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Re: Rui Hachimura 

Post#661 » by payitforward » Mon Oct 7, 2019 5:21 pm

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I_Like_Dirt wrote:That's sort of the thing. I like Clarke a lot and any team should be frustrated if they passed on him unless they drafted someone else with a comparable talent level. I actually think the Wizards are one of the few teams that did just that. Rui is really good. He's a guy where I'm not sure what else he could have done to prove to people that he's actually good beyond stealing rebounds from his teammate. Heck, if we're talking about 6'8" PFs, Rui himself is probably going to be a 6'8" PF when it's all said and done.

Clarke has a wingspan of 6'8. Rui has a wingspan of 7'2. Regardless, it gets very tiring talking about Brandon Clarke. I'm sure Memphis fans would love to have you on their board to talk about him.

I'm not tired of talking about Clarke. Not tired of talking about anything, actually. I'm a Wizards fan, but I'm also an NBA fan. Above all, I'm a basketball fan.

Not to mention that I_Like_Dirt didn't talk about Clarke -- he talked about Rui. I've bolded it so you can notice it this time through.

All the same, you are right that we should use this thread to talk about Rui Hachimura not Clarke. So... lets drop the subject right here!
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Re: Rui Hachimura 

Post#662 » by doclinkin » Mon Oct 7, 2019 5:40 pm

payitforward wrote:Doc is right. Tyrus Thomas is another example. I forgot him -- thanks, Doc. Plus, I thought of another one as well: Shelden Williams. Extremely good college numbers, drafted high, ineffective in the NBA.

But, TT -- at whom Doc had pointed on a previous occasion -- is a better comparison with Clarke, because he was such an incredible athlete. Thomas had a freshman year for the ages. As good as Beasley -- maybe even a little better. He came out after his Freshman year & could not make it in the league. All the more interesting is that unlike Beasley, Tyrus Thomas doesn't seem to have the kinds of personal/maturity issues that were such a factor in Beasley's case. He's a guy with a head on his shoulders. Google for recent news on him, & it's all positive.
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I reference Ty Thomas because he was a similarly undersized over the rim athletic rebounding and shotblocking aerial forward. We have plenty of examples of undersized short long armed ground bound rebounders who do succeed (MIllsapp, Draymond) but so far I haven't seen the slim high flying bouncy types have success in the league. Even undersized powerhouse ath-Elites like Ken Fareid etc seem to bounce around, so to speak. Occasionally you get a Gerald Crash Wallace making a dent for a few years, but unless they develop an outside shot these players have a hard time finding minutes or a role.

This may have changed in a small ball switch everything era. It's possible that Ty Thomas would have been fine as a small ball center/free safety mistake eraser, and if I drafted Clarke I'd damn sure find a use for him in that way especially here on this team, I can draw up configurations on offense and D that work well, at least in the video game of my own imagination).

But so far the slim bouncy prototype doesn't yet have a successful precedent setting role model that I can think of. Which makes me leery. Even if it is simply that coaches are conservative and lack imagination to use them properly, still, their prejudices may make that a self fulfilling prophecy. They don't see the role for him because no one has done it before, therefore they don't play unusual lines etc.

I may be wrong but, who has been the successful slim acrobatic guy who proved a long term starter on a winning team, or all star anywhere? Crash Wallace I guess? Though he seemed more 'built' than Clarke. Dunno.
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Post#663 » by payitforward » Mon Oct 7, 2019 5:54 pm

Doc, we're going to drive prime1time crazy if we spend any more time talking about non-Rui subjects in the Rui thread, & he has a point after all, so I'm reluctant to respond.

It's just great that the ball is rolling, we've got a game tonight & a chance to see how all these newly-assembled guys compete. Exciting!
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Re: Rui Hachimura 

Post#664 » by nate33 » Mon Oct 7, 2019 5:57 pm

doclinkin wrote:I may be wrong but, who has been the successful slim acrobatic guy who proved a long term starter on a winning team, or all star anywhere? Crash Wallace I guess? Though he seemed more 'built' than Clarke. Dunno.


