Woj: Nets trade Bogdanovic to Wizards

[Illmatic12]

Yet we currently have a top 3 team in the conference, and top 10 team in the league - with an elite trio of talented players under 26yo.

DCZards is right, you don't know what approach the front office is going to take moving forward.. we certainly have a chance for unprecedented success with group.

We do know though. We have 14 years of track record.

He deserves no credit for the top 3 players. Most of us on this board were projecting those 3 at the time of those drafts.

People were projecting Porter to be the pick because of the Georgetown connection with Ted. Many people wanted/hoped for Nerlens Noel.

And at least 50% of this board was bashing the FO for not trading Beal, and then subsequently maxing him. The Gortat and Morris trades were panned as bad moves. The Gortat 5yr extension was panned. I could go on .. bottomline, I don't see how roping stuff in from the post MJ/Arenas era 10-15 years ago has any bearing on the recent moves that have been made in the Wall/Beal/Porter era, and the decisions that will be made moving forward.

[Illmatic12]

We heard that same argument about the Zards not being able to resign Gortat. Last time I looked he's still on the team.

Weren't close to the luxury tax line in 2014.

We ought to just enjoy the fact that Bojan is a Wizard and helping our team win games...and worry about his future as a Zard when the time comes. None of us knows for sure what will happen in the future.

The peanut gallery went from "Bojan is a bad/net negative player and won't help us, because of my advanced stats that say ____" to "Bojan is too good, he's going to get paid and we can't retain him"

[Illuminaire]

Actually, the 'peanut gallery' was completely consistent. The logic is simple - either he's a one dimensional gunner and not worth the cost (4 salary controlled years of a potentially superior rookie), or he's better than that and the team can't keep him... so he's still not worth the cost.

There isn't very much grey to find between those points of logic. It was a bandaid move, not one that brings long-term sustainable success. You know, just like almost every other move Ernie has made.

[NatP4]

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[NatP4]

Actually, the 'peanut gallery' was completely consistent. The logic is simple - either he's a one dimensional gunner and not worth the cost (4 salary controlled years of a potentially superior rookie), or he's better than that and the team can't keep him... so he's still not worth the cost.

There isn't very much grey to find between those points of logic. It was a bandaid move, not one that brings long-term sustainable success. You know, just like almost every other move Ernie has made.

So what happens when we find out that Ernie got the green light to trade for Bojan because Ted told him they would pay the luxury tax.

I mean the report did say that they wanted a controllable contract, with the plan to resign him.

[Illmatic12]

Actually, the 'peanut gallery' was completely consistent. The logic is simple - either he's a one dimensional gunner and not worth the cost (4 salary controlled years of a potentially superior rookie), or he's better than that and the team can't keep him... so he's still not worth the cost.

There isn't very much grey to find between those points of logic. It was a bandaid move, not one that brings long-term sustainable success. You know, just like almost every other move Ernie has made.

What are your thoughts on report from J Michael that the FO intends to keep Bojan? If Wash ends up retaining Bogdanovic in FA, will you walk back your statements?

[Kanyewest]

Yet we currently have a top 3 team in the conference, and top 10 team in the league - with an elite trio of talented players under 26yo.

DCZards is right, you don't know what approach the front office is going to take moving forward.. we certainly have a chance for unprecedented success with group.

We do know though. We have 14 years of track record.

He deserves no credit for the top 3 players. Most of us on this board were projecting those 3 at the time of those drafts.

People were projecting Porter to be the pick because of the Georgetown connection with Ted. Many people wanted/hoped for Nerlens Noel.

And at least 50% of this board was bashing the FO for not trading Beal, and then subsequently maxing him. The Gortat and Morris trades were panned as bad moves. The Gortat 5yr extension was panned. I could go on .. bottomline, I don't see how roping stuff in from the post MJ/Arenas era 10-15 years ago has any bearing on the recent moves that have been made in the Wall/Beal/Porter era, and the decisions that will be made moving forward.

