get Covington, and some good players form the other team. Denver, Orlando, The kings, The clippers, Nets, Jazz, and team like that would be good for this kind of three way trade.

If "there are deals out there that make this team better now and later" -- sure, lets do as many of those as possible! Of course! But... I'm still waiting to hear about one of those. Robert Covington, for example, is a 25 year old small forward. He's a nice player, an ok player, but I can't see him as someone to target.

Moreover, if we send out Beal, we are left with Garrett Temple and Gary Neal as our 2s. That's not a way to "make this team better now" (depending on who else we got back obviously...).

This off-season Nene goes away, and I sure hope we see the back of Gooden and Humphries. At which point we wouldn't have a single 4 on our roster -- not even one! If we were to send Beal to Philly, I'd want Noel back. Nate thinks his future is as a back up Center, but I see a 21 year old who is putting up excellent numbers already: looks like a starter to me, and maybe a really good one.

Still, Nate may be right -- we'll find out over time. And, Beal is another guy whose future is uncertain, so maybe that makes the trade appropriate. I'd certainly roll with that deal, especially if we got another young player. E.g. T.J. McConnell (but would they do that?), Richaun Holmes, or even Christian Wood.

Actually... Beal for Noel plus whatever would indeed make us better now. But I wonder what Beal's injury and his injury *history* have done to his trade value?

Just to clarify, I think Noel is a backup center as long as we still have Gortat on the squad. Playing Noel at PF isn't going to work.

I'm not opposed to a Beal for Noel trade though. It may be a little redundant to have Noel and Gortat together, but Gortat won't be around forever. Eventually, we can trade him or just wait 3 years before handing over starting center duties to Noel.

[dckingsfan]

Feb. 18, so 21 days until the trade deadline passes. We are now down to a 30% chance of making the playoffs according to http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-nba-picks/

Shut down Wall, let him get his knee right. Time to bundle any of Beal, Anderson, Humphries, Nene, Dudley and Gooden for anything meaningful.

Hopefully we will have Sessions and Satoransky next year. We have a first round pick.

[dckingsfan]

Saw this site, don't know if its been posted but i like all of those potentials move mentions.

http://wizofawes.com/2016/01/24/washington-wizards-5-realistic-trade-targets-nba-trade-deadline/

Too late - we are done. We should be selling to potential playoff teams.

[nate33]

You could be the Washington Wizards (16-19), who league sources say are hoping to put together a rare 10-12 game stretch at or close to full health before deciding whether they're going to be sellers in the trade market with the deadline approaching Feb. 18.

He apparently said this back on January 11th and I missed it. Very interesting. I would assume that the pieces we would shop would include Dudley, Humphries, Blair, and Neal. Of that group, only Dudley has any real value. I suppose we could also trade Sessions or Temple, but that would leave us with very little depth in the backcourt.

[nate33]

Saw this site, don't know if its been posted but i like all of those potentials move mentions.

http://wizofawes.com/2016/01/24/washington-wizards-5-realistic-trade-targets-nba-trade-deadline/

Too late - we are done. We should be selling to potential playoff teams.

I don't think it's too late yet. I seriously doubt EG will pull the trigger on anything right now. But in another 2 weeks, we'll probably know for sure.

[dckingsfan]

Saw this site, don't know if its been posted but i like all of those potentials move mentions.

http://wizofawes.com/2016/01/24/washington-wizards-5-realistic-trade-targets-nba-trade-deadline/

Too late - we are done. We should be selling to potential playoff teams.

I don't think it's too late yet. I seriously doubt EG will pull the trigger on anything right now. But in another 2 weeks, we'll probably know for sure.

Fat lady is starting to sing... start shopping them now

[lastemp3ror]

Feb. 18, so 21 days until the trade deadline passes. We are now down to a 30% chance of making the playoffs according to http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-nba-picks/

Shut down Wall, let him get his knee right. Time to bundle any of Beal, Anderson, Humphries, Nene, Dudley and Gooden for anything meaningful.

Hopefully we will have Sessions and Satoransky next year. We have a first round pick.