Here's a screen of all the guys measured at the combine since 2000 with heights between 6-6 and 6-10 (in shoes) wingspans between 6-6 and 6-10, and weight less than 220.

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It's not an encouraging list for Clarke's NBA prospects. Most of the guys on the list were true wing players with shooting and ball handling ability of wings. The only guy in the combo forward profile that's similar to Clarke is DeMarre Carroll.

That 209 weight measurement of Clarke is surely not fixed. I imagine he could put quite a bit of weight on his frame. If you broaden the criteria to include weights up to 230, a few other guys are added, but the only significant name (excluding guys with a true wing player's profile) is Marcus Morris.

Heck, Tomas Satoransky weighed 200 pounds when he was measured. He's probably playing at something closer to 210 now. How can Clarke be so light?
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Re: Rui Hachimura 

Post#665 » by prime1time » Mon Oct 7, 2019 6:02 pm

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prime1time wrote:Clarke has a wingspan of 6'8. Rui has a wingspan of 7'2. Regardless, it gets very tiring talking about Brandon Clarke. I'm sure Memphis fans would love to have you on their board to talk about him.


You're right, it does. I hope you recognize that you're complicit in all of this, though. You're the one who keeps finding ways to detract from Clarke in this thread which invariably starts the spiral of people suggesting you're wrong which keeps the topic off of Rui, as you suggest you desire, and you just did it again by throwing out a means of detracting from Clarke and then trying to close the discussion after getting in the last word. You can leave Clarke out of this and ignore it and it will be much less. I'm not sure why you're having difficulty with that concept. There were a couple posts comparing Rui to Clarke, which is normal given that a few people on this board wanted Clarke, they were teammates and both were taken in the 1st round. I suspect the thread would have transitioned back to Rui had you allowed to continue it's natural course of things.




payitforward wrote: Stromile Swift was listed at 6'10" .


...in college... And then he was listed at 6'9" in the NBA... He wasn't that big.



prime1time wrote:Rui's career will be defined by a simple question, can he score and score effectively. If the answer is no, his career will be a disappointment.


I disagree. That's part of it, but Lou Williams is still seen as a guy who plays the same role regardless of whether or not he scores with middling efficiency or good efficiency, for example. Part of it is efficient scoring, but I'm reasonably confident Rui is going to have that in the end. What separates Rui from being just a scorer is his potential to do a bunch of other stuff, too.

Do you read the entire thread or just one post? I've contributed easily the most about Rui in this thread. Including analysis along with youtube videos, I can quote them if you like. Other posters insist on bringing up Brandon Clarke, saying the Wizards made a bad decision, we should have traded down and that drafting him was a mistake.

As for your other point, I'm more than glad to discuss this. Lou Williams has a career PER of 18.5. His last two seasons he has had a per of 20.2 and 21.2. The PER of 21.2 is higher than any per Bradley Beal has ever posted. And Beal has a career PER of 18.5. In other words, Lou Williams is an efficient scorer. So my point remains. There are simply not enough other positives about Rui's game to warrant him being a core member of this team if he can't contribute efficient scoring at volume. To put it another way, if Rui's going to be a role player, we are better off getting a role player who is more rounded - i.e. a good defender, rebounder etc - than sticking with him. He has been a scorer all his life. From high school, throughout college, and on the Japanese National team.

Could we turn him into a role player? Perhaps. But it would be easier to just find a player who does that stuff naturally. This why Rui was such an enigma coming out of college. People who are high on his scoring ability translating to the NBA see a player who has the potential to score on every level of the defense. For people who don't see it translating, they struggle to see how he even breaks the rotation. One draft site I like - The Stepien - projected Rui as a fringe rotational player for this very reason. They see him as a fringe rotational player who would struggle to adapt his mid-range scoring game to the NBA. No scoring => Fringe rotational player for Hachimura. But for people who believe he can and will score, the projection is much different. In that analysis, you are willing to live with other deficiencies because finding players who can efficiently score at volume is so rare.
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Re: Rui Hachimura 

Post#666 » by prime1time » Mon Oct 7, 2019 6:08 pm

payitforward wrote:Doc, we're going to drive prime1time crazy if we spend any more time talking about non-Rui subjects in the Rui thread, & he has a point after all, so I'm reluctant to respond.