Only correction I would add is that most people on the board didn't think Noel was going to be available at #3 although many sources had leaked their red flags about Noel including injury concerns, lack of weight, and attitude. Most people were stunned that the Cavs took Bennett at number 1.

[queridiculo]

The parameters for calling this a successful trade haven't changed.

- provide solid production
- resign
- don't lose Porter

If any of those aren't met it's pretty much a terrible deal.

[Donkey McDonkerton]

The parameters for calling this a successful trade haven't changed.

- provide solid production
- resign
- don't lose Porter

If any of those aren't met it's pretty much a terrible deal.

Not true, AT ALL. You need to see past this, and see the big picture.

- Championship = Super duper successful trade.

He'll lead us there as the #1 option in the playoffs. Get on the BoTrain!

[pepe1991]

The parameters for calling this a successful trade haven't changed.

- provide solid production
- resign
- don't lose Porter

If any of those aren't met it's pretty much a terrible deal.

I love how you pretend that Wizards traded top 5 pick

Most of late first rounders are nba nobodies. Go through 2005- 2015 and count how many players are even useful rotation players, let alone some standout stars.

This team can't even find mins for border line lottery pick in Oubre let alone somebody who will probably be long term prospect, or 22-23 years old older rookie with limited potential.

[DCZards]

The parameters for calling this a successful trade haven't changed.

- provide solid production
- resign
- don't lose Porter

If any of those aren't met it's pretty much a terrible deal.

If those parameters are met it doesn't become a "successful" trade...it becomes a great trade.

The Zards would have gotten one of the best shooters in the game at 27yo and in the prime of his career and they would have unloaded Nicholson's costly contract. And then there's Chris McCullough, who has a chance of being as good as anyone that the Zards might have drafted with a pick in the mid-20s.

[DCZards]

So what happens when we find out that Ernie got the green light to trade for Bojan because Ted told him they would pay the luxury tax.

I mean the report did say that they wanted a controllable contract, with the plan to resign him.

The Verizon Ctr. has been on fire lately, with great attendance and crowd enthusiasm the best that I've seen it in for any regular season games...and I've been a full or partial season ticket holder for almost 20 years.

Ted sees what I see and he knows that increased attendance means more money, more money, more money. So, yes, I think he might be willing to pay the luxury tax for keep this act together.

[payitforward]

Lol you mean like 15 and 16 point game with a 50% shooting night 2 games in a row before this one, with a good defensive showing, or in the flow offense and ball distribution, but I guess those are just average numbers right? He really is a very bad player as you said. Just aweful. He should be sent to the D league! right? lmao

Not the D League, Bob -- the Hall of Fame. Really, he is 100% on FTs. You know anyone like that? He's shooting 50% on threes -- obviously better than Porter, which is great since we can't afford to max them both -- so max Bogdanovic, the better player. Those numbers from his previous 5880 minutes are fake news, Bob -- isn't it obvious?

Well pretty much thats true lol fake news You finally hit the nail on the head there pay remeber Wiz are a good team Nets baaaaddd team. Players play better (if good) on an good team. Makes sense no? like GSW ball movement make s easy shots and efficiency goes up, ask KD lol. That much so for Bogie. Well thing is you agree on all my points since you didnt actually say anything to contradict them lol. So glad we agree

Well I certainly agree w/ the bolded words: you are right that "players play better (if good) on good team... no." That is, no they don't. Better players make a better team -- ever choose up sides on the playground? Choose the best players you can, do you? Course you do!

What better example than kevin durant? When he left the Thunder, the team got worse. Why? One of their best players was no longer on the team. Note that team got worse, but Russell Westbrook didn't get worse. Steven Adams didn't get worse. Etc. Does that mean that there can never ever be a marginal effect in context that makes it easier for one or another player to be a little better in that context? No, of course not.