Speaking of players available for next year. What about Aaron White? I hear he is doing pretty well overseas. Is he going to be available to come back to us?

[dckingsfan]

You could be the Washington Wizards (16-19), who league sources say are hoping to put together a rare 10-12 game stretch at or close to full health before deciding whether they're going to be sellers in the trade market with the deadline approaching Feb. 18.

He apparently said this back on January 11th and I missed it. Very interesting. I would assume that the pieces we would shop would include Dudley, Humphries, Blair, and Neal. Of that group, only Dudley has any real value. I suppose we could also trade Sessions or Temple, but that would leave us with very little depth in the backcourt.

Beal, Temple, Anderson, Dudley, Humphries, Gooden and Nene.

Just want expiring and picks back...

[dckingsfan]

Feb. 18, so 21 days until the trade deadline passes. We are now down to a 30% chance of making the playoffs according to http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-nba-picks/

Shut down Wall, let him get his knee right. Time to bundle any of Beal, Anderson, Humphries, Nene, Dudley and Gooden for anything meaningful.

Hopefully we will have Sessions and Satoransky next year. We have a first round pick.

Speaking of players available for next year. What about Aaron White? I hear he is doing pretty well overseas. Is he going to be available to come back to us?

He is doing well - but he needs to move up leagues first. Guessing he will move to a better league and then we will know more. Next year, not so much would be my guess.

[gINtar]

Toronto Raptors Trade Rumors: Team Aquiring Wizards' Nene And Gortat For Jonas Valanciunas?


http://www.youthhealthmag.com/articles/35112/20160128/toronto-raptors-trade-rumors.htm

[queridiculo]

Deal.

[nate33]

Toronto Raptors Trade Rumors: Team Aquiring Wizards' Nene And Gortat For Jonas Valanciunas?


http://www.youthhealthmag.com/articles/35112/20160128/toronto-raptors-trade-rumors.htm

That's pretty unlikely. First of all, Gortat and Nene make a combined $25M. Valanciunas makes only $14M, so filler would have to be included, probably Patrick Patterson.

Secondly, I really don't see the Wizards banking on Valanciunas as their starting center. Gortat is a much better defender, and offensively, his pick-and-roll game meshes much better with Wall than Valanciunas' low post game. Age may be a factor, but not much of one. Neither guy really projects to decline within the duration of their respective contracts.

If Gortat is disgruntled in Washington, I think the issue is mostly with Wittman, not with Wall. That can be remedied pretty easily as Wittman's contract expires this summer. I seriously doubt Wittman will be here next year unless the Wizards make a massive turnaround over the 2nd half of the season.

[nate33]

Deal.

Nah. Gortat is better than Valanciunas. Cheaper too. And he fits better with Wall.

[queridiculo]

Deal.

Nah. Gortat is better than Valanciunas. Cheaper too. And he fits better with Wall.

Valanciunas will turn 24 in May, Gortat will be 32 next month. I'd make that deal all day long.

[nate33]

Deal.

Nah. Gortat is better than Valanciunas. Cheaper too. And he fits better with Wall.

Valanciunas will turn 24 in May, Gortat will be 32 next month. I'd make that deal all day long.

I don't see Gortat declining in the next 3 years of his contract. He takes too good care of himself. Indeed, I suspect he'll play more minutes than Valanciunas over the next 3 years. He has played way more in each of the past 3 seasons.

So with health not really an issue, the only age-related advantage of Valanciunas is the assumption that he'll improve going forward. I suppose that's possible, but I don't think guys with 6000 minutes already under their belt really improve all that much. The problem with JV is that he's not a good rim protector, and he's mostly only a post-up guy on offense. He's a bad fit with Wall because post-up guys need PG's who can shoot well to help provide spacing. Wall, being a poor shooter, is much better off running the high pick and roll. Gortat is a MUCH better pick and roll player.

[deneem4]

Were going on a run we're not out of playoff contention...
I honestly would move any player not over 25 for a young quality big...(yes keep beal) he can help luring kd, he shows he steps up in the playoffs...and they're aren't many other young teams that are playoff tested... (knicks,wiz,thunder,peclians?,blazers?,rockets?)