It's just great that the ball is rolling, we've got a game tonight & a chance to see how all these newly-assembled guys compete. Exciting!

Haha, I don't mind talking about him if Rui is some how tied to the conversation. I don't even think he's a bad player. I'm pretty sure in the draft thread I wrote, if he ends up on the right team and improves his three-point shooting, he'll be a very good player. I'm not sure who posted it, but the article from The Stepien on anomaly esque players like Brandon Clarke, heavily influenced my own analysis of Rui.

In addition, because I'm watching tape of Rui and they both happen to play on the same team, I've invariably found myself watching a lot of tape on Brandon Clarke. With that being said, I think we are just restless from a lack of basketball. ONly so much analyzing and prognosticating can be done. Now it's time to see what these guys can actually do. I'm happy the season is back.

P.S. - I just ordered my NBA league pass and Memphis will be one of the teams I will look forward to watching. I look forward to discussing Clarke as the season progresses in the around the NBA thread.
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Post#667 » by Ruzious » Mon Oct 7, 2019 6:19 pm

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doclinkin wrote:I may be wrong but, who has been the successful slim acrobatic guy who proved a long term starter on a winning team, or all star anywhere? Crash Wallace I guess? Though he seemed more 'built' than Clarke. Dunno.


Here's a screen of all the guys measured at the combine since 2000 with heights between 6-6 and 6-10 (in shoes) wingspans between 6-6 and 6-10, and weight less than 220.

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It's not an encouraging list for Clarke's NBA prospects. Most of the guys on the list were true wing players with shooting and ball handling ability of wings. The only guy in the combo forward profile that's similar to Clarke is DeMarre Carroll.

That 209 weight measurement of Clarke is surely not fixed. I imagine he could put quite a bit of weight on his frame. If you broaden the criteria to include weights up to 230, a few other guys are added, but the only significant name (excluding guys with a true wing player's profile) is Marcus Morris.

Heck, Tomas Satoransky weighed 200 pounds when he was measured. He's probably playing at something closer to 210 now. How can Clarke be so light?

I was even more surprised by his lack of length. His wingspan is 3/4 of an inch shorter than Klay Thompson's - nearly 6 inches shorter than Kelly Oubre's. Granted he does have excellent leaping ability, but we knew that.
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Post#668 » by I_Like_Dirt » Mon Oct 7, 2019 6:28 pm

prime1time wrote:Do you read the entire thread or just one post? I've contributed easily the most about Rui in this thread. Including analysis along with youtube videos, I can quote them if you like. Other posters insist on bringing up Brandon Clarke, saying the Wizards made a bad decision, we should have traded down and that drafting him was a mistake.


I've read the entire thread. You went from discussing Rui and bringing a bunch of valuable viewpoints to doing a U-turn and suddenly getting way off track because of Brandon Clarke. Ignore it. It makes the thread better when you do. I don't actually think it was a mistake, but I don't begrudge people that do. Trying to keep draft discussion in a draft thread after the draft is a fool's errand.




As for your other point, I'm more than glad to discuss this. Lou Williams has a career PER of 18.5. His last two seasons he has had a per of 20.2 and 21.2. The PER of 21.2 is higher than any per Bradley Beal has ever posted. And Beal has a career PER of 18.5. In other words, Lou Williams is an efficient scorer. So my point remains. There are simply not enough other positives about Rui's game to warrant him being a core member of this team if he can't contribute efficient scoring at volume. To put it another way, if Rui's going to be a role player, we are better off getting a role player who is more rounded - i.e. a good defender, rebounder etc - than sticking with him. He has been a scorer all his life. From high school, throughout college, and on the Japanese National team.