Since Bojan is mostly playing with the bench, I fear "better team" is too general a team. Here's what's happening: Bojan is hitting everything he throws up! It's great. It's awesome. He has won us two games pretty much on his own. You think he's going to continue going 6-7 on three-pointers? If so, then from your mouth to God's ears! May it be true! In which case, we are going to shock the world! We're never going to lose again!

Go Bojan! HoF!!

[Rafael122]

So what happens when we find out that Ernie got the green light to trade for Bojan because Ted told him they would pay the luxury tax.

I mean the report did say that they wanted a controllable contract, with the plan to resign him.

The Verizon Ctr. has been on fire lately, with great attendance and crowd enthusiasm the best that I've seen it in for any regular season games...and I've been a full or partial season ticket holder for almost 20 years.

Ted sees what I see and he knows that increased attendance means more money, more money, more money. So, yes, I think he might be willing to pay the luxury tax for keep this act together.

Ernie is probably bathing in benjamins right now. Caps are a legit Stanley Cup contender, they're selling out every home game and the Wiz seem to be turning a corner.

[payitforward]

Bogie going to get PAID

And it's not going to be in DC.

We wasted a 1st round pick for 25 games plus postseason of Bojan.

Ernie Grunfeld sucks again.

23-26 range pick that most of the time gives you bench warmer that ends up in China after third, sometimes even after second season. btw Nicholson was 19# pick, what a value

Good thing you have no idea what you're talking about pepe and have never yet posted anything worth reading. Otherwise I might regret putting you on Ignore. Bye bye....

[payitforward]

It's like I've been saying -- Bogdanovic to the HoF!!

27 points on 12 shots -- again!

Yup...an outstanding game from our designated hitter...I mean scorer. Damn role player.

That's right, Zards -- preach it brother!!

Do you think he'll shoot like this every time I explain stuff about him? If so, would you like me to explain further??

[payitforward]

Bogie going to get PAID

And it's not going to be in DC.

We wasted a 1st round pick for 25 games plus postseason of Bojan.

Ernie Grunfeld sucks again.

We heard that same argument about the Zards not being able to resign Gortat. Last time I looked he's still on the team.

Actually, in that case, no. We didn't hear anything like that at all. What we heard here was a bunch of people saying he wasn't worth $12m (me not included).

Of course we can re-sign Bojan. It's just that to do it we'd have to not retain Otto Porter. Unless you can come up w/ another scenario. We have @$90m guaranteed to 8 guys not including Otto.

Keep in mind that the trade deadline has passed, so we won't be dealing Mahinmi any time soon. The better Bojan is the better the offers he'll receive. Good for him. You want to let Otto Porter walk? Nah, i didn't think so.... Bojan won't be with us next year.

[Illuminaire]

What are your thoughts on report from J Michael that the FO intends to keep Bojan? If Wash ends up retaining Bogdanovic in FA, will you walk back your statements?

That does make things better. Still not what I would call good, but certainly better. Bogs hasn't show much of a complete game through his entire multi-year NBA career. I never think it's a good idea to sacrifice assets for one dimensional bench players - though it can be a necessary evil when there are no other options.

It's a fool's game to continuously give up value for bench production. The best franchises create value by drafting well and developing those bench players, then bringing in ultra-cheap veterans to shore up any remaining weaknesses.

[payitforward]

We ought to just enjoy the fact that Bojan is a Wizard and helping our team win games...and worry about his future as a Zard when the time comes. None of us knows for sure what will happen in the future.

Zards, the older I get I'm not even sure what happened in the past!

I agree about Bojan. Lets enjoy the fact that he's playing so amazingly great. Lets have fun before he reverts to the mean. & if he doesn't -- hey, all the better!

[Kanyewest]

Some underrated aspects of Bogdanovic's performance against the Magic include him grabbing an offensive rebound with around a minute remaining in the game. He also played pretty good defense on Gordon on the last play of the game.