Could we turn him into a role player? Perhaps. But it would be easier to just find a player who does that stuff naturally. This why Rui was such an enigma coming out of college. People who are high on his scoring ability translating to the NBA see a player who has the potential to score on every level of the defense. For people who don't see it translating, they struggle to see how he even breaks the rotation. One draft site I like - The Stepien - projected Rui as a fringe rotational player for this very reason. They see him as a fringe rotational player who would struggle to adapt his mid-range scoring game to the NBA. No scoring => Fringe rotational player for Hachimura. But for people who believe he can and will score, the projection is much different. In that analysis, you are willing to live with other deficiencies because finding players who can efficiently score at volume is so rare



As for Lou, I brought him up because he's so different from Rui, honestly. Lou's PER is tied inextricably to his usage. So is Beal's, honestly. Beal's usage has been lower than Lou's for a bit now because he's sharing with Wall. Beal also defends better and plays better off the ball than Lou. The off-ball wing tends to have lower PERs in general. The role is very different and yet highly valued in the NBA. I actually think Rui is going to be on-ball a bit more than most rookies but Beal will still come first. Beal and Lou have the exact same career TS%. Despite PER, Beal has quite a bit more to his game than Lou which is why he gets more minutes and a bigger role.

And yes, there is a lot more to Rui's game than just scoring. It really depends on what you mean by an efficient scorer, though. If by efficient you mean Demar Derozan, I'm not worried in the least. And Derozan is a pretty good player. I think Rui can be better. Rui is going to be a hinge player one way or the other. How efficient he is and what other parts of the game he brings are both factors in the kind and quality of hinge player he is in the long run.
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Post#669 » by oldshoolballer » Tue Oct 8, 2019 4:00 am

Watching Rui last night one thing kind of stood out it looks easy for him.He just naturally fits in almost effortless.I think he can easily score 20 a game right out the gate on 50% shooting.I like they let him bring up the ball some that's the next phase of his development,being a better playmaker.
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Post#670 » by youngWizzy » Tue Oct 8, 2019 4:51 am

How consistently he hits the three will be important for him to stay in the league and be a good player. I'll have to wait around 30 regular season games to see how he shoots it before making any judgement about him. However, he has looked good so far that I have seen.
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oldshoolballer wrote:Watching Rui last night one thing kind of stood out it looks easy for him.He just naturally fits in almost effortless.I think he can easily score 20 a game right out the gate on 50% shooting.I like they let him bring up the ball some that's the next phase of his development,being a better playmaker.

I said that and people started calling me out. But the reality is that he's our second best scorer right now behind Beal and it isn't really close. Let's break down the game today.

His first shot at 23 seconds tells you everything you need to know off the bat. Starts a little right of center at the three point line. This seam to be a play for Brad but the timing was off. So what does Rui do? He does what he's always done. Dribbles to the middle of the 3-point line, goes between his legs and his now squared up against Randle. Freeze the video at 26 seconds. Already Randle is out of good defensive position. Rui has the ball in his left hand and Randle wants to push him to his right. Hesitation dribble at 27 seconds, Randle jumps back anticipating a drive. Instead Rui steps back and now has a ton of separation to elevate for a jumper that he can make consistently. Now if this was an actual play for Rui, Justin Anderson and his defender wouldn't be right there. But because Rui just decided to create from nothing floor spacing is off. In this situation it doesn't matter. Rui elevates and knocks down the jumper, even with the added pressure from Morris.

Everything you ned to know about Rui's offensive capability is in that paragraph. Ignore Morris and focus only on Randle. The fact that Rui got so much separation is incredible. Know we can say that Randle isn't playing hard defense, but this is the kind of defense Rui's going to see for most of the season. And from the very first play, Rui easily takes the ball, creates separation and knocks down a jumper. This is something that he did in consistently in college time and time again. He's elite at creating separation. Now that's good but you have to have a counter. Because next time, Randle will be looking for the step back jumper.

Let's go to the next play at 42 seconds. Rui grabs the rebound and pushes in transition. Not even talking about the play he actually makes. Let's just talk about how far back Randle is. That is a wide open 3 pull-up 3 if Rui wants it. Randle is playing so far back. And this is something that we've seen Rui make before.

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But back to the play. Rui squares up with Randle at 45 seconds. Randle isn't concerned about the 3-point shot at all so he backs off. At 46 seconds Rui hesi-dribbles. Then he gets by Randle and draws 2 fouls. If Robinson isn't there to help it's likely at least a layup if not an and 1. Again, this is a routine play for Rui. He did it all the time in college.

Next play 55 seconds. Beal - Thomas pick and roll. Rui's defender helps and Rui gets a wide open 3. These are the kind of 3's we talk about with Rui. I know questions still exist for a lot of people. But the question for me is no longer can he make it. The question is how good is he. He made 40%+ in college, he made them in summer league and he made them in FIBA. Rui will continue to get these wide open 3's off of PnR's involving Beal because Beal is simply too lethal coming off screens to not help.

At 1:06 we see the play I called for since the day I first started watching Rui tape. The Beal/Rui PnR. Freeze at 1:10. Rui can pick and pop easily. He can roll to the hoop and finish easily. Or he can even fade to the 3-point line for a 3. If they switch now you have two players that can easily exploit mismatches. The vast majority of large defenders cannot guard Beal one-on-one. But the more efficient matchup might be for Beal to accept the switch and let Rui post up against the guard. It's not a stretch to say that our success this season will hinge on the chemistry that Beal and Rui develop in the PnR game. If I'm an opposing team I like help with either the defender guarding Thomas Bryant or the defender guarding Troy Brown Jr. (when he comes back), assuming Davis Bertans is the other player on the court.

You let the play run and Rui gets a layup. Randle contests, but again for Rui this is second nature. He's done consistently in college so it's not even like we are talking about ways that he needs to expand his game.

Last but not least the play at 1:30. People in this thread have loved to talk about Rui's low basketball iq. Go to 1:33 and look at how Rui rotates upward as Randle looks in to see if he will need to help on Thomas Bryant. This simple movement is what sets up Rui's easy drive. It's easy to look at the play and say Randle was playing bad defense, but it's actually a great play by Rui. He rotates upward and now Randle has a problem. Randle's smart enough to know that Rui's supposedly a bad shooter so he doesn't close out hard. But even then it doesn't make a difference. Rui get's the pass blows by him and finishes at the rim. If I had any criticism of this play it would be that Rui took an extra dribble that he didn't need to.

Everything I've talked about above is stuff that Rui could do before he came into the league. He's already good enough to score in this league. And teams that put average to below average defenders on Rui like Julius Randle are going to have major problems. Not seen in this video is one play where Randle actually plays pretty good defense on Rui. You know what happened? Rui pass the ball out. That's the difference between Rui and Parker or Rui and an inefficient scorer. Either the shot he wants or he gives up the ball. For Rui scoring is about the move he wants to use. Unlike most American players that just decide they want to score and dribble a bunch of times and force some random shot, Rui is decisive. He knows what he's capable of, what he's comfortable with and where he wants to get to on the floor. If he can get there, he'll shoot. If not he'll give it up. That's why he's efficient.

One game this season, Rui's midrange jumper is going to be on and he's going to put the rest of the league on notice. Randle wasn't even playing him for the jumper and he blew by him. So if a defender ever tries to take it away, they are going to have be in for a tough day because Rui can put the ball on the floor. Like I said in a previous post. It's going to be hard to keep this guy locked away. But, and perhaps the most exciting thing, is the potential for Rui's offensive game if he can establish his 3-point shot as a weapon. If you know basketball well, you can probably guess what comes next but if you don't go back to the second youtube video and freeze it at 3:44 and look at Fran Fraschilla's face.
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Post#672 » by nate33 » Tue Oct 8, 2019 12:25 pm

Great breakdown, prime1time! I really get the sense that Rui's game is going to be pretty resistant to the Scouting Report. He is just so versatile you can't take everything away.

It's also worth noting that Rui got all of his stats against legit, veteran, starting caliber players - Randle and Morris, with Mitchell Robinson patrolling the lane behind them. He didn't feast on garbage time D-League competition like RJ Barrett did.
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Post#674 » by Zonkerbl » Tue Oct 8, 2019 12:46 pm

prime1time wrote:
oldshoolballer wrote:Watching Rui last night one thing kind of stood out it looks easy for him.He just naturally fits in almost effortless.I think he can easily score 20 a game right out the gate on 50% shooting.I like they let him bring up the ball some that's the next phase of his development,being a better playmaker.

I said that and people started calling me out. But the reality is that he's our second best scorer right now behind Beal and it isn't really close. Let's break down the game today.

His first shot at 23 seconds tells you everything you need to know off the bat. Starts a little right of center at the three point line. This seam to be a play for Brad but the timing was off. So what does Rui do? He does what he's always done. Dribbles to the middle of the 3-point line, goes between his legs and his now squared up against Randle. Freeze the video at 26 seconds. Already Randle is out of good defensive position. Rui has the ball in his left hand and Randle wants to push him to his right. Hesitation dribble at 27 seconds, Randle jumps back anticipating a drive. Instead Rui steps back and now has a ton of separation to elevate for a jumper that he can make consistently. Now if this was an actual play for Rui, Justin Anderson and his defender wouldn't be right there. But because Rui just decided to create from nothing floor spacing is off. In this situation it doesn't matter. Rui elevates and knocks down the jumper, even with the added pressure from Morris.

Everything you ned to know about Rui's offensive capability is in that paragraph. Ignore Morris and focus only on Randle. The fact that Rui got so much separation is incredible. Know we can say that Randle isn't playing hard defense, but this is the kind of defense Rui's going to see for most of the season. And from the very first play, Rui easily takes the ball, creates separation and knocks down a jumper. This is something that he did in consistently in college time and time again. He's elite at creating separation. Now that's good but you have to have a counter. Because next time, Randle will be looking for the step back jumper.

Let's go to the next play at 42 seconds. Rui grabs the rebound and pushes in transition. Not even talking about the play he actually makes. Let's just talk about how far back Randle is. That is a wide open 3 pull-up 3 if Rui wants it. Randle is playing so far back. And this is something that we've seen Rui make before.

3:36
But back to the play. Rui squares up with Randle at 45 seconds. Randle isn't concerned about the 3-point shot at all so he backs off. At 46 seconds Rui hesi-dribbles. Then he gets by Randle and draws 2 fouls. If Robinson isn't there to help it's likely at least a layup if not an and 1. Again, this is a routine play for Rui. He did it all the time in college.

Next play 55 seconds. Beal - Thomas pick and roll. Rui's defender helps and Rui gets a wide open 3. These are the kind of 3's we talk about with Rui. I know questions still exist for a lot of people. But the question for me is no longer can he make it. The question is how good is he. He made 40%+ in college, he made them in summer league and he made them in FIBA. Rui will continue to get these wide open 3's off of PnR's involving Beal because Beal is simply too lethal coming off screens to not help.

At 1:06 we see the play I called for since the day I first started watching Rui tape. The Beal/Rui PnR. Freeze at 1:10. Rui can pick and pop easily. He can roll to the hoop and finish easily. Or he can even fade to the 3-point line for a 3. If they switch now you have two players that can easily exploit mismatches. The vast majority of large defenders cannot guard Beal one-on-one. But the more efficient matchup might be for Beal to accept the switch and let Rui post up against the guard. It's not a stretch to say that our success this season will hinge on the chemistry that Beal and Rui develop in the PnR game. If I'm an opposing team I like help with either the defender guarding Thomas Bryant or the defender guarding Troy Brown Jr. (when he comes back), assuming Davis Bertans is the other player on the court.

You let the play run and Rui gets a layup. Randle contests, but again for Rui this is second nature. He's done consistently in college so it's not even like we are talking about ways that he needs to expand his game.

Last but not least the play at 1:30. People in this thread have loved to talk about Rui's low basketball iq. Go to 1:33 and look at how Rui rotates upward as Randle looks in to see if he will need to help on Thomas Bryant. This simple movement is what sets up Rui's easy drive. It's easy to look at the play and say Randle was playing bad defense, but it's actually a great play by Rui. He rotates upward and now Randle has a problem. Randle's smart enough to know that Rui's supposedly a bad shooter so he doesn't close out hard. But even then it doesn't make a difference. Rui get's the pass blows by him and finishes at the rim. If I had any criticism of this play it would be that Rui took an extra dribble that he didn't need to.

Everything I've talked about above is stuff that Rui could do before he came into the league. He's already good enough to score in this league. And teams that put average to below average defenders on Rui like Julius Randle are going to have major problems. Not seen in this video is one play where Randle actually plays pretty good defense on Rui. You know what happened? Rui pass the ball out. That's the difference between Rui and Parker or Rui and an inefficient scorer. Either the shot he wants or he gives up the ball. For Rui scoring is about the move he wants to use. Unlike most American players that just decide they want to score and dribble a bunch of times and force some random shot, Rui is decisive. He knows what he's capable of, what he's comfortable with and where he wants to get to on the floor. If he can get there, he'll shoot. If not he'll give it up. That's why he's efficient.

One game this season, Rui's midrange jumper is going to be on and he's going to put the rest of the league on notice. Randle wasn't even playing him for the jumper and he blew by him. So if a defender ever tries to take it away, they are going to have be in for a tough day because Rui can put the ball on the floor. Like I said in a previous post. It's going to be hard to keep this guy locked away. But, and perhaps the most exciting thing, is the potential for Rui's offensive game if he can establish his 3-point shot as a weapon. If you know basketball well, you can probably guess what comes next but if you don't go back to the second youtube video and freeze it at 3:44 and look at Fran Fraschilla's face.


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Post#675 » by Kabookalu » Tue Oct 8, 2019 1:40 pm

Raptors fans here that comes in peace. Loving what I saw from Rui. His game is like a sponge, it'll conform to whatever the team needs from him. Another person watching the game would say he lacked defensively, but I saw a lot of encouraging signs. He was aware off the ball and knew when the help out, just that the timing was off either being too late or too early and it got him stuck in no man's land. But you can work with that.
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Post#676 » by prime1time » Tue Oct 8, 2019 4:48 pm

Kabookalu wrote:Raptors fans here that comes in peace. Loving what I saw from Rui. His game is like a sponge, it'll conform to whatever the team needs from him. Another person watching the game would say he lacked defensively, but I saw a lot of encouraging signs. He was aware off the ball and knew when the help out, just that the timing was off either being too late or too early and it got him stuck in no man's land. But you can work with that.

Defensively there were a couple mistakes in terms of switches but nothing egregious. It is pre-season. From what I saw yesterday, anyone harping on major defensive lapses is just going off of what the scouting report was on him coming out of college. He had multiple possessions where he played great defense against Randle/Morris.
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Post#677 » by nate33 » Tue Oct 8, 2019 6:03 pm

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Kabookalu wrote:Raptors fans here that comes in peace. Loving what I saw from Rui. His game is like a sponge, it'll conform to whatever the team needs from him. Another person watching the game would say he lacked defensively, but I saw a lot of encouraging signs. He was aware off the ball and knew when the help out, just that the timing was off either being too late or too early and it got him stuck in no man's land. But you can work with that.

Defensively there were a couple mistakes in terms of switches but nothing egregious. It is pre-season. From what I saw yesterday, anyone harping on major defensive lapses is just going off of what the scouting report was on him coming out of college. He had multiple possessions where he played great defense against Randle/Morris.

Agreed. He definitely pulled his weight on defense. He wasn't defensive disruptor or anything (few rookies are) but he was okay. And being okay is a heck of a lot better than most rookies.
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Post#678 » by Kabookalu » Tue Oct 8, 2019 6:05 pm

Didn't mean to say he looked bad defensively, and liked what he provided overall, but I know some who are super critical of things like positioning and scream bloody murder at every single instance of helping one pass away. I was fine with it considering he's just a pup getting his feet wet. He has the instincts from what I've seen which is encouraging.




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Post#679 » by Illmatic12 » Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:39 pm

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Post#680 » by payitforward » Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:15 am

Keep it simple: so far it's been a lot of fun to watch Rui.

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